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		<title>One Down&#8230; 6 More &#8216;Skins Who Should Be in the Hall</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keys</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russ Grimm is FINALLY about to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. This is welcome news to all fans of The Hogs.  Redskins fans the world over are thrilled with this announcement.  Russ Grimm was the heart of the Hogs. His nose to nose battles with Hall of Fame DT Randy White [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Russ Grimm is FINALLY about to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.</strong> This is welcome news to all fans of The Hogs.  Redskins fans the world over are thrilled with this announcement.  Russ Grimm was the heart of the Hogs. <span id="more-3578"></span>His nose to nose battles with Hall of Fame DT Randy White are legendary (we have all heard the story of Grimm and Bostic announcing repeatedly to White that the next play was going through him, and then doing just that through much of the game), considering that Grimm won the vast majority of those battles, it is only just that he be a member of this year’s Hall of Fame class. Think about it… Randy White goes in as one of the best Defensive Tackles in history… shouldn’t the one Guard in the league who was consistently able to shut him down also be in?  Shouldn’t he have been in a while ago?</p>
<p>Now, that’s moot.</p>
<p>So, let’s celebrate that there is finally a Hog in the Hall…  <a title="Grimm" href="http://www.thehogs.net/content/index.php?id=1240" target="_blank">Heck, according to George Starke, he is the reason for the name, “The Hogs”… </a>But, there needs to be one more.</p>
<p>The rest of the story is, while Grimm was clearly the heart of what was arguably the greatest offensive line in NFL history, he was but a part of it. The Hogs were comprised of great players…</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffcc00">Joe Jacoby, LT/RT, 1981-1993.</span></p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 360px"><img src="http://www.sportsattic2.com/nflphotos/photos12/Jacoby,Joe3.jpg" alt="" width="350" height="400" /><p class="wp-caption-text">&quot;Jake&quot;, leading the way</p></div>
<p>&#8220;Jake&#8221; is the poster child for the overlooked.  He arrived as a no expectations free agent to Redskins camp… (legend has it that Joe Gibbs thought he was a Defensive Tackle, in as camp fodder) and became one of history’s greatest Left Tackles.  For every year that Russ Grimm went to the Pro Bowl, Joe Jacoby was right next to him.  Big Jake’s absence from the list of HOF candidates is no less baffling than the length of time it took for Monk and Grimm to be elected.</p>
<p>There are a number of other overlooked Redskins… and my concern is that time and distance will continue to dilute memories of their greatness…</p>
<p>This list is in no particular order… their greatness speaks for itself.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffcc00">Len Hauss, Center, 1964-1977</span></p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 508px"><img src="http://www.sportsattic2.com/nflphotos/photos13/Hauss,Len3.jpg" alt="" width="498" height="378" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Lenny Hauss, ready to roll</p></div>
<p>Hauss was the rock upon which Sonny Jurgenson, and later, Billy Kilmer, stood to weave their magic.  He pointed the way for Larry Brown and Charlie Harraway.  Hauss started 192 consecutive games between 1964 and 1977.  He was selected for the Pro Bowl 6 times.  For many years, when you thought “Center” the picture in your head had to have a burgundy jersey with the number 56.  Lenny’s absence from the Hall is a disgrace.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffcc00">Larry Brown, Half Back. 1969-1976.</span></p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 509px"><img src="http://www.sportsattic2.com/nflphotos/photos12/Brown,Larry21.jpg" alt="" width="499" height="316" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Brown, on the move</p></div>
<p>Larry was Washington’s first 1000 yard rusher.  He was the soul of the Redskins offense from 1970 until his retirement.  His tenacious and gritty play was an inspiration to watch.  He was a prolific rusher, a dangerous receiver out of the backfield, and a devastating blocker in pass protection… in fact, that was his forte when drafted by the great Vince Lombardi.  It was Lombardi who discovered Larry’s hearing deficit, resulting in Larry suddenly being able to hear the snap count… and the rest was history.  Larry was selected to the Pro Bowl 4 times, was a 3 time All Pro selection, and was named the NFL MVP in 1972.  When Larry Brown played, he literally left it all on the field.  Why is this incredible player not in the Hall?</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffcc00">Jerry Smith, Tight End, 1965-1977.</span></p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 507px"><img src="http://www.sportsattic2.com/nflphotos/photos14/Smith,Jerry7.jpg" alt="" width="497" height="410" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Jerry Smith... looks like Sonny&#39;s about to hit him in stride... as usual...</p></div>
<p>He was drafted in the 9th round of the 1965 NFL Draft.  He turned into Jurgensen’s go to receiver.  When Jurgensen needed a first down, he looked for Jerry Smith, who was the model for using the Tight End as a devastating offensive receiving weapon.  Teamed with Bobby Mitchell, and Charley Taylor, he contributed heavily to the most prolific pass offense of the late 60’s and early 70’s.  His career included 60 touchdowns, which at the time of his retirement, was a record for tight ends.  He had 5496 yards receiving, and an average of 13.1 ypc.  Nothing to sneeze at, but in 1977, that was HUGE.  Smith was adept at turning a short reception into a big gain.  It was many years before his achievements were surpassed.  He died prematurely, at the age of 43, of HIV.  His stats and career should have made him a shoo in for the Hall of Fame…</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffcc00">Pat Fischer, Cornerback, 1968-1977.</span></p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 496px"><img src="http://www.sportsattic2.com/nflphotos/photos12/Fischer,Pat7.jpg" alt="" width="486" height="404" /><p class="wp-caption-text">That&#39;s 170 Lbs of Fischer upending the 225 lb MacArthur Lane of the Chiefs in the open field.</p></div>
<p>&#8220;The Mouse&#8221; was one of the most feared cornerbacks of his day.  Bump and run was his forte, and related to a vicious, physical style of play that absolutely belied his small stature.  Receivers respected him, and did what they could to avoid him in coverage.  Like Larry Brown, Pat Fischer put everything he had into his game.  He was known as a punishing tackler, despite his size.  In my opinion, Pat Fischer was every inch the equal of Roger Werhli, who was selected to the Hall 2 years ago.  Rules that outlawed Bump and Run coverage were created largely because Fischer was so effective in using the technique.  You might say, he changed the game.  Fischer was a 3 time Pro Bowl selection.  Pat Fischer needs to be in the Hall of Fame.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffcc00">Chris Hanburger, OLB, 1965-1978.</span></p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 403px"><img src="http://www.sportsattic2.com/nflphotos/photos13/Hanburger,Chris10.jpg" alt="" width="393" height="491" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Chris Hanburger, on the Weak Side...</p></div>
<p>Speed, grace and a devastating tackler.  Hanburger was everywhere on defense.  <strong>He was selected to the Pro Bowl NINE times during his career… <span style="color: #ffcc00">NINE</span>!.</strong> No Redskins player has ever equaled that.  To opponents, he was known as “the Hangman”, because of his penchant for the use of clothesline tackles.  He was a First Team All Pro 4 times. Between 1966 and 1976, 1971 was the only year in which he did not receive recognition as either a Pro-Bowler or an All Conference selection.  His absence from the Hall of Fame is a complete mystery.</p>
<p>What are we gonna do about it?</p>
<p>HTTR</p>
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		<title>More Memories of George Allen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keys</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Forty men together can&#8217;t lose!&#8221; 
- George Allen, December 31st, 1972, pumping the team up before the NFC Championship Game.
When Allen arrived on the scene in 1971, one of the things he knew was that, as much as the fans may have hated it, the route to championships required that we develop the ability to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong><span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #ffcc00">&#8220;Forty men together can&#8217;t lose!&#8221; </span></span></strong></p>
<p>- George Allen, December 31st, 1972, pumping the team up before the NFC Championship Game.<span id="more-3535"></span></p></blockquote>
<p>When Allen arrived on the scene in 1971, one of the things he knew was that, as much as the fans may have hated it, the route to championships required that we develop the ability to dominate the Dallas Cowboys. He was the perfect man for the job&#8230; and the Cowboy&#8217;s arrogance and milquetoast team personna, represented by the always perfect demeanor of Tom Landry, and the super clean cut presentation of Roger Staubach, provided the perfect foil for Allen&#8217;s blue collar, down and dirty, every man approach.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;Die you dogs. Die you Dallas dogs.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>- Sam Wyche (a Redskins back-up QB at the time)</p></blockquote>
<p>Allen was part coach&#8230; part psychologist&#8230; and all genius. He knew how to convert every ounce of potential in a player into performance on the field. He knew how to make his team HATE Dallas&#8230; and immediately went to work, creating his version of the men in black hats&#8230; the Dallas Cowboys&#8230; and turning them into the demons of the NFC East. Some players were convinced that Tom Landry had been, in an earlier life, a serial killer. Tex Schram was, in many Redskin minds, the very image of evil. Allen was indeed, a master motivator, who could whip his team into a frenzy&#8230; his teams invariably played over their heads as a result. They were on a mission.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;Losing to Dallas was the worst feeling in the world. You&#8217;d rather have your arm cut off.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>-Diron Talbert</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: center">
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 210px"><img src="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/images/redskins/book/pg_89a.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="143" /><p class="wp-caption-text">The Over the Hill Gang: from left, Mo Pottios, Ron McDole, Richie Petitbon, Diron Talbert and Jack Pardee</p></div>
<p>According to John Wilbur, who came to the Redskins as part of the “Ramskins” deal from LA (and whom, ironically, played for Dallas from 1966-1969) “George Allen never used to say &#8216;the Dallas Cowboys&#8217;. It was always &#8216;the goddamned Dallas Cowboys”. It&#8217;s the Cowboys&#8217; uniform. It strikes hate and loathing in my mind, almost in a Pavlovian sense.”</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;If you came out of the (Dallas) game and you weren&#8217;t bleeding, you hadn&#8217;t played.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>- Ken Houston</p></blockquote>
<p>Allen used his pulpit to bait the ever cool, never-rattled, Roger Staubach. Nothing EVER bothered Staubach. Nothing EVER disturbed his focus. He could not be perturbed. He was &#8220;the ice man.&#8221; Unfortunately for Roger, no one told Allen&#8230; and no one told Diron Talbert, who, ultimately, was key to destroying the Cowboys.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;I picked him up and pushed him back&#8230; It wasn&#8217;t a smooth play, it was a desperation play. It was such an eerie feeling when it happened. There wasn&#8217;t any noise in the stadium for maybe three seconds. All of a sudden&#8230; the place went crazy. I had never seen anything like it.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>-Ken Houston, on stopping Walt Garrison in the final seconds of the classic Monday Night Football game in October, 1973</p></blockquote>
<p>Allen baited Staubach. He coached Talbert, who baited Staubach, and relished that role. Taunted him without end. Talbert&#8217;s existence seemed focused on messing with the Cowboys quarterback, without end. Whenever possible, there was a threat&#8230; or a belittlement&#8230; or an attempt to embarrass&#8230; or intimidate&#8230; “I want Staubach in the shotgun.” Talbert insisted. Allen didn&#8217;t have to push Talbert very hard. Diron arrived in Washington already not caring very much for Staubach, as Roger had taken offense to a post season comment by Talbert. Ron McDole (the Dancing Bear), when asked his impression of Roger Staubach, said “Roger Staubach can&#8217;t read defenses, and wears skirts.<br />
Challenging Staubach&#8217;s manhood became part of the Redskins repertoire&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;We don&#8217;t like them, they don&#8217;t like us.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>- Roger Staubach</p></blockquote>
<p>The Cowboys responded. They got angry&#8230; and, on occasion, completely lost their cool&#8230; Playing the Redskins became torture for them, which was exactly what Allen wanted. According to Walt Garrison, the Cowboys coaching staff became concerned that there were Redskins scouts spying on every practice&#8230; (on the other hand, Coach Allen was convinced that there were spies all over the place at his practices, as well).</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;Yeah, but only after he went for my knees three times.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>-Jack Pardee, after being accused of trying to knee Dallas receiver Lance Alworth in the head.</p></blockquote>
<p>The culmination was Roger Staubach&#8217;s only personal foul penalty of his career. Following an interception of his pass by Pat Fischer, Staubach tried chasing him down, catching up to the Redskins cornerback only after he stepped out of bounds&#8230; and promptly gave him a shot. Others there were convinced that he hit Fischer, but he really wanted to find Talbert.</p>
<p>George Allen figured that the way to win the NFC East was to always beat the Cowboys.<br />
It was fortunate that&#8230; he really didn&#8217;t like them&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><span style="color: #ffcc00">&#8220;Tom Landry, hahahaha. Tex Schram, hahhaha. Roger Staubach, hahahha.</span>&#8220;</strong><br />
-George Allen to a television camera, after beating Dallas in Texas Stadium in 1976.</p></blockquote>
<p>George Allen gave birth to decades of the greatest football rivalry on earth&#8230; as quotes from subsequent years attest&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;My front four will be faced with the task of beating the “sweat-hogs”. It&#8217;s my belief that to be a defensive lineman, you have to have a personal hate for your opponent.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>- Ernie Stautner, defensive coordinator, Dallas</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;We&#8217;re standing there for the national anthem. When it&#8217;s over, Joe (Bugel) looks over to the other sideline at Ernie Stautner, who&#8217;s the Cowboys defensive line coach. Joe yells over to him and flips him off.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>-Joe Jacoby</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;Be sure&#8230; you learn how to get to the airport, will you?&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>- Tom Landry, Head Coach, Dallas, to his players prior to the 1982 NFC Championship game</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;Joe Theismann is a garbage-mouth little SOB. He&#8217;s such a hot dog that all he needs is a bun.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>-John Dutton</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;I got to the line, and I said to Randy White, &#8216;Our coaches love you. We&#8217;re going to run it over you again and again.&#8217; Randy wasn&#8217;t very happy, but after three or four times, he didn&#8217;t say a word.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>-Jeff Bostic</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;If you grow up in metro Washington, you grow up a diehard Redskins fan. But if you hate your parents, you grow up a Cowboys fan.&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>-Jim Lachey</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffcc00"><strong>&#8220;I wanted to just&#8230; put his lights out &#8230;.because, you know, &#8230;Dallas sucks&#8230;&#8221;</strong><br />
</span>- Dexter Manley, referring to Danny White whom he knocked out of the first half of the 1982 NFC Championship game.</p></blockquote>
<p><em><strong>What a legacy!</strong></em></p>
<p>HTTR</p>
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		<title>Jim Zorn; The End of an Error</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bobby Johnson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never really had anything against Jim Zorn. His resume included the fact that he was both a college and NFL Quarterback. He worked under Mike Holmgren. The NFL should have been in his blood.

