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Postby SkinsFreak » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:30 am

PulpExposure wrote:They also said they were getting back to "Redskins" football,


That is also correct. The combination of both limited the number of pass plays. I think they will open it up a little more this year, however, which they should. We have something here Saunders didn't have in KC; a QB with a big arm and a set of solid receivers. I'm really excited about this offense this year.

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Postby BossHog » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:03 am

Gibbs4Life wrote:
Yeah... we need five big receiving targets in a run-based offense


Saunders offense is run based? I guess I missed all those I-formations he had marshall faulk running out of...wait that's right OUR OFFENSE IS A PASSING OFFENSE. Only reason we still run is to set up big pass plays, gone are the days of 50 gut.


Sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about Saunders offense circa 1999. I thought we were talking about Saunders' offense in Washington - which last year was mostly run-based... even before CP got hurt.

I'm not for one second disputing that Saunders has used the pass more in the past, but last year he didn't. I think as long as Gibbs is around that you'll see that stay the same.

I personally don't foresee drastic changes to the offense in 2007, so with CP and Betts, I'd expect to still see an awful lot of running.

With Moss, Lloyd, A.R.E and Cooley, I also personally think that we have all the offensive weapons that we have room for under the cap.

Taking a chance on a HUGE contract for an UNPROVEN rookie wide receiver seems like about the worst possible move that we could make right now IMO... that isn't just about personnel, it's about salary cap, chemistry, player egos, and bigger needs.
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Postby Fios » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:53 am

Plus Saunders clearly wasn't a fan of the run in KC as the stats reflect:

2001: 6th in the NFL

2002: 3rd in the NFL

2003: 15th in the NFL

2004: 5th in the NFL

2005: 4th in the NFL

An average ranking of around 7th in the league clearly means he abhors the run.
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Postby SkinsJock » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:03 am

Apart from the reasons given above - Gibbs has indicated that the 2 things he would like to base this team on are establishing the run and stopping the run.

I agree with BH about the WRs we have, apart from the cap room IMO these guys can get it done effectively. We really do not need to add any depth at this time. I think we will see a very good balance from both the backs and receiving group this year.


I think that Johnson is going to be special I just do not see that happening in a B&G uni.
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Postby Redskin in Canada » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:40 am

What is wrong with most of you people??? :shock:

I almost agree with the orginal poster in this thread! :shock:

I do -hope- that Calvin drops to the 6th Pick. The only difference would be then that I would be delighted to consider -ALL- the options available all of the sudden to TRADE DOWN. ROTFALMAO

I'd be very greedy, 1st and two 2nd round pick-greedy. :twisted:
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Postby Chris Luva Luva » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:45 am

While I'd love to have CJ (was a Mike Williams supporter), I know he won't drop to us and it's not a position of need... I would like to have a tall WR like Colston of the Saints and like Colston we'd be better off getting one late in the draft....if we had enough picks to do so. Maybe next year.

Hopefully Brandon will light it up this year, his leaping ability kinda evens things out, plus we have Cooley.
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Postby Gibbs4Life » Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:05 pm

The main reason I think there is a chance we make a play for Calvin is WE NEED A RECIEVER WHO IS CLUTCH IN THE RED ZONE. As of now I can't remember the last time Moss caught a td pass with the line of scrimmage inside the 30.
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Postby DaRealistJoka » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:12 pm

I hope this dont happen

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/ ... id=2846177

Although it's a long shot, there are some whispers of the Redskins trading away next year's first-round pick (and possibly more) in order to move up for WR Johnson.

