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Mel Kiper's First Mock Draft

Postby CanesSkins26 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:11 pm

Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


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Postby PulpExposure » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:52 pm

While I actually think Bradford is a good pick at 4...and I think he has a ton of potential to be a great NFL QB (he's smart and he's accurate, and has a good enough arm).

I wouldn't hate the pick, and I'd even understand it. I just think he may die behind our miserable o-line.

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Re: Mel Kiper's First Mock Draft

Postby brad7686 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:20 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4841432


I wouldn't call the Cutler pick a victory just yet.

Bradford isn't the pick. There will be better, non-fragile qb's next year. Take Okung.
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Re: Mel Kiper's First Mock Draft

Postby CanesSkins26 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:13 pm

brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4841432


I wouldn't call the Cutler pick a victory just yet.

Bradford isn't the pick. There will be better, non-fragile qb's next year. Take Okung.


Not saying we should or shouldn't draft Bradford, but he certainly isn't fragile. He had one injury (sprained AC joint) during his time at Oklahoma. Brees had a much more serious shoulder injury. Is he fragile? Rivers tore his ACL. Is he fragile? This is football, injuries are going to happen. It's not like Bradford got lightly touched and got hurt. He had his shoulder drive into the ground on a turf field.
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Re: Mel Kiper's First Mock Draft

Postby PulpExposure » Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:06 pm

brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4841432


I wouldn't call the Cutler pick a victory just yet.


2 first rounds for him is a victory, though ;)

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Re: Mel Kiper's First Mock Draft

Postby brad7686 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:38 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4841432


I wouldn't call the Cutler pick a victory just yet.


2 first rounds for him is a victory, though ;)


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Re: Mel Kiper's First Mock Draft

Postby brad7686 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:11 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4841432


I wouldn't call the Cutler pick a victory just yet.

Bradford isn't the pick. There will be better, non-fragile qb's next year. Take Okung.


Not saying we should or shouldn't draft Bradford, but he certainly isn't fragile. He had one injury (sprained AC joint) during his time at Oklahoma. Brees had a much more serious shoulder injury. Is he fragile? Rivers tore his ACL. Is he fragile? This is football, injuries are going to happen. It's not like Bradford got lightly touched and got hurt. He had his shoulder drive into the ground on a turf field.


Possibly, but I'm not sure how smart it is to put an average sized, average mobility, rookie qb behind one of the worst O-lines in the history of football when he is coming off a pretty bad shoulder injury.
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Postby The Hogster » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:57 pm

Wait now that Shanahan is the leader of the Redskins, who will he jerk out of draft picks now??? smh
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Re: Mel Kiper's First Mock Draft

Postby VetSkinsFan » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:35 am

brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4841432


I wouldn't call the Cutler pick a victory just yet.

Bradford isn't the pick. There will be better, non-fragile qb's next year. Take Okung.


Not saying we should or shouldn't draft Bradford, but he certainly isn't fragile. He had one injury (sprained AC joint) during his time at Oklahoma. Brees had a much more serious shoulder injury. Is he fragile? Rivers tore his ACL. Is he fragile? This is football, injuries are going to happen. It's not like Bradford got lightly touched and got hurt. He had his shoulder drive into the ground on a turf field.


Possibly, but I'm not sure how smart it is to put an average sized, average mobility, rookie qb behind one of the worst O-lines in the history of football when he is coming off a pretty bad shoulder injury.


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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:21 am

PulpExposure wrote:I just think he may die behind our miserable o-line.

When the pick description uses the words "when healthy" it's particularly scary
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Postby langleyparkjoe » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:12 am

The Hogster wrote:Wait now that Shanahan is the leader of the Redskins, who will he jerk out of draft picks now??? smh


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Re: Mel Kiper's First Mock Draft

Postby CanesSkins26 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:31 am

brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4841432


I wouldn't call the Cutler pick a victory just yet.

Bradford isn't the pick. There will be better, non-fragile qb's next year. Take Okung.


Not saying we should or shouldn't draft Bradford, but he certainly isn't fragile. He had one injury (sprained AC joint) during his time at Oklahoma. Brees had a much more serious shoulder injury. Is he fragile? Rivers tore his ACL. Is he fragile? This is football, injuries are going to happen. It's not like Bradford got lightly touched and got hurt. He had his shoulder drive into the ground on a turf field.