Many scoffed when he was first hired about how he had no experience as an offensive coordinator and felt that he [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really had anything against Jim Zorn. His resume included the fact that he was both a college and NFL Quarterback. He worked under Mike Holmgren. The NFL should have been in his blood.</p>
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<p>Many scoffed when he was first hired about how he had no experience as an offensive coordinator and felt that he had no business making the jump straight to head coach. They mocked Snyder for making such a move, but pretended like it was unprecedented. Andy Reid made the jump from QB Coach to Head Coach, and the Eagles have been a playoff team for over a decade now.</p>
<p>Steve Mariucci is another example of a coach who skipped the offensive coordinator position and at the time of Zorn’s hiring was a candidate for the ‘Skins head coaching position.</p>
<p>What do Reid, Mariucci and Zorn all have in common? Mike Holmgren.</p>
<p>Much like Bill Walsh, and Don Coryell; Holmgren has bred many of the leagues finer head coaches at one time or another.</p>
<p>So, in Zorn, you have a former NFL Quarterback, who has been working under Mike Holmgren as a Quarterbacks Coach, the thought that maybe, just maybe he becomes the next Andy Reid wasn’t exactly far-fetched.</p>
<p>Hindsight is always 20/20, and as it turns out, Zorn is not a good play-caller. Certainly, many are patting themselves on the back right now saying “I told you so…” and they did, but with the amount of people second guessing everything that the Redskins do, you are bound to have those who can say “I told you so” to anything negative that happens with this team.</p>
<p>Many people have come close to throwing their shoulder out of joint patting themselves on the back about how they were right that Jason Taylor would be a bust; but none of them expected that the man would suffer a freak medical condition that would leave him injured for nearly half the season.</p>
<p>With Zorn, it’s different. Many people said Zorn wouldn’t have experience calling plays because he was never an offensive coordinator. Those people were correct, but nobody would say anything about how they were wrong if Zorn had been marching this team to it’s second consecutive play-off berth as opposed to cleaning out his desk after two abysmal seasons.</p>
<p>Everyone knew going in that Zorn was a risk <em>because</em> he had never had the experience of being an offensive coordinator. The man had an NFL pedigree that couldn’t be ignored, and all things considered, I’m still scratching my head as to how a man with that many years experience in this league could not grasp the basic fundamentals of the game when it came to play-calling.</p>
<p>Anybody that thinks it was not the play-calling needs to explain why the team went from averaging 13 points a game under Zorn; averaged 21 points per game under Sherm Lewis’ play-calling (not including these last three games where the team had obviously given up).</p>
<p>Zorn’s pending termination was one of the worst kept secrets in the league, and for most of this season we heard from pundits and commentators about how Zorn was being mistreated by the Redskins. None of them could show why Zorn should be given more credibility, or even why he should keep his job past this year, but they all painted Zorn to look like a battered spouse.</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago, Jay Glazer reported about how he had heard the team made Zorn sit in on interviews with potential candidates to take over his job. “They made him watch” said Glazer who was clearly painting the Redskins front office as the bad guys and suddenly the Fox NFL pregame show became Hands Across America for Jim Zorn. They talked about the poise and character he showed during this the most difficult of times for him.</p>
<p>Yet nowhere did anyone admit that Jim Zorn wasn’t cutting it as the head coach. Nowhere did they talk about how poorly this team had performed since starting out 6-2 in his first year. They finished that year 2-6 and had gone 2-4 versus a series of teams that had not won a game all season until they played his team.</p>
<p>The Redskins will get the fourth overall pick in the draft, and have lost to two of the three teams ahead of them (St. Louis and Detroit).</p>
<p>They praised Jim Zorn for his poise and felt sorry for him, but failed to recognize or even acknowledge that Zorn was a grown man, and if he felt the team was doing him wrong, could find the door out if he wanted to. Zorn failed to recognize his role in the Redskins’ futility. Even after the team began to perform better on the field, he still whined about how play-calling was “the favorite part of his job” that had been stripped away from him.</p>
<p>I give Zorn little credit for “sticking it out.” It wasn’t like the man wasn’t getting paid. Even if he had quit mid-season, things wouldn’t have necessarily improved, but really, could they have gotten much worse?</p>
<p>The fact is that the winds of change, they are a-blowin’. Vinny Cerrato’s “resignation” has paved the way for a new day in the Redskins’ front office. If the team had won out it’s last three games; then Bruce Allen’s job would have been made more difficult. Seeing as how clearly the coaches and many of the players had given up, it only makes his job easier this offseason.</p>
<p>With Allen will come a fresh perspective; one without loyalties to favorite players or coaches. Zorn’s head is already rolling, expect more to come.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, I still say Zorn was worth the risk. It was a gamble, and we lost. That’s why it’s called gambling. It’ll be interesting to see what happens next.</p>
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		<title>Bruce Allen?  George Allen?  Memories&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keys</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin-bottom: 0in">All I can say is wow.  Cerrato.  Gone.  Poof.  I sure didn&#8217;t see it coming.  Of course, in hind sight&#8230; there have been a number of Daniel Snyder – Bruce Allen sightings&#8230; and I think that there have been a couple of quickly dismissed rumors&#8230;  We all wished&#8230; but no one expected&#8230; for Cerrato to leave the scene.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in">So, there is delirium&#8230;  rumors continue to swirl&#8230; it seems that most money is on Mike Shanahan to become the next HC&#8230; but, who would expect that to be announced before the end of the season?<span id="more-3307"></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in">Anyway, I&#8217;ve found the thought of Bruce Allen (whom everyone, by now, is aware is the son of Hall of Fame Redskins coaching legend George Allen) has provoked some very old memories&#8230;</p>
<p>really good, for the most part&#8230; but, some, bittersweet.  One thing the George Allen era had plenty of was personalities.  I&#8217;ve been surprised at the flood&#8230;</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffcc00">Sonny and Billy&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #ffcc00">AKA &#8220;Hobble and Wobble&#8221;</span></p>
<div class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 248px"><img src="http://wpost.pictopia.com.edgesuite.net/getitem/156279_300_0_noseskrid.jpg" alt="Billy Kilmer replaces Sonny during a game" width="238" height="300" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Billy Kilmer glances at  Sonny&#39;s ankle, as he comes in to replace him</p></div>
<p>Kilmer had come into the league in &#8216;60, and was tearing up the league as a tailback&#8230; a very serious car accident and a very improbable recovery turned him into a quarterback&#8230; behind the legendary John Brodie.  In high school and college, he was one of those athletes who could do anything he wanted.  He was offered a contract to play for the Pirates out of high school (a .525 batting average will get those kind of offers).  He loved, and excelled, at basketball.  He didn&#8217;t think of himself as much of a football player. Kilmer was one <em>very</em> tough son of a gun&#8230;  who threw the ugliest pass in NFL history&#8230; and, therefore, Wobble.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffcc00">Billy liked to party.</span></p>
<p>Hobble was Sonny Jurgensen&#8230; Where Kilmer made his mark as a quarterback primarily through grit and determination, Sonny was easily the best pure passer in football.  NFL Records fell to his arm.  No one&#8217;s release was quicker, and no one could thread a needle better than Sonny.  Why “Hobble”?  Ever see Sonny run?  (Of course, in 1971, Kilmer wasn&#8217;t much of a runner either&#8230; but that is part of the greatness of Billy, that I&#8217;ll try to write about some other time.)</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffcc00">Sonny liked to party.</span></p>
<p>While Coach Allen appreciated Jurgensen&#8217;s skills, Sonny&#8217;s style of play caused him some concerns.  Sonny was not above taking major risks&#8230; and was known to improvise.  While that could result in some VERY exciting plays, it did not exactly jive with Allen&#8217;s conservative, ball control philosophy&#8230; That&#8217;s where Billy came in.  When Archie Manning was drafted by the Saints, Kilmer (then their QB) became expendable.  He was George Allen&#8217;s first player acquisition.<br />
When Billy came to Washington, he wasn&#8217;t immediately happy, and, in fact, asked Allen to trade him.   He wanted to play for a team where he had a shot at starting&#8230;  but, he sucked it up.    He met Sonny, and immediately asked “Where can a guy get a beer around here?”    Sonny just happened to know a place.  A friendship was started.</p>
<p>Both could be seen all over town&#8230; anyone who lived in DC during the 71 and 72 seasons remembers the bumper stickers&#8230; “I follow the Redskins, and I like SONNY”&#8230;  “I follow the Redskins, and I like BILLY”  There are stories of them being in a car together, and pulling up next to a car with one sticker or the other, and feigning offense toward the driver&#8230; Apparently, they found it most amusing.  While the “controversy” was hot, the two, despite their very different games and skills, were very much alike.</p>
<p><em>Personal experience</em>&#8230; I can remember driving home from class at Washington Technical Institute (now the University of DC).  I was going a bit out of my way to drop off a friend.  Driving along Nebraska Avenue, NW, we came upon an accident at the intersection with Military Road&#8230; there, directing traffic (and getting a lot more attention than he wanted) was Sonny Jurgensen.  He had stopped to help&#8230; but, I&#8217;m pretty sure that his presence was causing a worse problem&#8230;</p>
<p>During the 1972 season, Sonny snapped his achilles tendon&#8230; an injury that effectively ended his career&#8230; while he did play a couple of games after healing, he was never the same.  Following Sonny&#8217;s injury, Billy&#8217;s guts and leadership led to Washington&#8217;s first trip to the SuperBowl.  The Miami Dolphin&#8217;s year of destiny.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Billy&#8217;s guts could not overcome the very skilled Miami defense.  Would the outcome have been different were Sonny availible to play?  Obviously, we&#8217;ll never know&#8230;</p>
<p><em>At least we got to see Garo Yaprenian demonstrate why he was a kicker&#8230;</em></p>
<p>The memories are flooding back&#8230; more later.</p>
<p>BTW, my bumper sticker said &#8220;I like Sonny&#8221;</p>
<p>HTTR</p>
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		<title>A Thing Called Tradition</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sherman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whenever a debate creeps up about the Redskins&#8217; uniforms, many people trot out the word &#8220;tradition&#8221; in defense of the current outfit. It&#8217;s not an unreasonable position; while wearing more or less the same uniform the team sports today, the Redskins experienced the greatest ten-year stretch in team history from 1982 to 1991. The decade [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever a debate creeps up about the Redskins&#8217; uniforms, many people trot out the word &#8220;tradition&#8221; in defense of the current outfit. It&#8217;s not an unreasonable position; while wearing more or less the same uniform the team sports today, the Redskins experienced the greatest ten-year stretch in team history from 1982 to 1991. The decade produced seven playoff appearances, a .704 winning percentage and most importantly, three NFL championships<sup>1</sup>, all while wearing more or less the same uniform the team sports today. And while it&#8217;s foolish to suggest that a change in the uniform will make the team better or worse, I do think there is something to be said for wearing the same uniforms that brought you your greatest spoils.</p>