This rest for those who dont have Insider


6. Washington (5-11)
Projected pick: Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
Needs: DT, DE, G, S, CB, WR, OLB, QB, TE
• Washington's No. 1 priority is to trade out of the No. 6 spot. Regardless of where they pick, the Redskins should be in search for the best available defensive lineman (DT or DE) after setting a franchise record with only 19 sacks and finishing 27th versus the run in 2006.
• Trading back is the smartest play for the Skins, as they currently are without picks in the second, third and fourth rounds. Moving back would allow them to recoup some of those picks, while still getting a very good value on one of the top defensive linemen. The Vikings (No. 7) and Dolphins (No. 9) are potential trade partners if Quinn is still on the board. The Texans (No. 10), Bills (No. 12) and Packers (No. 16) would be possible suitors if Peterson is available.
• If stuck at No. 6 with DE Adams already off the board, DT Okoye becomes the next-best option. The 19-year-old has bulked up to 300-plus pounds and ran the 40 in the 4.8-second range at an on-campus workout.
• Although it's a long shot, there are some whispers of the Redskins trading away next year's first-round pick (and possibly more) in order to move up for WR Johnson.
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Postby RayNAustin » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:24 pm

I would love to see us trade up for Calvin Johnson. This guy is gonna be a pro bowler, and opposite Moss, we'd likely be looking at two #1 receivers.

For those who say we need D-line help, they are correct. But ask Chicago what a high powered offense can do against the best defense in the league?

CJ has Moss speed, yet is a big receiver that can be that possession type, red zone scoring machine that the Redskins desperately need.

I think the defense will do just fine this year with what they've already got. Keep in mind that PP will be back at safety, Fletcher in the middle, Rocky sharing time with Marshall , and Smoot back in the mix. Carter found his game late last year and will have an outstanding 2007.

Let's add that final touch on an offense that could be a force with two deep threats on the outside preventing teams from stacking 8 in the box and doubling Moss on the outside.

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Postby skinsfan#33 » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:03 pm

I wouldn't take CJ at #6 let alone trading up to #2! Even if he end up being as good as Larry Fitzgerald (I doubt he will - these "experts" are almost never right about WRs) he won't help us as much as Moving down and taking a DE or DT or even a safety or corner. How many games have the Cards won with Boldin (2nd rounder) and Fitzgerald? How much did the "can't miss" Brayland Edwards help the Browns or Mike Williams, Roggers, Roy Williams help the Lions. Only an idiot wastes a top 10 pick on a WR (yes, Im' talking to you Mr. Millen).
Reggie Wayne would just be another OK WR without Peyton and Marvin and he was a late first rounder.
I challenge anyone to name a 1st round WR that has been an impact player his first year and continued to contribute for at least five years. Give me one in the last two decades!
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Postby SkinsJock » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:27 pm

This is the week to do it - let's get Johnson! - We could trade the 6 pick plus Campbell to the Raiders - take Johnson and let Brunell (Gibbs real favorite!) have the option of 2 great backs and 2 great WRs - this is brilliant :lol: - Oh! the defense? - we don't need any players on defense! The guys we have now will be fine! Just tell Williams to "coach 'em up" - if he can't do it we don't need him either - brilliant! :wink:




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Postby SkinsJock » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:36 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:I wouldn't take CJ at #6 let alone trading up to #2! Even if he end up being as good as Larry Fitzgerald (I doubt he will - these "experts" are almost never right about WRs) he won't help us as much as Moving down and taking a DE or DT or even a safety or corner. How many games have the Cards won with Boldin (2nd rounder) and Fitzgerald? How much did the "can't miss" Brayland Edwards help the Browns or Mike Williams, Roggers, Roy Williams help the Lions. Only an idiot wastes a top 10 pick on a WR (yes, Im' talking to you Mr. Millen).
Reggie Wayne would just be another OK WR without Peyton and Marvin and he was a late first rounder.
I challenge anyone to name a 1st round WR that has been an impact player his first year and continued to contribute for at least five years. Give me one in the last two decades!


How bout them Vikings? they had Carter AND Moss - fat lot of good that did! Owens is regarded as the best, and, just how many rings does that guy have with some pretty good QBs?