Possibly, but I'm not sure how smart it is to put an average sized, average mobility, rookie qb behind one of the worst O-lines in the history of football when he is coming off a pretty bad shoulder injury.


You're assuming that (1) Bradford would start week 1 and that (2) we wouldn't be able to improve our line if we didn't draft Okung in the first. I don't think that either one of those assumptions is accurate.
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Re: Mel Kiper's First Mock Draft

Postby skinsfan#33 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:49 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4841432


I wouldn't call the Cutler pick a victory just yet.

Bradford isn't the pick. There will be better, non-fragile qb's next year. Take Okung.


Not saying we should or shouldn't draft Bradford, but he certainly isn't fragile. He had one injury (sprained AC joint) during his time at Oklahoma. Brees had a much more serious shoulder injury. Is he fragile? Rivers tore his ACL. Is he fragile? This is football, injuries are going to happen. It's not like Bradford got lightly touched and got hurt. He had his shoulder drive into the ground on a turf field.


Possibly, but I'm not sure how smart it is to put an average sized, average mobility, rookie qb behind one of the worst O-lines in the history of football when he is coming off a pretty bad shoulder injury.


You're assuming that (1) Bradford would start week 1 and that (2) we wouldn't be able to improve our line if we didn't draft Okung in the first. I don't think that either one of those assumptions is accurate.


I agree. I think we will fiercely go after FA OL this year and that starts with attempting to sign our own, Levi Jones. I could see him at RT until we get a replacement. We can't draft all new starter at OL.

Idealy I would love to get a LT, Rt and RG in free agency but that is just wishful thinking. If we sign Jones and a FA OG that would give us the option of the best QB or LT at #4. I personally think you take the LT at #4 and the QB at #37.

There are TOO MANY questions with the QBs in this draft to take one that high, but come hell or high water I think you need to draft one day 1 of the draft.

I would love to trade down from #4, but no one wants to move up into the top 5 anymore. And if they are really that hot for a certain player then maybe we should consider the guy. There are only two spot (other then ST) that you have to rule out for #4 and that is RB and WR.

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Re: Mel Kiper's First Mock Draft

Postby brad7686 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:59 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4841432


I wouldn't call the Cutler pick a victory just yet.

Bradford isn't the pick. There will be better, non-fragile qb's next year. Take Okung.


Not saying we should or shouldn't draft Bradford, but he certainly isn't fragile. He had one injury (sprained AC joint) during his time at Oklahoma. Brees had a much more serious shoulder injury. Is he fragile? Rivers tore his ACL. Is he fragile? This is football, injuries are going to happen. It's not like Bradford got lightly touched and got hurt. He had his shoulder drive into the ground on a turf field.


Possibly, but I'm not sure how smart it is to put an average sized, average mobility, rookie qb behind one of the worst O-lines in the history of football when he is coming off a pretty bad shoulder injury.


You're assuming that (1) Bradford would start week 1 and that (2) we wouldn't be able to improve our line if we didn't draft Okung in the first. I don't think that either one of those assumptions is accurate.


Well, If we don't get McNeill, I don't see how the pass protection is going to improve that much without taking an OT first round. I'm not saying Bradford will get injured, but the Skins have enough people with injury problems as it is. They almost need to make immaculate health a prerequisite. I don't think they should take a qb, but I would definitely take Claussen first.
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Postby SkinsJock » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:21 pm

I would expect us to draft Bradford if the guys in charge here think he can be a really good QB - I do not think we are going to get a better chance or have a top 10 pick again for many years

I do not think that Bradford is at all injury prone and I'm sure they will not use him until they have prepared him mentally and physically to play - this is a huge decision, if it is made - they understand they cannot miss on taking a QB at #4

I don't see a Samuels type of offensive lineman available and that is the only thing we need right now - we need to rebuild our offensive line and that will take a lot longer than many here are going to like but that is the most difficult group to have playing really well together

so ....... IF we cannot find a guy that can be a part of a really good offensive line for 10-12 years AND we have a shot at a really good QB for our future we have to take him

I'll put it another way - I'm not worried about Bradford physically, I just think we need a really good O line and that is going to take a while BUT at some time we are also going to want to have a really good QB and this guy might be that in a few years - Bradford has all the attributes and I have a feeling that Shanahan will make him into a really good QB that Kyle will utilize as he did with Staub this past year
Getting our QB back will help a lot but we still have a lot of issues to address

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