<p>With that being said, the idea that the Redskins have always worn their current uniform is simply wrong. And it&#8217;s not just wrong in the sense that way back in 1937 they wore something slightly different; the Redskins and did not adopt the current uniform set until 1979. The first half of our franchise&#8217;s history didn&#8217;t involve the uniform we know today.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to sort through every uniform alteration and shirt/pant combination, but I will run through the Redskins&#8217; helmet history. And even for a team that&#8217;s been around for over 70 years, we&#8217;ve gone through <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/skinsdept.html" target="_blank">a lot</a> of them:</p>
<p><strong>1937-1952: Leather Helmets</strong></p>
<p>When the Redskins first arrived in Washington in 1937, players weren&#8217;t wearing hard-shelled helmets, but rather <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=35aea456b3fd287c&amp;q=redskins%20source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">leather</a>. The question is if these leather helmets were ever painted a uniform color. The fact that all the <a href="http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/Battles_Cliff_Action_180-220.jpg" target="_blank">photos</a> from this era are <a href="http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/Edwards_Turk_HS_180-220.jpg" target="_blank">black and white</a>, combined with the overall scarcity of action shots, makes this nearly impossible to determine. Here is what little we do know: <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/" target="_blank">Helmet Hut</a><sup>2</sup> has this yellow and black <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/baugh.html" target="_blank">game-worn helmet</a> from 1939, and in this <a href="http://www.jamesfiorentino.com/images/sportsart/football/baugh_big.jpg" target="_blank">painting</a>, undoubtedly based on the famous <a href="http://www.daylife.com/photo/01pt2jbcgy2UY" target="_blank">photograph</a> from the 1942 NFL Championship game, the helmet is depicted as burgundy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to go crazy trying to determine each change during the leather helmet era, but if you have any additional information on leather helmets worn by the Redskins, please shoot me an e-mail at mcsher55@gmail.com.</p>
<p><strong>1952-1954: Gold Helmet, Burgundy Stripe<br />
</strong></p>
<p>The first hard-shelled <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/shell.html" target="_blank">helmets</a> were used in 1952, a true gold with a burgundy stripe. 1952 was Sammy Baugh&#8217;s final season in football, and it was <a href="http://webzoom.freewebs.com/jdworley/01%20Quantum%20Leaf/01%20Cent%20Season/CS-05%20Sammy%20Baugh.jpg" target="_blank">this</a> helmet he wore. <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/Baugh1.html" target="_blank">Here</a> Baugh is pictured autographing a replica of that 1952 design. The design was used through <a href="http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/sports/images/sportmagazine/sport-lebaron.JPG" target="_blank">1954</a>.</p>
<p><strong>1954-1956: Cardinal Helmet; Yellow Stripe</strong></p>
<p>At some point in the 1954 season, the team switched to a cardinal <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/skins1955.html" target="_blank">helmet</a> with a yellow stripe. It&#8217;s interesting that this color scheme would be quickly abandoned, yet is pretty close to the colors the team wears today. The <a href="http://www.footballcardgallery.com/1957+Topps/24/Al-Dorow/" target="_blank">design</a> lasted through 1956.</p>
<p><strong>1957-1958: The Notre Dame Helmet</strong></p>
<p>In 1957, the team returned to the <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=bfb5cc75faca97ae&amp;q=lebaron%20source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlebaron%2Bsource:life%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">gold helmet</a>, but without the burgundy stripe. For better or worse, the result was a helmet identical to <a href="http://www.nd.edu/campus-and-community/sights-sounds/assets/wallpapers/helmet-1024x768.jpg" target="_blank">Notre Dame&#8217;s</a>. The design was worn late into the <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=96a2d593680df824&amp;q=redskins%20source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">1958 season</a>.</p>
<p><strong>1958-1964: The Feather Helmet</strong></p>
<p>At the end of the 1958 season, the team introduced the first emblem, a feather running up the back of the <a href="http://www.mikestanhope.com/CharleyTaylorFeather.JPG" target="_blank">helmet</a>. It lasted through 1964, but in a couple of slightly different incarnations. The helmet was <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/59feather.html" target="_blank">initially</a> and <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/mitchel.html" target="_blank">ultimately</a> burgundy, yet a game-worn helmet from <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/feather.html" target="_blank">1961</a> indicates it was once cardinal. In the 1963 and 1964, <a href="http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/featured/9835/index.htm" target="_blank">numbers</a> were placed on the back of the helmet.</p>
<p><strong>1965-1969: The Spear Helmet</strong></p>
<p>In 1965, the feather was replaced with a <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=cf1a22c3602bd277&amp;q=otto%20graham%20source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dotto%2Bgraham%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">spear</a>, again on a <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/Huff.html" target="_blank">burgundy</a> helmet. Following the 1968 season, Vince Lombardi came out of retirement to run the Redskins. Lombardi&#8217;s brother-in-law worked for Rawlings, so the Redskins switched uniform providers. When the uniforms arrived, they were the wrong color &#8211; a lighter, cardinal red instead of the burgundy. Since it would have been a real hassle to order new uniforms, the <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/boeke.html" target="_blank">helmets</a> were <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/sonnyj.html" target="_blank">painted</a> to reflect the color change. Tragically<sup>3</sup>, the color change stuck and the Redskins never returned to burgundy. You can see the difference in this picture of <a href="http://www.helmethut.com/Sonny%20Jurgensen.html" target="_blank">Sonny Jurgensen</a> posing with replicas of every helmet he ever wore<sup>4</sup>.</p>
<p><strong>1970-1971: The Yellow Lombardi Helmet</strong></p>
<p>Hoping to remodel the franchise in the image of his powerful <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=af66eecc7d7a450e&amp;q=packers%20source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpackers%2Bsource:life%26start%3D60%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">Packer</a> squads, Vince Lombardi redesigned the uniforms to match, introducing a yellow helmet. Unfortunately, Lombardi fell ill with colon cancer and passed away before the start of the 1970 season. He never got to see his creation <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=c462f6079c4c148b&amp;q=len%20barney%20source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlen%2Bbarney%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG">in action</a>.</p>
<p><strong>1972: The Indian Head Helmet</strong></p>
<p>In 1972, the Redskins ditched the yellow for the <a href="http://http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/featured/8305/index.htm" target="_blank">helmet</a> we know <a href="http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0917/nfl_rt_portis_412.jpg" target="_blank">today</a>. The changes throughout the years have been minor: In 1978, the facemask was changed from <a href="http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/featured/8498/index.htm" target="_blank">gray </a>to <a href="http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/featured/9298/index.htm" target="_blank">gold</a>. In <a href="http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/gallery/featured/GAL1000451/7/13/index.htm" target="_blank">1982</a> (the season that yielded Super Bowl XVII), the logo featured curled feathers rather than the traditional straight feathers. The team returned to the straight-feather look in 1983, and other than the occasional throwbacks (worn in <a href="http://www.jamd.com/image/g/280844" target="_blank">1994</a>, <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/features/2002/preview/redskins/redskins_lg.jpg" target="_blank">2002</a> and <a href="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1089/1431896383_541c64665c_o.jpg" target="_blank">2007</a>), the helmet has since remained unchanged. It should be noted that while the 2002 and 2007 designs are true replicas of <a href="http://www.go4thestars.com/4952sj.jpg" target="_blank">helmets</a> from the <a href="http://www.haruth.com/jurgensen_sonny.jpg" target="_blank">past</a>, the 1994 helmet was not. For the NFL&#8217;s 75th anniversary, all NFL teams wore replicas of their original uniforms. Since the 1937 Redskins didn&#8217;t have a hard-shelled helmet, the team just removed the logos from the <a href="http://www.jamd.com/image/g/360273" target="_blank">regular helmet</a>, making this &#8220;throwback&#8221; a unique helmet unto itself.</p>
<p>And there you have it. Seven<sup>5</sup> helmets in less than 60 years. So the next time you bristle at the suggestion of a uniform change, just remember that the real Redskins tradition is one of change.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p><sup>1</sup> For comparison, the second best ten-year stretch in Redskins&#8217; history was 1937-1946, which produced five playoff appearances, a winning percentage of .701* and two NFL championships. It should be noted that the .701 winning percentage is calculated by counting ties as a half win and a half loss, standard practice today. But before 1972, the NFL didn&#8217;t count ties at all when calculating winning percentage. Using the old method, the winning percentage would be .713, a franchise best.</p>
<p><sup>2</sup> It&#8217;s an awesome resource, and one that you&#8217;ll find I abuse in this blog entry. The <a href="https://www.gridironmemories.com/shop/homepage.asp" target="_blank">official store</a> is a little lacking in the NFL department, but their college section and World Football League sections is incredible, if a bit pricy.</p>
<p><sup>3</sup> It&#8217;s just my opinion, but I think it&#8217;s a travesty that the Redskins don&#8217;t wear burgundy and gold.</p>
<p><sup>4</sup> Don&#8217;t be fooled by the order he has them in. The cardinal spear was worn after the burgundy spear.</p>
<p><sup>5</sup> Depending on how you want to count the leather helmets, the minor alterations and the throwbacks, the number could be as high as 20 over the team&#8217;s history:</p>
<p><code>1: Plain leather<br />
2: Yellow leather<br />
3: Burgundy leather<br />
4: Gold helmet, burgundy stripe<br />
5: Cardinal helmet, yellow stripe<br />
6: Notre Dame helmet<br />
7: Burgundy Feather<br />
8: Cardinal Feather</code><code> 9: Burgundy Feather, again<br />
10: Burgundy Feather with numbers<br />
11: Burgundy Spear<br />
12: Red Spear<br />
13: Lombardi Yellow<br />
14: Indian Head, gray facemask<br />
15: Indian Head, yellow facemask<br />
16: Curled feathers<br />
17: Indian Head, yellow facemask, again<br />
18: 1994 Throwback<br />
19: 2002 Throwback<br />
20: 2007 Throwback</code></p>
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		<title>Redskins in the LIFE Photo Archives</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sherman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[TIME has recently teamed up with Google to make their LIFE photo archives available on the web. Most of these photos never made it into print, and the process of digitalizing around 10 million photos is still ongoing. It&#8217;s an incredible resource, and Google Images makes the archive easy to search.
