Step right up...

by BossHog on Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:08 am
... and see the unbelievable, logic-defying Washington Redskins!!

As the NFL looks on... and laughs... I'm left wondering what on earth it is about the Washington Redskins that I love so much.

Because it isn't the organization itself.

Frankly, the organization is downright embarrassing right now.

I don't care what anyone thinks about Jim Zorn - it has nothing to do with it. By all accounts he is a very capable coach and someone who was likely destined to move on to bigger and better things eventually anyway. But now? And under a veil of what seems like desperation?

Those of you who think that this was by design are nothing more than apologists for the organization. This whole freak show wasn't by design - it was an evolution of mistakes.

I don't exactly feel sorry for Gregg Williams - he was paid handsomely to put up with the kind of crap that he put up with when he left. But don't take that as a vote of confidence in the organization... I'm merely acknowledging that Gregg got paid very well to come to Washington and sit in the wings and wait.

That doesn't justify the means by which it all came about, or rationalize the complete travesty that has been this Redskins coaching changeover though. Once again, this organization proved implicitly that without a good football mind making decisions, we're a laughing stock.

Yes I said laughing stock.

Over the last few days I have been bombarded with snide comments and jeers as fans of other teams sound off on the state of MY football team. They just point and laugh and trail off into oblivion as they cackle 'Jim Fricking Zorn'?

Now I'm not one to put much stock in what the fan's of other teams say in jest - but none of them are joking. They're not having a go at me, as football enthusiasts, they are truly shocked that an organization like the Redskins could manage to UNDO so quickly what Gibbs restored in his tenure - respect.

R-E-S-P-E-C-T... find out what it means to me.

It isn't crapping on your defensive coordinator as he heads to a new place because you hosed him on a job.

It isn't naming coordinators before you even have a coach.

It isn't telling the fan base that there will be continuity when you're bringing in an entirely new offensive system and named a new defensive coordinator.

And it sure as hell isn't doing ALL of this when you should be topping up your draft wish list, trimming salary cap fat, and finding a way to bring in a free agent or two. How do you conduct a draft with so little structure within? How do you target players for your system when you don't even seem to have a system yet?

The answer to both questions is probably - poorly.

I can only speak for myself when I say - No Mas.

When will Redskin fans learn that an organization whose FIRST concern is MAKING MONEY will never win anything?

When will you learn that LOVING THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS doesn't predicate that you come up with a rationalization for every stupid move ever made by the organization itself?

Learn to separate the two - team and organization.

Your credibility depends on it. You can't arbitrarily 'okay' everything ever done by management just because you love the team, well not if you expect people to take you seriously.

I will always love my Washington Redskins TEAM... but I'm fed up and thoroughly disgusted by the state of the organization itself.

I always thought that Snyder's marketing prowess took a page out of PT Barnum's playbook. And go figure, now I'm looking at a complete circus act.

"I am a showman by profession...and all the gilding shall make nothing else of me." - PT Barnum

All the gilding in the world won't turn Snyder and Cerrato into a viable football General Manager either.

Don't stick your head in the sand as you try to ride out the latest wave of Redskin embarrassment; separate team and organization and place your frustrations where they truly belong - and are so richly deserved - the organization itself.

:twocents:
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by DEHog on Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:24 am
How dare you be negative...we are luckly to have an owner who's willing to spend money. He wants to win more than anything. Business is Business.

Just saying...
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by Fios on Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:59 am
I'd like to go on record as saying I'm also disappointed in Joe Gibbs for parroting much of what Snyder has said. I recognize this is another case of a very well-paid sort-of ex-employee singing his employer's praise but I do not enjoy being treated like a child. I know what continuity means Joe, this ain't it.
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by Chris Luva Luva on Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:09 am
You are not a true fan, Daniel Snyder open his purse for us time and time again to try to please us! He's spending money that should be going into his children's collegiate funds to lure hot and exciting free agents here! Daniel labored for hours to find us a new HC! How could you disrespect the owner of this proud franchise that was rich in winning and tradition about 2 decades ago...
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by Redskin in Canada on Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:24 am
What if the Front office throws away money on players and coaches?

What if the Front Office does not keep its word or contract obligations on to coaches, players and staff?

What if Daniel Snyder just wishes to make money?

What if Zorn was chosen by accident as a result of a long chain of mistakes?

What if the Washington Redskins name does not inspire any RESPECT from fans and foes?

So what? It is burgundy and gold circus and entertainment that I cherish.

Mr. Daniel M. Snyder is the most treasured, respected and competent owner in the NFL because he is the owner of my team!

Mr. Vinny Cerrato is the most knowledgeable executive officer in charge of Football Operations in the NFL because he works for the owner of my team!!

This was a THOROUGH and PROFESSIONAL search because it was conducted by the owner of my team!!

Jim Zorn is just the THIRD coming of Joe Gibbs because he was chosen by the owner for my team!!


