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Should we scratch Sean Taylor?

Postby ANT7088 » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:11 am

I don't know what's going on, but I'm starting to scratch Sean Taylor off the list (which really sucks), with the way FA has been (I don't think Griffin & Daniels are the only solutions to our DL problems). Ohalete & Bowen gave alot less problems last year than our DL did. Right now our line is Upshaw, Griffin,(maybe) Noble/Hosley and Daniels/Wynn. That's a little better than last year, but not much better. We need a pass-rushing DE or DT alot more than Safety. I was all for Taylor until I really thought, that DL with a great Safety? We will have big problems. If we leave Bowen & Ohalete and add a pass-rusher with the 1st pick, our D will be alot more solid. I think trading down a few spots is the best way to go, we need to get another pick in the 2nd or 3rd round.
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Postby redskincity » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:15 am

I dont we should scratch him. I dont want to face this dude twice a year. We already are up againt some stiff comp this coming year.
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Postby Chris Luva Luva » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:25 am

We need him. I hope we get him. We can get him and a decent end.

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Postby hkiss444 » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:30 am

Taylor is going to be an All Pro in the NFL. The skins passed on Ed Reed a few years ago; and Taylor is better then Reed. Bowen and Ohalette are solid safeties but will never be all pros. Having Taylor to go along with Smoot and Springs would really help sure up the Defensive backfield.

With that being said, if they can trade down and still get one of the big DTs, Harris or Wilfork and another 1st or 2nd rounder that is too tempting for a team that needs to build with the draft. 3 picks last year and 2 this year will hurt that much more come 2006.

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Postby redskins56 » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:48 am

it's official, scratch him off of the wish list. Any chance we had of getting him vanished when we gave the Broncos the second rounder for Champ, because that ensured that we are going to trade down for more picks...

He's going to be very good, yes, but we have two respectbale starters. We need d-lineman, which is what we'll get.

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Postby skinsfaninroanoke » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:52 am

There is another safety coming along next year who the experts say would hand Taylor his lunch - I heard it on one of the radio shows before Boss got on there... not the same show, but the archive is gone....

They talked Taylor, then this other kid who went back to finish his senior season...

I like someone who stays in school - good priorities. Supposedly a better athlete. Supposedly a better DB and hitter.

Save the money this year to fix the WORST problem... the DL
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Postby redskincity » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:54 am

We have to wait and see. I heard the same hype about Doss last year :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby skinsfaninroanoke » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:06 pm

I agree - and Doss is good - he played well for the Colts. I still don't see paying a safety top 10 money when the line is such a problem.

We can't count on Wynn, Upshaw and Noble unless Griffin and Daniels, Washington and Arrington make that much of a difference to free them up. That is what I am hoping will happen, but having someone like Wilfork/Starks/Udeze will make a huge difference when Taylor might make a difference. What good does it have getting a safety when we get burnt for 127 yards rushing and open ourselves to play action (again)? We got killed by that last year - the safeties cinching up to stop the run and getting caught with their pants around their ankles when Edwards had them playing run support - bam - play action, deep pass.

Sorry to say he might be all that you guys are saying he is, but he isn't the answer. Build the core line and watch the entire defense get better. Put a safety in, and he takes away one player on the offense.

It doesn't add up in my opinion.
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Postby Redskins4Life » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:10 pm

We should NOT scratch Taylor off. For the simple reason that Taylor will be a guaranteed All-Pro in this league from day 1. Also, our secondary needs help with the departure of Bailey. Springs is great when healthy, but that is a huge concern. He hasn't really been healthy since his pro bowl season in 1998. I'm praying that we sign Marcellus Wiley/Bert Berry just so our DL status sounds like a good DLine, and convince Gibbs to draft Taylor. If we cant grab one of those two, then maybe Daryl Gardner after June when he gets cut by Denver. We need Taylor very bad, and we should not dismiss the possibility of drafting the next Ronnie Lott just because theres a little question mark in our DL situation. It will get better, we're only a few days into Free Agency, give it some time and we will find a good defensive lineman.

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Postby cjpck44 » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:18 pm

I love Taylor but here's two things that I've always heard around the football field.

Pressure=Picks.

Guys can only cover receivers for 4 to 5 seconds max, no matter how good they are.

Taylor may be the best player in the draft, but right now we needs some pressure.
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Postby skinsfaninroanoke » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:22 pm

I am sorry, but guarantees in the draft are like mirages in a desert. A lot of people thought the same about several of our first rounders over the years and they plain downright sucked.

I don't believe we should take him just because we believe he will be guaranteed anything. His workout, which due to reading about it in several places I now believe, stunk the place up with being out of shape and making excuses for it.

I would rather have a Wilfork/Starks in the lineup - Wilfork got his weight under control and worked out very hard and didn't sit on his first round laurels like Taylor did.

Taylor won't help cover the WRs Springs will be unless it is deep help or coming in underneath cause he doesn't have anyone else to cover.

Champ was pro bowl and got burnt pretty badly in several games, some of which made a difference.

DL stops the run and rushes the passer making the ENTIRE defense better, not just shutting one guy down. A good pash rush can make a good back better. A bad pass rush can make the best back look like a bum. (hmm.. nice sig line)

If the opponents run all over us, it wouldn't do us much good to have Taylor making splendid hits in the secondary - that is too late. We need beef... and we need it now to move to the next level.

Without looking them up, can you name any of our safeties on the three superbowl teams and tell me if any were Pro Bowl? Not being nasty, just trying to prove a point....

Now then - who were our DLinemen? :)

I can name all but one or two at the most. I can't remember for the life of me the names of the safeties - I have educated guesses, but I don't know for sure...
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Postby Redskins4Life » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:38 pm

Our new RB Clinton Portis was asked who he thinks the Skins should draft? He replied...
"Sean Taylor, Sean Taylor, Sean Taylor, Sean Taylor...!"
Hopefully Portis can give his 2 cents to Gibbs, and Gibbs will say, "Okay, Clinton knows what hes talking about". And then we draft Sean Taylor.

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Postby SkinsJock » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:38 pm

This in response to The Analyzer - That's true... but Mr Lott sure helped that defence.
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We are lucky to have Cousins - Griffin will become the better QB as he learns to use the pocket & read defenses

Until then, I hope that Cousins takes full advantage of this opportunity

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Postby Redskins4Life » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:39 pm

Yes Skins Jock, Lott helped out that defense big time. Sean Taylor will do the same.

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Postby SkinsJock » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:49 pm

R4life: I also am an advocate to be better this year BUT I am encouraged that from what Joe has said - he sees a very good team for the next few years! We have to walk before we can run.... and we have to get better next year but I do not think we should lose an opportunity to get a potential like ST! I am also hoping the "the master plan" has contigencies when the players you wanted went elsewhere.
We have to let this develop a little more and have faith that Joe is in charge and he is being advised by some very good people.
We are lucky to have Cousins - Griffin will become the better QB as he learns to use the pocket & read defenses

Until then, I hope that Cousins takes full advantage of this opportunity

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