There are some fantastic football [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TIME has recently teamed up with Google to make their LIFE photo archives available on the web. Most of these photos never made it into print, and the process of digitalizing around 10 million photos is still ongoing. It&#8217;s an incredible resource, and Google Images makes the <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life" target="_blank">archive</a> easy to search.</p>
<p>There are some <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=00c5c90c6b4e1833&amp;q=colts+source:life&amp;ei=qUVaSb6BOt64twer-LypDg&amp;sig2=TdqLC50Htft2E1AKqewMEA&amp;usg=__0tmx5IPnN64eHqzE6K4v5z9GCkc=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcolts%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">fantastic</a> football shots. Unfortunately, the <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=b27c24baf006d06c&amp;q=cowboys+giants+source:life&amp;ei=1EVaSdDWLpqctwfR7qSZDg&amp;sig2=jo3GUoi-bKhi-R0-0xMA_w&amp;usg=__-WYZhNxxxUvPH3qDXn8KqJBjSnQ=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcowboys%2Bgiants%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">best</a> pictures don&#8217;t involve the Redskins; I had no idea this media biased stretched back so far. But there are a lot of interesting photos of the hometown team, and I&#8217;ve linked them here for your convenience.</p>
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<p><strong>1938 Team<br />
</strong></p>
<p>The Redskins&#8217; 1937 Championship season apparently caught someone&#8217;s attention at LIFE, because there are a number of portraits of players on the 1938 team. Some are <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=1468dd4f7d4cb558&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=pH8dvSawKV3rXpl-JjwDVw&amp;usg=__cGDyl5zoyWcZ7oGO8unKvZdKAAk=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">unidentified</a> (<span style="#ff0000;">although I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s Ernie Pinckert, who made the Pro Bowl in 1938</span>), others we all ought to know, such as <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=54fa9962a9d341a4&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=1Z9OM2zJPGLIMnDocMfs_Q&amp;usg=__YQjlCDH7b2uuOkZHgv5rJdenMBE=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Sammy Baugh</a> (here wearing a <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=35aea456b3fd287c&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=pfBJaTAyQ-T-N9LZGFkhpA&amp;usg=__Onv-RHZXdRsWahd2elTEDxZzEO0=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">helmet</a>) and the original #17, <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=c59d0dcd0caf48f7&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=zgqYzdEyb3kKnERNoS-5pg&amp;usg=__NydZmlzKvmHL1gRh3sJJNHklPJI=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Turk Edwards</a> (here wearing a <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=503245a2ed77175f&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=JPefFGoDp_xVkRMryTgFeA&amp;usg=__o6dJGnubuHiKWZ7c-H3TEu-ZBtw=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">cap</a>). And if you think the game is tough today, two unidentified players offer a <a title="Unknown 1938 Player" href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=04d10b6623d225db&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=j-hFlfTPy8oupdk5_pFh0Q&amp;usg=__Sq0HfTqQvQRHzfG0mPSXKkbZQlQ=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">black eye</a> (best guess: Less Olsonn) and a <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=b02f9278fd174250&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=GocpPfxC5Y9Kd-Hhs2W8pw&amp;usg=__MOCCel0Atd2v_0lWMB8Hno466gw=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">broken nose</a> (<span style="#ff0000;">best guess: Ben Smith</span>) as evidence that 1930&#8217;s football makes today&#8217;s game look like hopscotch.</p>
<p>Also, we have a shot of <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=0a10821bb0497b8b&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=GLeRS3Jp1R1IgRBgKKUuyA&amp;usg=__qkQxLbe17y9v7DJIgAxqmzovCNc=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Henry &#8220;Red&#8221; Krause</a> and a sort of awkward picture of the very hairy <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=a2b932427582546b&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=MvI2HI6ZLktVPY-xXFSjww&amp;usg=__TbBevDjoYDsLn9I4GNXhydW8QDA=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Edwin Kahn</a>. I&#8217;m guessing that these pictures were taken in the preseason, because Kahn played his last regular season NFL game in 1937.</p>
<p>Finally, the man who holds the highest winning percentage in team history, <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=0a2455bd53324107&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=WArgXKepGHfDOpT68j7MUw&amp;usg=__1HIkDEHZYxcIZS00hKm1Ip31q5g=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Ray Flaherty</a>. I&#8217;m intrigued by the logo on his hat &#8211; it looks like the bottom of an over-lapping &#8220;N&#8221; and &#8220;Y&#8221;. Perhaps from his playing days with the Yankees or Giants?</p>
<p><strong>Eddie LeBaron</strong></p>
<p>LIFE must have done a feature on Eddie LeBaron, because he has a ton of pictures in the archives. Not only do we see him <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=96a2d593680df824&amp;q=eddie+lebaron+source:life&amp;ei=xjlaSfKnIdmitge8zdScDg&amp;sig2=dKkUC5KHqjHpHZaQRRtLhQ&amp;usg=__eFQhrXeLhbEVDKzBunAACrSTa7E=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Blebaron%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">on the field</a>, but also at home with his <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=749527e743b6ef4a&amp;q=eddie+lebaron+source:life&amp;ei=xjlaSfKnIdmitge8zdScDg&amp;sig2=rmZ8DlN6T4fxMW2gm3IJ3w&amp;usg=__UtXBoZjjQHipvXoa6o5NswVuIus=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Blebaron%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">family</a> and at a <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=b34614de3488a311&amp;q=eddie+lebaron+source:life&amp;ei=xjlaSfKnIdmitge8zdScDg&amp;sig2=obydmXfql8W58IIDRYHGlA&amp;usg=__LDTCmWKEcMrywt14UgxKgkPLP2Y=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Blebaron%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">car dealership</a>.</p>
<p>There are a number of shots from an October 1958 game against the Giants. One is bug&#8217;s eye view of the Redskins <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=8967e8452ebbac89&amp;q=eddie+lebaron+source:life&amp;ei=xjlaSfKnIdmitge8zdScDg&amp;sig2=jOaTd5IUuyNspQxMOwC--A&amp;usg=___o-vLkbzmV1zf14JxI5Xg-jKAc0=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Blebaron%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">huddle</a> (unfortunately, the only other player we can clearly make out is #51, center Jim Schrader). Others are Eddie on the <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=a19267814b5eafb4&amp;q=eddie+lebaron+source:life&amp;ei=xjlaSfKnIdmitge8zdScDg&amp;sig2=F_r38HGZFx_MpI-RMpiC3w&amp;usg=__YRj2kqib6KL3lRz2Etk6QSus6cA=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Blebaron%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">bench</a> and a nice <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=bfb5cc75faca97ae&amp;q=eddie+lebaron+source:life&amp;ei=xjlaSfKnIdmitge8zdScDg&amp;sig2=X9M9cXaAhEalqwNYgL8mWA&amp;usg=__Z_zHc7lQjDCWdc2ndFnKPLvOaF4=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Blebaron%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">action shot</a> of LeBaron running the ball as halfback Jim Podoley (#24) and guard Dick Stanfel (#60) look to block. According to <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/195810120was.htm" target="_blank">profootballreference.com</a>, this game would have taken place on October 12, 1958. The Giants, who would go on to lose the 1958 NFL Championship in &#8220;The Greatest Game Ever Played&#8221;, defeated the Redskins 21-14 on a fourth quarter touchdown pass from Charlie Conerly to Ken MacAfee.</p>
<p><a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=50a32d2e5d7cd61c&amp;q=1950s+NFL+source:life&amp;ei=H1haSZKOLJrUMa_foNwP&amp;sig2=Yg_xp7Sig8EqTMLYpzNILw&amp;usg=__ecHUB4DYh_dww41m4JSqarKw2U0=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3D1950s%2BNFL%2Bsource:life%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">Conerly</a> was actually an eleventh-round draft pick of the Redskins in 1945. The quarterback did graduate from college in 1945, but played two more seasons at Ole Miss in 1946 and 1947, I guess as a graduate student. The Redskins retained both interest and his rights, and were still scouting Conerly in 1947. According to the Washington Post, when Redskins General Manager Dick McCann was asked why Washington would be interested in quarterbacks when Sammy Baugh was still going strong, he replied, &#8220;They&#8217;d make wonderful trading material, wouldn&#8217;t they?&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed they would, and the Redskins traded Conerly&#8217;s rights to the Giants for halfback Howie Livingston. The idea was that the Redskins already had their quarterback of the future in Alabama rookie Harry Gilmer, and this was a chance to land Livingston for a prospect who may end up playing baseball (Conerly would end up turning down a $100,000 contract to play for the Dodgers). The trade proved to be a mistake, as Livingston recorded just two rushing attempts in two and a half seasons with the Redskins while Conerly won top rookie honors in 1948 and went on to quarterback the Giants for a decade, making the Pro Bowl twice and leading New York to a world title in 1956.</p>
<p>Harry Gilmer did end up making two Pro Bowls himself, but the guy who really ended up succeeding Baugh was LeBaron. LeBaron never won a championship like Conerly, but he did make four Pro Bowls, including one in this featured 1958 season. But Eddie must have known he couldn&#8217;t play forever, because he gave new meaning to the term <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=102a68873bf47d4e&amp;q=eddie+lebaron+source:life&amp;ei=xjlaSfKnIdmitge8zdScDg&amp;sig2=Pt-kojhxTVYJoSomieELUA&amp;usg=__ZAL92izravJ4itt5Go58xP2Wq_M=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Blebaron%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">student-athlete</a> by <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=c5d804a1c5d8b2b6&amp;q=eddie+lebaron+source:life&amp;ei=xjlaSfKnIdmitge8zdScDg&amp;sig2=i8-b9rS-6s-4Ja-GP82_iA&amp;usg=__6tM41MIVAPV7elg471fhpWDm6pc=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Blebaron%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">studying law</a> at George Washington University. LeBaron would complete his J.D. in 1959 and joined a law firm in Midland, Texas. LeBaron&#8217;s employer was willing to let him keep playing, but LeBaron retired, citing the distance between Midland and Washington. Luckily, LeBaron found a team closer to his new employer, and became the first quarterback of the expansion <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=843106e990f98c98&amp;q=eddie+lebaron+source:life&amp;ei=xjlaSfKnIdmitge8zdScDg&amp;sig2=OXj4YDUlRJI8QQcvFCcWTg&amp;usg=__tLYw7AhnZcBwNoBhJxW6ATCYs64=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Blebaron%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">Cowboys</a> (pictured here with founding owner Clint Murchison, Jr.) The Redskins traded his rights to Dallas for veteran defensive lineman Ray Krouse and a draft pick, which would end up being Norm Snead.</p>
<p><strong>Quarterbacks of the NFL, 1961</strong></p>
<p>LIFE made the starting quarterbacks for each team get together for a <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=2ee23ea01d1929ad&amp;q=sonny+jurgensen+source:life&amp;ei=wj1aSZHZK8zAtgfOoMWvDg&amp;sig2=GwuESJ7kxewqcZDkrn_lNQ&amp;usg=__VF0eLoyOcesVX01Ysctn5put_mo=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsonny%2Bjurgensen%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">group shot</a> prior to the 1961 season. The players had to each throw a ball simultaneously, which made for some interesting <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=94eb7ce653121342&amp;q=sonny+jurgensen+source:life&amp;ei=wj1aSZHZK8zAtgfOoMWvDg&amp;sig2=ROZTf2KRC2fXV8ED050JrA&amp;usg=__mOhRqHn_Q_UlubW5Zd36nu5IvNU=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsonny%2Bjurgensen%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">takes</a>. I&#8217;m sure that didn&#8217;t get old quick. Most of the uniforms look awfully similar in black and white, but this <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=0aff9b8089eeabc4&amp;q=1960s+football+source:life&amp;ei=t1VaSdGFDY3ENIiF8L0P&amp;sig2=8ue8ElrC2R8utyZMlJvd9w&amp;usg=__NS3qjKncXSu7d7Ngxxlvck-2_qs=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3D1960s%2Bfootball%2Bsource:life%26start%3D60%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">color shot</a> really makes the jerseys stand out. It&#8217;s hard to believe that those Cowboys uniforms are now throwbacks, because when they first came out, those stars on the shoulders must have been considered cutting-edge. Redskins rookie quarterback Norm Snead is second from the right in the back row, and the man who he will one day be traded for, Sonny Jurgensen, is second from the right in the front row, wearing an Eagles jersey. That&#8217;s painful to look at. Jim Ninowski, who would play for the Redskins sparingly in 1967 and 1968, is the first man on left in the front row, representing the Detroit Lions.</p>