BTW - I think the Edwards that is a WR is Braylon? Maybe this "Brayland" guy is even better? Is the WR Roggers even playing anymore?
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Postby RayNAustin » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:40 pm

Let me say something about this nonsense regarding receivers being a bad 1st round choice:

2005 Probowl receivers: 4 of the 8 were 1st round picks (Marvin Harrison, Larry Fitzgerald, Torry Holt, Santana Moss), 4 out of 8.

The only positions that accounted for more probowlers was OT (6 of 6 were 1st round picks) and RB (5 of 6)

Now lets compare that to DE. Only 2 out of 6 DE's were first rounders, and DT (3 of 6)

This would seem to dispell the idea that DE's are more of a sure thing than receivers.

People say that WR only get 6, 8, maybe 10 touches per game, so their impact on the field does not justify a 1st round pick. Bull. Tell that to San Fran and Jerry Rice, or the Rams and Holt.

From what I can see, picking offense in the 1st (QB's, RB's, WR's and OT's) are every bit as good of a bet as picking a d-lineman in the first round.

Additionally, just speaking about the Redskins here, name me one player that had more of an impact on the field in 2005 than Santana Moss? Do you think we would have made the playoffs without Santana? I don't think so.

Last year, Santana was doubled and trippled, limiting his production. With a Calvin Johnson lining up on the other side, defenses just won't be able to do that .

If I were GM, I wouldn't hesitate to trade up to pick CJ. Trade our 1 pick, plus #1 2008 to Detroit for their #1 and either #2 or #3 this year where we could still get a good value defensive pick.

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Postby PulpExposure » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:47 pm

RayNAustin wrote:If I were GM, I wouldn't hesitate to trade up to pick CJ. Trade our 1 pick, plus #1 2008 to Detroit for their #1 and either #2 or #3 this year where we could still get a good value defensive pick.


But that won't be the trade. It'd be our 1st this year AND next year, for the 2nd pick in the draft.

Remember, this year's 2nd round pick is equivalent to a 1st rounder next year in value.

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Postby skinsfan#33 » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:07 pm

RayNAustin wrote:Let me say something about this nonsense regarding receivers being a bad 1st round choice:

2005 Probowl receivers: 4 of the 8 were 1st round picks (Marvin Harrison, Larry Fitzgerald, Torry Holt, Santana Moss), 4 out of 8.


one went to the Super bowl and the other 3 didn't even make the playoffs (yeah, they helped their team)

RayNAustin wrote:Now lets compare that to DE. Only 2 out of 6 DE's were first rounders, and DT (3 of 6)


I would prefer a DT

RayNAustin wrote:People say that WR only get 6, 8, maybe 10 touches per game, so their impact on the field does not justify a 1st round pick. Bull. Tell that to San Fran and Jerry Rice, or the Rams and Holt.


Rice wouldn't have made a difference on the Skins in the mid 90s. The team still would have been bad! And Holt's Rams are bad (Steven Jackson, not Holt killed the Skins last year - It sure would have been nice to have someone that could have helped keep him under 200 yards)

RayNAustin wrote:Additionally, just speaking about the Redskins here, name me one player that had more of an impact on the field in 2005 than Santana Moss? Do you think we would have made the playoffs without Santana? I don't think so.


CP made more of a difference. Boonell actually playing like an NFL QB made a difference and the defense made a difference. I would agree that he was a large part of the success, but I still think we would have made it without him.


RayNAustin wrote:If I were GM, I wouldn't hesitate to trade up to pick CJ. Trade our 1 pick, plus #1 2008 to Detroit for their #1 and either #2 or #3 this year where we could still get a good value defensive pick.


So now you want Detroit to move down for nothing! If they give us their 2nd rounder this year that equates out to a 08 1st round pick, so we would have went from #6 to #2 for essentially nothing. Yeah, I would do that and then trade down to #8 - #12 and pick up another 2nd, but I would in no way use TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS on a WR. That is just ludicrous![/quote]
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