Ladies and gents,

Loyalty to this team is so DEEP, so HONEST, and so BLIND that fans are willing to accept and pay handsomely for a NEVER-ENDING cycle of FRAUDULENT marketing ploys and FALSE EXPECTATIONS created as a new cycle is started every time.

I harbour no expectations whatsoever that a good number of fans may resist to take the snake oil again. In fact, they may do so condemning and criticizing as pessimists those of us who do not. The Skins bring out strong passions one way and another among the faithful.

It is just that MOST of the posters that I respect in this Board and other writers have lost with documented reasons all and any confidence in the owner and the top management of this team to build a winner. Any head coach and player who comes here will receive my initial support. And they will have to do a hell of a great job to win because, as opposed to other teams, they do not only have to win against their opponents, they have to overcome the handicap of having one of the worst Front Offices in the NFL.

:httr:
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by Redskin in Canada on Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:36 am
Fios wrote:
I'd like to go on record as saying I'm also disappointed in Joe Gibbs for parroting much of what Snyder has said. I recognize this is another case of a very well-paid sort-of ex-employee singing his employer's praise but I do not enjoy being treated like a child. I know what continuity means Joe, this ain't it.
It KILLS me to agree with you. But I will word it differently. It is not the payment from a former or current employer, it is a sense of loyalty that Joe has always felt towards its employers. BUT ...

When two virtues such as LOYALTY and HONESTY collide, it is the second that must prevail.

Time to step down and join family and NASCAR Joe. Time to RETIRE from this circus for good. Even you Joe must learn to separate between the Owner and his clowns on the one hand, and the coaches and players on the other. Time to step down and avoid any perception of rubber-stamping sheer fraud and lies.
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by REDEEMEDSKIN on Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:45 am
I think the silver lining in this whole ordeal is that once again, THN is ahead of the game.

This is THE place for fans of the "Maroon, Black, and Yellow".

I mean, look at our board colors. Laughing

Let's see ES top THAT!! Not talking
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by DEHog on Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:45 am
Man I feel dirty becuase I'm going to re-up my season tickets...It that wrong??
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by Chris Luva Luva on Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:40 am
Redskin in Canada wrote:
Fios wrote:
I'd like to go on record as saying I'm also disappointed in Joe Gibbs for parroting much of what Snyder has said. I recognize this is another case of a very well-paid sort-of ex-employee singing his employer's praise but I do not enjoy being treated like a child. I know what continuity means Joe, this ain't it.
It KILLS me to agree with you. But I will word it differently. It is not the payment from a former or current employer, it is a sense of loyalty that Joe has always felt towards its employers. BUT ...

When two virtues such as LOYALTY and HONESTY collide, it is the second that must prevail.

Time to step down and join family and NASCAR Joe. Time to RETIRE from this circus for good. Even you Joe must learn to separate between the Owner and his clowns on the one hand, and the coaches and players on the other. Time to step down and avoid any perception of rubber-stamping sheer fraud and lies.


I began to feel uneasy when Joe backed Dan's way of running the front office, I knew then that there was a limit to Daniels growth. His idol, a 3 time Lombardi champion encouraged him and that is the reason we have this current situation.
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by MEZZSKIN on Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:55 pm
this might be the most logical and well thought out thread in Redskin fan universe right now................But if you guys are dismayed now?..lolol
What until you see what DANNY BOY AND and his trusted sidekick VINCENZO have in store for us during the free agency and draft period..lolol---(I laugh to keep from crying)

This thread is going to get alot of wind behind it in the coming weeks /months....This is only the beggining
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by RedskinsFreak on Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:59 pm
Joe's joining the Snyder Chorus was the most disturbing thing. When he welcomed the whole "we'll make the decisions together" way of doing things, it hurt me to the core.

Gibbs 1.0 would have sequestered himself with HIS trusted football people, slammed the door and locked Sny-ratto (or "The Dinny" as Andy Pollin called them) out of the room.

And then checked for listening devices.

In some regards, Gibbs should get two more rings because making the playoffs in spite of this organization is a championship in and of itself.
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by PulpExposure on Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:43 pm
MEZZSKIN wrote:
What until you see what DANNY BOY AND and his trusted sidekick VINCENZO have in store for us during the free agency and draft period..


As Colonel Kurtz once said:

The horror. The horror.
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by Irn-Bru on Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:10 pm
PulpExposure wrote:
As Colonel Kurtz once said:

The horror. The horror.


Not a bad analogy, really. The longer Danny holds the keys to this franchise and the more we get to see of it: the more things get fuzzy, questionable, unprofessional, and downright absurd.

I'm just hoping to survive the next X number of years as a fan (and have every confidence that I will). But I'll probably come out of this feeling as empty as Marlow. Smile
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by NC43Hog on Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:02 pm
Well, I am on my 13 coach and 4th owner, so hang in there Irn-Bru. Nothing lasts forever - and here's to ending years of frustration. Wink
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by langleyparkjoe on Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:42 am
RedskinsFreak wrote:


In some regards, Gibbs should get two more rings because making the playoffs in spite of this organization is a championship in and of itself.


Man ain't that the truth!!!

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