<p><strong>Otto Graham</strong></p>
<p>Hall of Fame quarterback Otto Graham coached the Redskins from 1966 to 1968, and he makes a number of appearances in the archives, including sporting his <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=96d0f366b54768a6&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=qvxflrdalTXoXh4Vrv5Fqg&amp;usg=__uDQmjj-BKIvU59Qf5xZjjGNtkyM=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">short shorts</a> in a 1966 <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=648b41868e0003c8&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=wLg2O1CS3gzwhz2sokgrSg&amp;usg=__4xoLdN5wrzd5d2zqOrkBXhOxxAw=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">practice</a>. We also see Otto <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=e12dce6f1214c3b2&amp;q=redskins+source:life&amp;ei=rjtaSfO_LdmitgfbzLCcDg&amp;sig2=3D7eyqLlyvB2r1M6Q6lS_A&amp;usg=__Xq3YQZ1Ly8dQsEpHucvqS29-33Q=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dredskins%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">with his son</a> before his Redskins debut, a 35-0 loss to the Baltimore Colts in an exhibition game held on August 3, 1966.</p>
<p>Here are two more pictures, probably from training camp: One features Graham with an <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=bc874a3ed8755f0a&amp;q=otto+graham+source:life&amp;ei=aEpaSbT7PMugtweJyrWnDg&amp;sig2=imn0dvS9vMLQH0Gp8_Y1Mw&amp;usg=__LpCr08GpADz-ri8DZAVRdPghu1s=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dotto%2Bgraham%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">unidentified quarterback</a> (I&#8217;d be willing to bet it&#8217;s Dick Shiner, who wore #14 at Maryland and was with the Redskins in 1966), and the other shows Graham speaking to both #14 and to the man himself, <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=cf1a22c3602bd277&amp;q=otto+graham+source:life&amp;ei=aEpaSbT7PMugtweJyrWnDg&amp;sig2=8-olUEBMUXdKquEbV_Na6A&amp;usg=__RUCrpDCe6cn9D7P6oBChWn8oibw=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dotto%2Bgraham%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Sonny Jurgensen</a>. For the record, I absolutely love the helmet Jurgensen is leaning on.</p>
<p><strong>October 11, 1970</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s weird seeing anyone other than Barry Sanders wearing #20 for the Lions, but that&#8217;s what Len Barney was sporting as he tried to guard Redskins wideouts <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=c462f6079c4c148b&amp;q=corner+back+source:life&amp;ei=2ltaSaPoMYWFtgeYjaGtDg&amp;sig2=ABzMnV6hTw8jBorr4kHsng&amp;usg=__XfOndaclNbIAo0NPsWzjEeAnbrs=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcorner%2Bback%2Bsource:life%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Jon Henderson</a>, <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=corner+back+source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcorner%2Bback%2Bsource:life%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG&amp;imgurl=cf413391adc488a3" target="_blank">Walter Roberts</a> and future Hall of Famer <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=c1bd1d789a2f413f&amp;q=corner+back+source:life&amp;ei=2ltaSaPoMYWFtgeYjaGtDg&amp;sig2=DO-mKk00KVEUwYZ-E-uKEQ&amp;usg=__4PQjqy8hPzD10gpxK2N93JUHUHI=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcorner%2Bback%2Bsource:life%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Charlie Taylor</a>. I&#8217;m assuming these pictures are from <a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197010110was.htm" target="_blank">October 11, 1970</a> &#8211; a 31-10 Redskins victory. The Redskins only wore those yellow helmets in 1970 and 1971, and Washington only played the Lions once in that span, although it&#8217;s always possible these were taken in a preseason game. If this was the aforementioned 1970 game, then Barney didn&#8217;t do a very good job, as Taylor caught six balls for 124 yards and two touchdowns.</p>
<p><strong>Everything Else that&#8217;s Even Remotely Relevant</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=1920s+football+source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3D1920s%2Bfootball%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG&amp;imgurl=c639ec12e275e7ff" target="_blank">Ronald Reagan&#8217;s</a> 1927 high school football team. Assuming the date is correct and Reagan didn&#8217;t repeat or skip any grades, this was probably taken when he was 16 and in his junior year of high school. It&#8217;s a real stretch in terms of being Redskins-related, but I&#8217;m going to include it based on his &#8220;Where&#8217;s Ricky Sanders?&#8221; line at the Super Bowl XXII celebration.</p>
<p>Also not really Redskins-related, but definitely Washington D.C.-related. LIFE had a number of photos from a 1946 game between Howard University and Shaw College, probably the Homecoming game judging the <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=1ef54d2790b4d2c8&amp;q=howard+football+source:life&amp;ei=D3daSaOUM9W_tgej8OGeDg&amp;sig2=vtaf1tw5ITAdRX3G4Gr5iA&amp;usg=__zUIMb3WBfbM5uUyCCg3DXebNmZQ=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhoward%2Bfootball%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">crowd</a> and the <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=641e3bc682b51dc2&amp;q=howard+football+source:life&amp;ei=D3daSaOUM9W_tgej8OGeDg&amp;sig2=DwsDyk7TJozh0xn6-bAnRQ&amp;usg=__HuxVCDd8yaHiIDOZsgPxf4c_mMU=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhoward%2Bfootball%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">festivities</a>. I love Howard&#8217;s <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=washington+football+source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwashington%2Bfootball%2Bsource:life%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&amp;imgurl=8c23f1bfcfa05748" target="_blank">uniforms</a>, but they apparently weren&#8217;t issued to <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=washington+football+source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwashington%2Bfootball%2Bsource:life%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&amp;imgurl=4908d87a02575d29" target="_blank">everyone</a>. Looking at those pictures and this shot of the <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=47e49977ce2fad26&amp;q=washington+football+source:life&amp;ei=1khaSYOvCZbGtgeT1eyfDg&amp;sig2=NOOQLPRnaGOANdvL0Z-NoA&amp;usg=__sbmHrezIyIWvrfqWF_M1HgBBQjw=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwashington%2Bfootball%2Bsource:life%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">bench</a>, it looks like all uniform numbers 51 and above are on the plain whites, and every number 50 and below are in the striped jerseys. In fact, if you zoom in on this <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=19d70bedf661b526&amp;q=washington+football+source:life&amp;ei=1khaSYOvCZbGtgeT1eyfDg&amp;sig2=cx7dFaxadAmLu4rCfwRDXg&amp;usg=__esZWt5jhv44dnPS2n4-Gsdnrxms=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwashington%2Bfootball%2Bsource:life%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">team photo</a>, you can see a player wearing #100, about twelve or so guys in from the left on the second row. Fortunately, the <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=washington+football+source:life&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwashington%2Bfootball%2Bsource:life%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&amp;imgurl=2296ec28dad407d6" target="_blank">cheerleaders</a> were having no uniform issues.</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t any shots of Griffith Stadium setup for football, the Redskins home from 1937-1960, but there are plenty of <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=605fcf40e3d07929&amp;q=griffith+stadium+source:life&amp;ei=iJJaScnPG4-omQeJloijDg&amp;sig2=E8yPWObp0Le2wymsTZKNwA&amp;usg=__Ct_m6dhpEWTT75nLRRWFO2_f3i0=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgriffith%2Bstadium%2Bsource:life%26start%3D20%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">baseball</a> and even <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=498d4144a565d00e&amp;q=griffith+stadium+source:life&amp;ei=5pFaSfm1D4-omQe4leCiDg&amp;sig2=-Yssxrs1YhUKFsYCFhdGmQ&amp;usg=__ipGkUndOstSsUDVMjoNeuxD_D_8=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgriffith%2Bstadium%2Bsource:life%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">church services</a>.</p>
<p>A 1952 shot of Maryland quarterback <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=6001e9ad9313508d&amp;q=jack+scarbath+source:life&amp;ei=k01aSZLGNqP-NMb_gdkP&amp;sig2=yymr9fUQ4JzooIFLbhyHrg&amp;usg=__MFdZ1ysARi9so2l43i09OwHyzzY=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Djack%2Bscarbath%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Jack Scarbath</a>. Scarbath would be Redskins&#8217; 1953 first round pick (third overall), but was out of the NFL by 1957.</p>
<p>Future Redskins linebacker and radio color man <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=a55380c099cd9aaa&amp;q=sam+huff+source:life&amp;ei=UvpbSc7PN-GBtgf9r7GxDg&amp;sig2=VTKA6S1LBRzjuRrVf9CI_w&amp;usg=__v_20XSiy6IfJbUIbF8sV8Fy6Zw8=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsam%2Bhuff%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">Sam Huff</a> in a 1959 game against the Cardinals.</p>
<p>Joe Kuharich coached the Redskins from 1954 to 1958, compiling a 26-32-2 record. Here, he leads <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=1e05735110ab7d53&amp;q=Joe+Kuharich&amp;ei=iM9aSaXXNaPBmQfPxJCzDg&amp;sig2=xzb4e2RM0tZ1S5zpjQ9g0Q&amp;usg=__PUaa2KtN8v5X-WPwJ101ECxSwyY=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3DJoe%2BKuharich%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Notre Dame</a> against Northwestern in 1959. The Irish fell 30-24, perhaps due to those funky helmets they were wearing.</p>
<p>Washington Post sports editor <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=44c5dd4420e3a529&amp;q=shirley+povich+source:life&amp;ei=KEpaScCmLcugtweUyrWnDg&amp;sig2=SOKFjgyJkohYo3lCEhNPJg&amp;usg=__Ad5-t8y6zYeBtpEzYVXZZ_hUFRg=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dshirley%2Bpovich%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Shirley Povich</a>, posing with a book in 1959.</p>
<p>1961 was the Redskins first in RFK (then known as D.C. Stadium). This picture shows <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=1330dba854b746c6&amp;q=dc+stadium+source:life&amp;ei=TpNaSZmJNp6MmQeE06m5Dg&amp;sig2=hydAzGjTgCGlGDqVgjcTEQ&amp;usg=__oT4Q-xYa5wOaYwku7Qqt7bJrAHg=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddc%2Bstadium%2Bsource:life%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">the structure</a> in April of the next year, as John F. Kennedy took in the first game of the Senator&#8217;s baseball season.</p>
<p>Ernie Davis was the first overall pick of the 1962 draft and the first black player to ever be under Redskins control. He was immediately traded to the Browns for Bobby Mitchell, who would become the first black player to ever actually <em>play </em>for the Redskins. Davis was diagnosed with lukemia in the summer of 1962, and never played a game for the Browns. <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=cd66314451b9dcf1&amp;q=ernie+davis+source:life&amp;ei=_UxaSZmdHKP-NN_9wdYP&amp;sig2=iIzEqHD3SfJGiP-7Mn0b_A&amp;usg=__NIccfUUjsIM_3aDBP0SgwL4AFP4=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dernie%2Bdavis%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Here</a>, Davis watches the Browns practice in October of 1962. He would pass away just seven months later.</p>
<p>Future Redskins Head Coach <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=a631e982bfb6bc27&amp;q=spurrier+source:life&amp;ei=ykRaSf6CIN3dtgfZ0vSzDg&amp;sig2=n9xZUCO0lhXE2CXQa8bVIA&amp;usg=__D67t6exKnesbDq3XqyaNtH_y8NM=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dspurrier%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">Steve Spurrier</a> runs a little Fun &#8216;n Gun of his own as a Florida Gator in 1966.</p>
<p>Not really Redskins-related, other than the fact it makes the Cowboys look like dopes, but here is <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=11d8674fd7f91640&amp;q=%22dallas+cowboys%22+source:life&amp;ei=WUdaSfOIHN3dtge20vCzDg&amp;sig2=toMft0AY1DmksFwGa3DXdw&amp;usg=__1N-wJ0USPhmCEDVC9hjfcwQNoO0=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522dallas%2Bcowboys%2522%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" target="_blank">&#8220;Dandy&#8221; Don Meredith</a> posing in a suit of armor. I&#8217;m not really sure I want to know what the story is there.</p>
<p>This 1971 picture of <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=4aaf5e8f3518c697&amp;q=colts+source:life&amp;ei=-0NaSY7JHoWFtgeNjZ2tDg&amp;sig2=yssu0jS67r7SQe75s3Y3nw&amp;usg=__3HwqgEMwyJg5X4HTFCJxfhNPzVc=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcolts%2Bsource:life%26start%3D160%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">George Allen</a> was mis-identified as taking place during a Packers and Colts game. It makes me wonder if <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=45fff96bbe55dfdc&amp;q=Green+Bay+Packers,+Baltimore+Colts+Football+source:life&amp;ei=RkRaSefBL4WFtgezjM2sDg&amp;sig2=7CkvpZ7M44yEv_9dMJwCmw&amp;usg=__KdQ4BXth1A2f6tPxF3OsbXPNz1k=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3DGreen%2BBay%2BPackers,%2BBaltimore%2BColts%2BFootball%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">this photo</a>, filed under the same set, is actually of the Redskins marching band.</p>
<p>And finally, old foe <a href="http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=fa30544a540ca74f&amp;q=angie+harmon+source:life&amp;ei=uZRaSdexOYXimQf8poGhDg&amp;sig2=RztqCvd0S_AX3PJm8dEY6w&amp;usg=__gzMCCD6bqXArlbETnrfjulk3nLc=&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dangie%2Bharmon%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den" target="_blank">Jason Sehorn</a> gives us an excuse to look at a picture of Angie Harmon.</p>
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		<title>Relative Quarterback Ratings: Honolulu Hughes to Jason Campbell</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sherman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While trying to distract myself from the fact that a Gus Frerotte vs. Norv Turner Super Bowl is still a possibility, I took a look at Sammy Baugh&#8217;s statistics. I was surprised to see his rookie season quarterback rating: 50.5, an incredibly low number by today&#8217;s standards. Even Heath Shuler (sorry, Congressman Heath Shuler) never [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While trying to distract myself from the fact that a Gus Frerotte vs. Norv Turner Super Bowl is still a possibility, I took a look at Sammy Baugh&#8217;s statistics. I was surprised to see his rookie season quarterback rating: 50.5, an incredibly low number by today&#8217;s standards. Even Heath Shuler (sorry, Congressman Heath Shuler) never posted a mark that low when he wore the burgundy and gold. Yet Baugh&#8217;s 1937 campaign was not only good enough to guide the Redskins to their first NFL Championship, but it was also good enough to lead the league in quarterback rating. 71 years ago, the league average quarterback rating was just 34.4.</p>
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<p>Quarterback ratings have been slowly rising since the game&#8217;s inception. We have reliable passing statistics dating back to 1936, and since then, the league average rating has risen from 28.9 to this season&#8217;s all-time high of 81.5. To try to get a sense of how Baugh&#8217;s 1937 season would translate into today&#8217;s passing environment, I normalized the statistic:</p>
<p>(QB rtg / Lg. avg. QB rtg) * 2008 Lg avg. QB rtg = Relative Quarterback Rating<br />
(50.5 / 34.41) * 81.5 = 119.1</p>
<p>Baugh&#8217;s 1937 season would be the equivalent of a quarterback posting a 119.1 rating today. Thanks to the wonders of Microsoft Excel, it wasn&#8217;t hard to chart each year&#8217;s starting Redskins quarterback:</p>
<p><code><strong>Year 	Redskin          	         Rtg  	LgAvg 	Ratio  adjusted for 2008</strong><br />
2008 	Campbell, Jason  	 84.3  	 81.5 	1.034  	84.3<br />
2007 	Campbell, Jason   77.6  	 80.9 	0.959  	78.2<br />
2006 	Brunell, Mark    	 86.5  	 78.5 	1.102  	89.8<br />
2005 	Brunell, Mark    	 85.9  	 78.2 	1.098  	89.5<br />
2004 	Ramsey, Patrick  	 74.8  	 80.9 	0.925  	75.4<br />
2003 	Ramsey, Patrick  	 75.8  	 76.6 	0.990  	80.6<br />
2002 	Ramsey, Patrick  	 71.8  	 78.6 	0.913  	74.4<br />
2001 	Banks, Tony      	 71.3  	 76.6 	0.931  	75.9<br />
2000 	Johnson, Brad    	 75.7  	 76.2 	0.993  	81.0<br />
1999 	Johnson, Brad    	 90.0  	 75.1 	1.198  	97.7<br />
1998 	Green, Trent     	 81.8  	 76.2 	1.073  	87.5<br />
1997 	Frerotte, Gus    	 73.8  	 75.0 	0.984  	80.2<br />
1996 	Frerotte, Gus    	 79.3  	 75.0 	1.057  	86.2<br />
1995 	Frerotte, Gus    	 70.2  	 77.5 	0.906  	73.8<br />
1994 	Shuler, Heath    	 59.6  	 76.7 	0.777  	63.3<br />
1993 	Rypien, Mark     	 56.3  	 74.7 	0.754  	61.4<br />
1992 	Rypien, Mark     	 71.7  	 72.8 	0.985  	80.2<br />
1991 	Rypien, Mark     	 97.9  	 74.2 	1.319 	107.5<br />
1990 	Rypien, Mark     	 78.4  	 75.0 	1.045  	85.2<br />
1989 	Rypien, Mark     	 88.1  	 73.3 	1.201  	98.0<br />
1988 	Williams, Doug   	 77.4  	 70.6 	1.096  	89.3<br />
1987 	Schroeder, Jay   	 71.0  	 72.6 	0.977  	79.7<br />
1986 	Schroeder, Jay   	 72.9  	 71.5 	1.019  	83.1<br />
1985 	Theismann, Joe   	 59.6  	 70.7 	0.842  	68.7<br />
1984 	Theismann, Joe   	 86.6  	 73.2 	1.183  	96.4<br />
1983 	Theismann, Joe   	 97.0  	 73.1 	1.326  108.1<br />
1982 	Theismann, Joe   	 91.3  	 70.6 	1.293 	105.4<br />
1981 	Theismann, Joe   	 77.3  	 70.5 	1.096  	89.4<br />
1980 	Theismann, Joe   	 75.2  	 71.3 	1.054  	86.0<br />
1979 	Theismann, Joe   	 83.9  	 67.8 	1.237 	100.9<br />
1978 	Theismann, Joe   	 61.6  	 62.1 	0.991  	80.8<br />
1977 	Kilmer, Billy    	         66.5  	 57.8 	 1.150  	93.8<br />
1976 	Kilmer, Billy    	         70.3  	 63.6 	1.105  	90.1<br />
1975 	Kilmer, Billy    	         77.2  	 62.8 	1.229 	100.2<br />
1974 	Kilmer, Billy     83.5  	 61.4 	1.359 	110.8<br />
1973 	Kilmer, Billy     81.3  	 61.7 	1.317 	107.4<br />
1972 	Kilmer, Billy    	         84.8  	 63.5 	1.335 	108.8<br />
1971 	Kilmer, Billy    	         74.0  	 59.3 	1.247 	101.7<br />
1970 	Jurgensen, Sonny 	 91.5  	 62.5 	1.464 	119.3<br />
1969 	Jurgensen, Sonny 	 85.4  	 68.6 	1.244 	101.5<br />
1968 	Jurgensen, Sonny 	 81.7  	 65.6 	1.245 	101.5<br />
1967 	Jurgensen, Sonny 	 87.3  	 63.7 	1.370 	111.7<br />
1966 	Jurgensen, Sonny 	 84.5  	 64.2 	1.316 	107.3<br />
1965 	Jurgensen, Sonny 	 69.6  	 70.2 	0.991  	80.8<br />
1964 	Jurgensen, Sonny 	 85.4  	 68.0 	1.255 	102.4<br />
1963 	Snead, Norm      	 58.1  	 68.4  0.849  	69.2<br />
1962 	Snead, Norm      	 74.7  	 69.4  1.076  	87.7<br />
1961 	Snead, Norm      	 51.6  	 65.2 	0.791  	64.5<br />
1960 	Guglielmi, Ralph 	 55.7  	 61.0 	0.913   74.4<br />
1959 	LeBaron, Eddie   	 54.0  	 64.1 	0.842  	68.7<br />
1958 	LeBaron, Eddie   	 83.3  	 62.8 	1.326  108.1<br />
1957 	LeBaron, Eddie   	 86.1  	 59.9 	1.437 	117.1<br />
1956 	Dorow, Al         64.2  	 57.1 	1.124  	91.6<br />
1955 	LeBaron, Eddie   	 50.5  	 54.6 	0.924  	75.4<br />
1954 	Dorow, Al         54.2   59.0 	0.918  	74.9<br />
1953 	LeBaron, Eddie   	 28.3  	 50.9 	0.555  	45.3<br />
1952 	LeBaron, Eddie   	 65.7  	 51.8 	1.268 	103.4<br />
1951 	Baugh, Sammy     	 43.8  	 52.3 	0.837  	68.3<br />
1950 	Baugh, Sammy     	 68.1  	 49.8 	1.367 	111.4<br />
1949 	Baugh, Sammy     	 81.2  	 51.2 	1.585 	129.3<br />
1948 	Baugh, Sammy     	 78.3  	 60.0 	1.305 	106.2<br />
1947 	Baugh, Sammy     	 92.0  	 57.6 	1.597 	130.0<br />
1946 	Baugh, Sammy     	 54.2  	 47.6 	1.138  	92.7<br />
1945 	Baugh, Sammy    	109.9  	 47.6 	2.308 	187.9<br />
1944 	Filchock, Frank  	 86.0  	 42.1 	2.042 	166.3<br />
1943 	Baugh, Sammy     	 78.0  	 48.6 	1.604 	130.6<br />
1942 	Baugh, Sammy     	 82.5  	 40.3 	2.047 	166.6<br />
1941 	Baugh, Sammy     	 52.2  	 39.6 	1.318 	107.3<br />
1940 	Baugh, Sammy     	 85.6  	 38.6 	2.217 	180.5<br />
1939 	Baugh, Sammy     	 52.3  	 39.7 	1.317 	107.2<br />
1938 	Baugh, Sammy      48.1  	 35.5 	1.354 	110.3<br />
1937 	Baugh, Sammy     	 50.5  	 34.5 	1.463 	119.1<br />
1936 	Battles, Cliff   	 17.1  	 28.9 	0.591  	48.2<br />
1935 	Shepherd, Bill   	 24.5  	 25.4 	0.964   78.5<br />
1934 	Hokuf, Steve     	 23.7  	 18.8 	1.260 	102.6<br />
1933 	Musick, Jim        5.4  	 26.3 	0.205  	16.7<br />
1932 	Hughes, Honolulu   5.8  	 27.2 	0.213  	17.4<br />
</code></p>
<p>A couple of things immediately stand out. First, the Boston Braves had a quarterback named Honolulu Hughes. Second, notice that while the league average quarterback rating has risen over time, it hasn&#8217;t always been a flat slope. The first time the league average broke 60.0 was 1948, yet it took another 10 years for the average rating to break that mark for good. The same thing happened in 1965, when the league average surpassed 70.0 for the first time ever. Quarterback ratings slumped back into the 60s, and it wasn&#8217;t until 1980 that ratings were back into the 70s.</p>
<p>The maximum quarterback rating is 153.8, but for this exercise, there is no reason why we can&#8217;t exceed that limit. And good thing, because Baugh broke the barrier three times by himself. Forgotten Redskin Flingin&#8217; Frank Filchock, Baugh&#8217;s understudy and teammate, also accomplished the feat.</p>
<p>The numbers illustrate how incredible Baugh&#8217;s 1945 season really was. It still stands as the highest single-season mark in franchise history, and it was done at a time when the league average was roughly half of what it is today. Plenty of other interesting oddities can be identified, including the sad fact that Heath Shuler&#8217;s 1994 season was actually a slight step up from Mark Rypien&#8217;s 1993. Also, look at how Jurgensen and Kilmer combined for ten consectuive years of 100+ relative quarterback rating from 1966-1975, yet the team produced just four playoff appearnces and zero championships. It just goes to show that the quarterback is only one guy.</p>
<p>If we sort by the normalized statistic, here would be the ten best seasons:</p>
<p><code><strong>Year 	Redskin          	         Rtg  	LgAvg 	Ratio  adjusted for 2008</strong><br />
1945 	Baugh, Sammy    	109.9  	 47.6 	2.308 	187.9<br />
1940 	Baugh, Sammy     	 85.6  	 38.6 	2.217 	180.5<br />
1942 	Baugh, Sammy     	 82.5  	 40.3 	2.047 	166.6<br />
1944 	Filchock, Frank  	 86.0  	 42.1 	2.042 	166.3<br />
1943 	Baugh, Sammy     	 78.0  	 48.6 	1.604 	130.6<br />
1947 	Baugh, Sammy     	 92.0  	 57.6 	1.597 	130.0<br />
1949 	Baugh, Sammy     	 81.2  	 51.2 	1.585 	129.3<br />
1970 	Jurgensen, Sonny 	 91.5  	 62.5 	1.464 	119.3<br />
1937 	Baugh, Sammy     	 50.5  	 34.5 	1.463 	119.1<br />
1957 	LeBaron, Eddie   	 86.1  	 59.9 	1.437 	117.1<br />
</code></p>
<p>Sammy Baugh dominates, no real shock there. I was surprised to see Eddie LeBaron sneak into the top 10. This is interesting, but in terms of seeing how a guy like Baugh might stack up against guys like Jurgensen and Theismann, a more useful number would be a career mark. To find this, I multiplied each season&#8217;s 2008-adjusted quarterback rating by passes attempted, added those numbers up, and divided the sum by career passes attempted. I didn&#8217;t bother doing this for every quarterback in team history (sorry, Jeff Rutledge) but rather the most notable and most recent:</p>
<p><code><strong>Redskin            Rtg</strong><br />
Baugh, Sammy     	126.3<br />
Jurgensen, Sonny 	104.7<br />
Kilmer, Billy    	101.9<br />
Theismann, Joe    	91.1<br />
Johnson, Brad      90.8<br />
Williams, Doug    	90.3<br />
Rypien, Mark       88.9<br />
LeBaron, Eddie    	83.7<br />
Brunell, Mark     	83.2<br />
Schroeder, Jay    	82.6<br />
Campbell, Jason   	81.0<br />
Frerotte, Gus      78.1<br />
Ramsey, Patrick   	77.9<br />
Snead, Norm       	73.6<br />
Shuler, Heath     	61.8<br />
</code></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always operated under the impression that Baugh, Jurgensen and Theismen were the three best quarterbacks in team history, in that order. I&#8217;ve always believed that Shuler was the worst, and everyone else falls somewhere in between. These rankings back up a lot of that. Baugh is in first by a wide margin, Jurgensen second, and Heath Shuler last.</p>
<p>But there are a few things that did surprise me. One was how ordinary Norm Snead was &#8211; I always thought that he was a better player (and to be fair, he did go on to have better years with the Eagles and Giants). Another is that Kilmer outpaces Theismann by a pretty substantial margin. I would guess that Kilmer gets underrated because he played with and after Jurgensen, inviting immediate comparisons. And of course, Theismann&#8217;s XVII Super Bowl ring and 1983 NFL MVP Trophy don&#8217;t hurt his cause.</p>
<p>So far, normalizing quarterback ratings appear to be a good way of comparing quarterbacks across eras. If I can compare Sammy Baugh to Sonny Jurgensen, why not to Joe Montana or Tom Brady?</p>
<p>I calculated the career numbers of all the NFL Hall of Famers, as well as the no-doubt future Hall of Famers (Manning, Brady, Favre). I also tossed in Ken Anderson, who was the league&#8217;s leader in quarterback rating four different seasons. The only other guys to accomplish that feat are Sammy Baugh, Roger Staubach, Steve Young and, depending on how you want to count AFL seasons, Len Dawson. (Of course, all those guys also won championships.):</p>
<p><code><strong>Player              Rtg</strong><br />
Clark, Dutch       	137.6<br />
Herber, Arnie       133.7<br />
Luckman, Sid       	129.0<span style="#ffcc00;"><br />
Baugh, Sammy        126.2</span><br />
Graham, Otto       	125.5<br />
Parker, Ace        	113.1<br />
Dawson, Len        	110.5<br />
Staubach, Roger    	108.9<br />
Van Brocklin, Norm  108.1<br />
Young, Steve       	105.2<br />
Montana, Joe       	103.4<br />
<span style="#ffcc00;">Jurgensen, Sonny   	102.7</span><br />
Tarkenton, Fran    	101.9<br />
Griese, Bob        	101.9<em><br />
Anderson, Ken      	101.3</em><br />
Tittle, Y.A.       	100.2<br />
Starr, Bart         	99.9<br />
Waterfield, Bob     	98.6<br />
Unitas, Johnny      	98.3<em><br />
Manning, Peyton      98.3<br />
Brady, Tom          	96.0</em><br />
Fouts, Dan          	95.5<br />
Marino, Dan         	95.3<br />
Kelly, Jim          	92.9<br />
Layne, Bobby        	91.4<em><br />
Favre, Brett         	90.6</em><br />
Bradshaw, Terry     	89.4<br />
Moon, Warren        	88.8<br />
Aikman, Troy        	88.4<br />
Namath, Joe         	88.4<br />
Elway, John         	87.7<br />
Blanda, George      	86.7<br />
</code></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot that makes sense here, especially the bottom five of Warren Moon, Troy Aikman, Joe Namath, John Elway and George Blanda. Ken Anderson stacks up nicely with the Hall of Famers. But the top is pretty worrisome. All of the pre-modern players finish in the top six. To say that I&#8217;m not ready to declare Dutch Clark as the greatest passer in football history would be an understatement.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t really seem to make a ton of sense, so let&#8217;s take a look at the single-season league leaders:</p>
<p><code><strong> Year  	League Leader       	Rtg   LgAvg 	Ratio 	adjusted for 2008</strong><br />
1934  	Herber, Arnie       	72.6  	18.8 	3.861 	314.3<br />
1935  	Danowski, Ed        	69.7   25.4 	2.744  223.4<br />
<strong>1945  	Baugh, Sammy       	109.9  	47.6 	2.308 	187.9<br />
1940  	Baugh, Sammy        	85.6  	38.6 	2.218  180.5<br />
</strong> 1943  	Luckman, Sid       	107.5  	48.6 	2.211 	180.1<br />
1942  	Isbell, Cecil        87.0  	40.3 	2.158 	175.7<br />
1941  	Isbell, Cecil       	81.4  	39.6 	2.055 	167.3<br />
<strong>1944  	Filchock, Frank     	86.0  	42.1 	2.042 	166.3</strong><br />
1936  	Herber, Arnie       	58.9  	28.9 	2.038 	165.9<br />
1933  	Newman, Harry       	51.7  	26.3 	1.965 	160.0<br />
1953  	Graham, Otto        	99.7  	50.9 	1.958 	159.4<br />
1932  	Herber, Arnie       	51.5  	27.2 	1.893 	154.1<br />
1960  	Plum, Milt         	110.4  	61.0 	1.809 	147.3<br />
1962* 	Dawson, Len         	98.3  	55.2 	1.780 	145.0<br />
1971  	Staubach, Roger    	104.8  	59.3 	1.767 	143.9<br />
1955  	Graham, Otto         94.0  	54.6 	1.721 	140.1<br />
1950  	Van Brocklin, Norm  	85.1  	49.8 	1.708 	139.1<br />
1947** Graham, Otto       	109.2  	64.5 	1.693 	137.8<br />
1966* 	Dawson, Len        	101.7  	60.6 	1.678 	136.6<br />
1949** Graham, Otto         97.5  	58.4 	1.669 	135.9<br />
1968* 	Dawson, Len          98.6  	59.5 	1.657 	134.9<br />
1949  	Thompson, Tommy     	84.4  	51.2 	1.648 	134.2<br />
1948  	Thompson, Tommy     	98.4  	60.0 	1.640 	133.5<br />
1966  	Starr, Bart         105.0  	64.2 	1.635 	133.1<br />
1976  	Stabler, Ken        103.4  	63.6 	1.625 	132.3<br />
1961* 	Blanda, George       91.3  	56.3 	1.621 	132.0<br />
1948** Albert, Frankie    	102.9  	64.2 	1.602 	130.5<br />
1959  	Conerly, Charlie   	102.7  	64.1 	1.602 	130.4<br />
<strong> 1947  	Baugh, Sammy        	92.0  	57.6 	1.597 	130.0</strong><br />
1951  	Waterfield, Bob     	81.8  	52.3 	1.564 	127.3<br />
1974  	Anderson, Ken        95.7  	61.4 	1.558 	126.9<br />
1989  	Montana, Joe       	112.4  	73.3 	1.533 	124.8<br />
1973  	Staubach, Roger     	94.6  	61.7 	1.533 	124.8<br />
1963  	Tittle, Y.A.       	104.8  	68.4 	1.532 	124.7<br />
1977  	Griese, Bob         	87.8  	57.8 	1.519 	123.6<br />
1938  	Parker, Ace*        	53.5  	35.5 	1.507 	122.7<br />
1964* 	Dawson, Len         	89.9  	59.7 	1.505 	122.6<br />
1970  	Brodie, John         93.8  	62.5 	1.500 	122.2<br />
2004  	Manning, Peyton    	121.1  	80.9 	1.496 	121.9<br />
1975  	Anderson, Ken       	93.9  	62.8 	1.495 	121.7<br />
1946  	Luckman, Sid        	71.0  	47.6 	1.491 	121.4<br />
1984  	Marino, Dan        	108.9  	73.2 	1.487 	121.1<br />
1994  	Young, Steve        112.8  	76.7 	1.470 	119.7<br />
1992  	Young, Steve       	107.0  	72.8 	1.469 	119.6<br />
1957  	Unitas, Johnny      	88.0  	59.9 	1.469 	119.6<br />
<strong> 1937  	Baugh, Sammy        	50.5  	34.5 	1.463 	119.1</strong><br />
1965* 	Dawson, Len         	81.3  	55.6 	1.462 	119.0<br />
1956  	Brown, Ed           	83.1  	57.1 	1.455 	118.5<br />
1999  	Warner, Kurt       	109.2  	75.1 	1.454 	118.4<br />
2007  	Brady, Tom         	117.2  	80.9 	1.448 	117.9<br />
1939  	Hall, Parker        	57.5  	39.7 	1.448 	117.9<br />
1961  	Wade, Billy          93.7  	65.2 	1.437 	117.0<br />
1969* 	Cook, Greg          	88.3  	61.5 	1.435 	116.9<br />
1958  	Unitas, Johnny      	90.0  	62.8 	1.433 	116.7<br />
1967* 	Dawson, Len         	83.7  	58.5 	1.430 	116.5<br />
1964  	Star, Bartt         	97.1  	68.0 	1.427 	116.2<br />
1968  	Morrall, Earl       	93.2  	65.6 	1.420 	115.6<br />
1987  	Montana, Joe       	102.1  	72.6 	1.406 	114.5<br />
1963* 	Rote, Tobin         	86.7  	62.1 	1.396 	113.6<br />
1997  	Young, Steve       	104.7  	75.0 	1.396 	113.6<br />
1981  	Anderson, Ken       	98.4  	70.5 	1.395 	113.6<br />
1998  	Cunningham, Randall 106.0  	76.2 	1.391 	113.2<br />
1965  	Unitas, Johnny      	97.4  	70.2 	1.387 	112.9<br />
1952  	Van Brocklin, Norm  	71.5  	51.8 	1.380 	112.4<br />
1988  	Esiason, Boomer     	97.4  	70.6 	1.379 	112.3<br />
1991  	Young, Steve       	101.8  	74.2 	1.371 	111.7<br />
<strong>1967  	Jurgensen, Sonny     87.3  	63.7 	1.370 	111.6</strong><br />
1978  	Staubach, Roger     	84.9  	62.1 	1.367 	111.3<br />
1954  	Burk, Adrian        	80.4  	59.0 	1.362 	110.9<br />
1979  	Staubach, Roger     	92.3  	67.8 	1.361 	110.8<br />
1985  	O'Brien, Ken        	96.2  	70.7 	1.360 	110.8<br />
1993  	Young, Steve       	101.5  	74.7 	1.358 	110.6<br />
2000  	Griese, Brian      	102.9  	76.2 	1.350 	109.9<br />
1982  	Anderson, Ken       	95.3  	70.6 	1.349 	109.9<br />
1990  	Kelly, Jim         	101.2  	75.0 	1.349 	109.8<br />
<strong>1972  	Kilmer, Billy        84.8  	63.5 	1.335 	108.7</strong><br />
1983  	Bartkowski, Steve   	97.6  	73.1 	1.335 	108.7<br />
2005  	Manning, Peyton    	104.1  	78.2 	1.331 	108.4<br />
2002  	Pennington, Chad   	104.2  	78.6 	1.325 	107.9<br />
2001  	Warner, Kurt       	101.4  	76.6 	1.323 	107.8<br />
2003  	McNair, Steve      	100.4  	76.6 	1.310 	106.7<br />
1962  	Starr, Bart         	90.7  	69.4 	1.306 	106.4<br />
1995  	Harbaugh, Jim      	100.7  	77.5 	1.299 	105.8<br />
2008  	Rivers, Phillip    	105.5  	81.4 	1.296 	105.5<br />
1996  	Young, Steve        	97.2  	75.0 	1.296 	105.5<br />
1986  	Kramer, Tommy       	92.6  	71.5 	1.295 	105.4<br />
2006  	Manning, Peyton    	101.0  	78.5 	1.286 	104.7<br />
1980  	Sipe, Brian         	91.4  	71.3 	1.281 	104.3<br />
1969  	Tarkenton, Fran      87.2  	68.6 	1.271 	103.5<br />
1946** Albert, Frankie     	69.8  	55.4 	1.259 	102.6<br />
1960* 	Tom Flores          	71.8  	59.6 	1.204  	98.1<br />
* American Football League season<br />
** All-American Football Conference season</code></p>
<p>Now this completely fails the smell test. The idea that the top ten seasons in NFL history all occurred before 1950 doesn&#8217;t make any sense. The notion that Peyton Manning&#8217;s historic 2004 season would only rank 40th in NFL history is absurd. Obviously, this system favors the older players. The early greats like Baugh and Luckman were further ahead of the curve than today&#8217;s best like Manning and Brady, but that doesn&#8217;t neccesarily mean they were better. It&#8217;s a good reminder that statistics can mislead, especially in a sport as unique and ever-changing as football.</p>
<p>But there was no way I was going come up completely empty after all this work, so I tried a different, if less scientific, exercise.  I identified the seasons in which the league-leading quarterback finished with a quarterback rating at least ten points higher than his closest competitor, not just in that same season, but also the seasons before and after. For example, Tom Brady&#8217;s 2007 (117.2) was better than any other quarterback&#8217;s 2006, 2007 and 2008:</p>
<p><code><strong>Year  Player             Rtg   Year  Next Closest          Rtg   Diff   Length </strong><br />
2007 	Brady, Tom       	117.2 	2007 	Roethlisberger, Ben 	104.1 	13.1  	3 years<br />
2004 	Manning, Peyton   121.1 	2004 	Culpepper, Daunte   	110.9 	10.2  	3 years<br />
1994 	Young, Steve*    	112.8 	1993 	Harbaugh, Jim       	100.7 	12.1   3 years<br />
1989 	Montana, Joe*    	112.4 	1990 	Kelly, Jim           101.2 	11.2  	5 years<br />
1971 	Staubach, Roger*  104.8 	1970 	Brodie, John         	93.8 	11.0   3 years<br />
1953 	Graham, Otto      	99.7 	1953 	Van Brocklin, Norm   	84.1 	15.6   2 years<br />
1945 	Baugh, Sammy*    	109.9 	1944 	Filchock, Frank      	86.0 	23.9   2 years<br />
1943 	Luckman, Sid*    	107.5 	1942 	Isbell, Cecil        	87.0 	20.5   2 years<br />
*won NFL Championship<br />
</code></p>
<p>By &#8220;length&#8221;, I mean the number of years it took for another quarterback to post a mark within ten points of the mark. For example, no quarterback got within Joe Montana&#8217;s 1989 mark of 112.4 until Steve young posted a 112.8 five years later in 1994.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a short list. The feat has only been accomplished eight times in NFL history, and never twice by the same man. Baugh had the highest &#8220;margin of victory&#8221;, but Joe Montana&#8217;s mark lasted the longest. I think if you were going to make a list of the five best single seasons, those five championship seasons would be a pretty good place to start.</p>
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<p>New to THN this year, we will be periodically releasing &#8220;retro&#8221; wallpapers of some of the Greatest Redskins.  This week, we are proud to introduce the <a href="http://www.thehogs.net/graphics/wallpapers/ken-houston-1-1024.zip">Ken Houston Wallpaper</a>.  It is also available in a <a href="http://www.thehogs.net/graphics/wallpapers/ken-houston-1-1280.zip">widescreen</a> version.</p>
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		<title>Picking Up the Torch</title>
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<p>&#8220;Just have to come back to the only online Redskins home to smile some more.</p>
<p>One game is not a season, as we all said last week, but it sure helps when that game is a win!.</p>
<p>Hail to the Redskins. Remember Gene Brito every time a DE makes a play. I wish Sammy Baugh was in good health, but at least Sonny saw the pass to Moss.</p>
<p>Slingin Sammy, The Little General, Sonny, Billy, Joe T, Doug, the Rypper: I hope we&#8217;ve seen the torch picked up.</p>
<p>Flaherty, Lombardi, Old George, Jack, Joe: one game, yes, but maybe, just maybe we&#8217;ve seen another torch picked up.</p>
<p>Trying to tone down my enthusiasm, but this is way different than a win by Spurrier. That offense was not fit for the NFL. Richie Petibon, our great defensive coordinator, stopped every Spurrier-like offense in 1991: call it Red Gun, Silver Streak, Run &amp; Shot, Floopdie Whoop or Mouse Davis&#8217;s Genius plan, but Petibon and the Redskins proved that it wouldn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Before the NFC championship game, reporters asked Petibon, &#8220;Coach, the Lions scored 45 points on the Cowboys last week. How can you possibly stop them?&#8221;</p>
<p>Petibon just said, &#8220;Oh, I don&#8217;t know, but we probably won&#8217;t try what the Cowboys did&#8221;. Just for the pleasure of remembering, and explaining to those too young to remember the Gibbs teams, Sir Charles Mann sprinted through the Lion&#8217;s right tackle, waved at Barry Sanders, and knocked QB Erik Kramer a few feet in the air&#8230;and knocked the ball about five yards away. Redskins recovered, scored on the next play, and the game was over.</p>
<p>Fun to remember.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we knew that Spurrier&#8217;s coaching in the NFL would be no more effective than Spurrier&#8217;s quarterbacking. (As Casey Stengel said, you can look it up.)</p>
<p>At the very least, thngs look better with a win than with two losses.</p>
<p>What happened to that &#8220;NFL executive&#8221; who told the Post that Campbell could only play QB for a Coryell/Gibbs/Saunders offense?&#8221;</p>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><em>GSPODS</em>: Authentic Larry Brown Washington Redskins merchandise is next to impossible to find. How would a fifty-eight year native New Yorker who became a Washington Redskins fan because of Larry Brown obtain a signed jersey, helmet or football? Is there a specific charity or company you work with?I relive the 1972 NFL season in my head every year. I have to, because even NFL Films doesn’t seem to have a Larry Brown MVP film. I’d like my two young boys to see on film what I only see in memory. Do you have any suggestions?</span></span></div>
<p><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">What would you most like people to know about Larry Brown outside of football?</p>
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<p>What music CD(s) never leaves your vehicle?</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Larry Brown</em>: I would be happy to personalize an autograph picture or any football memorabilia. You can send it to my attention at NAI Michael Companies, Inc. (4640 Forbes Boulevard, Suite 300, Lanham, Maryland 20706). Currently, I am a Commercial Real Estate Broker with this company and in my spare time I support the Prince George’s County Special Olympics.</p>
<p>Regarding NFL footage, I would suggest you contact NFL Films and request the Washington Redskins highlight films from 1969-73. I sure you and your sons will enjoy them, especially the 1972 season. The contact information is below:</p>
<p>NFL Films<br />
One NFL Plaza,<br />
Mt. Laurel, New Jersey 08054<br />
Voice mail: 856-638-6843<br />
Fax: 856-638-0139</p>
<p>I am a jazz and rhythm &amp; blues (oldies) enthusiast. I can’t drive my car without listening to Peter White, George Benson, The Temptations and Four Tops. I also exercise every day, enjoy watching mystery movies, playing golf, keeping up with the stock market and following politics.</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>DEHog</em>: What RB’s do you like to watch in todays NFL and is there one who reminds you of yourself??</p></blockquote>
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<p><em>LB</em>: Clinton Portis, Brian Westbrook, Steven Jackson, Adrian Peterson, LaDainian Tomlinson are the RBs I enjoy watching perform. Clinton is the one that bears a resemblance to me because he’s an all-purpose back who is tough and can play every down, if necessary.</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>Jake</em>: THANK YOU MR. BROWN! Your time is very much appreciated here.</p>
<p>I actually have two-questions.</p>
<p>What were your interpretations of Vince Lombardi before he came to D.C.?</p>
<p>And what is the most memorable thing you learned from him during his one season here?</p></blockquote>
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<p><em>LB</em>: I read Lombardi as a Field General, like George C. Scott’s portrayal of Patton, with vast leadership, motivational skills and a tremendous thirst for perfection.</p>
<p>Lombardi made punctuality a very important issue at all times. I understood his message to mean that a person should place the same value on other people’s time as placed on theirs. I have practice this so long that it’s now habitual for me on a daily basis.</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>Fios</em>: Aside from the jaw-dropping contracts, is there any aspect of today’s NFL that you prefer when compared with your era, and vice-versa?</p>
<p>What is your take on the efforts (both by the players and the league) to assist ex-players struggling with complications from their injuries?</p></blockquote>
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<p><em>LB</em>: Free agency would have been nice to experience during my era although I realize the team/fan loyalty diminishes to some degree under this condition. But maybe not nearly as much, since the NFL televisions contracts weren’t as large as they are today. Furthermore, this additional leverage would have allowed us to increase our monetary value a little more relative to punishment our bodies received.</p>
<p>It also would be interesting to see the game played today with many of the rules that existed in my era, such as, the crack back block and chop block. Also, I would include the rule that prevented the offensive lineman, while pass blocking, from having their hands outside of their shoulders. I think this makes the game tougher, the way I like it.</p>
<p>I think both the players and owners are moving in the right direction. However, I would like to see the pace increased substantially because many players are hurting with injuries sustained from playing football and need instant assistance now.</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>Warmother</em>: Who was the hardest hitting player you went against? Hit’s in practice also count.</p></blockquote>
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<p><em>LB</em>: Willie Lanier (MLB, Kansas City Chiefs) and Dave Wilcox (OLB, San Francisco 49ers) hit me the hardest.</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>KazooSkinsFan</em>: When I was a kid in Michigan and realized my local team was the Lions, there was a point I could have gone either way between the Redskins and the Cowboys. Just the thought makes me shudder even today. Fortunately, in all seriousness, I had a Larry Brown poster on my wall and turned out all right. But how do we make sure kids don’t make the wrong choices in life? Things like booze, cigarettes and the Dallas Cowboys?</p></blockquote>
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<p><em>LB</em>: Many teens and adolescents act out as a result of peer pressure and the need to feel accepted by their peers. On the other hand, there are kids who have the ability to draw the line, because they know if they do something wrong they will have to face the consequences of their actions. Most likely they benefited from having strong parents and role models, such as teachers and counselors who were involved in their growth and development. By instilling in them good morals and values and demonstrating that we care, we can each help build their confidence levels so that they are encouraged to make the right decisions for their lives. As for growing up a Dallas Cowboy fan, there’s no remedy for a misguided childhood.</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>yupchagee</em>: What is your most memorable moment as a player?</p></blockquote>
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<p><em>LB</em>: I would have to say being named the NFL 1972 MVP.</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>KazooSkinsFan</em>: The Vince Lombardi story with the hearing was a great story. Is it reallly true that he personnally figured out you were deaf in one ear? Is there a story behind the story?</p>
<p>Football was hugely popular in the 70s and you were certainly one of the real stars of the era. But as JansenFan pointed out there were not multi-million dollar contracts then. I&#8217;m curious if the generations that came after yours who owe you a great debt of gratitude for paving the way pay that debt. Do they recognize what you and your generation did for them?</p>
<p>Who are some of the most personally interesting people you knew in the NFL?</p>
<p>How do the players feel when all the massive cuts come toward the end of training camp? Obviously it&#8217;s a competitive business, but it has to be hard from an emotional standpoint. Players are your friends, competitors, teammates and it&#8217;s their dream to play in the NFL, which suddenly gets fulfilled or crushed.</p></blockquote>
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<p><em>LB</em>: It’s true. Vince figured it out. One day while watching game footage in slow motion, he asked me why I was late moving on the snap count. I told him I had difficulty reading the defensive alignments. I thought my answer would satisfy his curiosity and put the issue to rest. Later in the week, I was sitting in front of my locker at RFK Stadium when I saw two men approaching me in long white coats and I said to myself, “What could I have done to deserve this kind of treatment?” I remember thinking “St. Elizabeth Hospital (insane asylum) here I come!” Fortunately for me, these men were there to give me a hearing examination, which confirmed that I was deaf in one ear. Shortly thereafter, Vince got permission from the NFL Commissioner to install a hearing aid in my helmet. The day we tested it, he asked me to put the helmet on and go to the other side of the locker room. He said, “Larry can you hear me?” I said, “Coach I have NEVER had any trouble hearing you.” We had a good laugh and the rest is history!</p>
<p>I believe the new generation does realize the contribution we have made to the game and how it has positively benefited them. As a result of their efforts, many of us former players have received an increase in our pension benefits, participate in a discounted prescription drug program and are waiting for details on a health insurance program. So, to date there has been some recognition, but not nearly as much as our contribution has done for them.</p>
<p>One player that comes to mind is Duane Thomas. Most people probably remember him as being problematic and difficult to coach, but I think this was his way of getting even with the NFL for a wrong he felt they inflicted on him. I sensed that he was extremely bright and knew exactly what he was doing. I remember during an interview he was asked, “What it was like to play in the ultimate game (Super Bowl)?” He said, “If it’s the ultimate game, why do they play it every year?” Duane is currently an artist and doing very well on the west coast.</p>
<p>Obviously, getting cut in training camp at any given time is not a good feeling. My suggestion, although it’s difficult, is to not get too complacent and focus on working hard and making the team. The reality is that people get fired every day and then move on to possibly better opportunities. The same holds true for athletes in sports.</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>NC43Hog</em>: Thanks for being such a great running back and idol of mine as a youngster.</p>
<p>December 16, 1973 &#8211; Philly at RFK and it was snowing (how perfect is that). This game was maybe one of your best ever &#8211; 4 touchdowns (3 through the air), 150 yards on the ground and the win (38-20) clinched a wild card playoff birth.</p>
<p>Did your linemen really have to carry you back to the huddle after each run, or was that just a ploy to sucker the defense? Which ever it was, it worked &#8211; you saved your energy for the runs and had an awesome day.</p>
<p>What was the coaching style differences between Allen ang Lombardi? Of the modern day coaches, who would you have liked to play for?</p>
<p>Thanks for the memories.</p></blockquote>
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<p><em>LB</em>: Thanks for bringing back those great memories!</p>
<p>The offensive lineman never had to carry me back to the huddle, but I took the “beltway” back, which allowed me to get a breather so I could carry the football again.</p>
<p>Vince Lombardi’s approach was direct in your face, like George C. Scott’s portrayal of Patton. George Allen’s was less confrontational and focused on incentives to motivate his players.</p>
<p>Regarding modern day coaches, it would have been a pleasure to play for Tony Dungy, Bill Belichick and possibly Andy Reid.</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>GSPODS</em>: A final thank you and a promise I’ll be annoying the veterans committee on your behalf for induction and enshrinement in the Hall Of Fame. Now that the pencil pushers have come around on Art Monk, it’s time to right several other wrongs, beginning with #43.<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span></p></blockquote>
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<div><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><em>LB</em>: Your support is very much appreciated! Thank you.</span></span></div>
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