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Postby Chris Luva Luva » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:05 am

Three things...


1. The whistle call was an important part of the game. It was a momentum changer in a game where momentum is everything.


2. The loss of Orakpo and Carriker were bigger than we could have imagined. Those guys change the way our "lesser" players are defended. With Orakpo in the game, Bowen may only get 1 person on him, which he can easily beat. Without Orakpo, he gets doubled and isn't talent enough to consistenly beat it. Hopefully Rak can stay healthy moving forward.

U can look up north to Baltimore for the same results. Their defense wasn't the same without T Sizzle. Then with Ray out and their best DB, their defense completely collasped. That mantra of "next man up" is BS IMO. There are limits to depth.


3. Fans demanding a coaching change... <snore>. If anyone is going to go, it will prolly be Haz. But I doubt it. He's playing without the players he was "promised" at saftey. No upgrades at CB. -1 probowl OLB. And without one of his better DE's. That's a heck of an issue to overcome.
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Postby langleyparkjoe » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:18 am

blaaaaahhhhh

but i agree wit cll

and it was pretty exciting to see rg3 and our offense score at end of the game though.

but blaaaaah becuz we lost to some bumz

did n e see santana's head hit dude's shoulder? my man moss was OUT! glad he was aite do'h

go skins, hopefully we won't lose this week to the bye but i'm sure we won't
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Postby SkinsJock » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:05 am

To CLL's post - I agree, the call came at a bad time and as Mike P. said on air - the call should have been changed, the refs should have sucked it up

as far as advocating for a coaching change - not so fast

I do not like what we've seen for the most part of the past 9 games but at the same time I'm not so sure I'd say it's ALL due to the coaching

I'm not a fan of the HC - I'm really disappointed in what we've seen from the players due to the 'leadership' of both Kyle and Jim ..

that being said - I'm not looking for all out house-cleaning here .... well ..... not just yet


not good though - especially with an owner like we have who does not have a SINGLE clue about owning an NFL franchise
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Postby tribeofjudah » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:11 am

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Postby Irn-Bru » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:38 am

I was against keeping Banks on the roster going into this year, and I hope by now the coaches agree with me. They took a gamble on him and lost, and it's time to give up on the idea that he has long-term potential. With the rule change on kickoffs and our porous defense, he only has half the chances to do anything, and while that's been enough to make a half-dozen boneheaded plays he has yet to create a positive game-changing moment.

Meanwhile, the trick plays on offense with him have gone from "that wasn't too bad, I guess" to flacid.

Whatever edge he brought on returns is gone — I'm guessing due to the injuries he's battled. And with our best receivers either injured or not performing, we badly need that roster spot for a real NFL WR.

If I'm Shanahan, I call Banks into my office this morning, thank him for everything he's done the past three years, cut him, and give Terrence Austin a call.
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Postby The Hogster » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:44 am

langleyparkjoe wrote:blaaaaahhhhh

but i agree wit cll

and it was pretty exciting to see rg3 and our offense score at end of the game though.

but blaaaaah becuz we lost to some bumz

did n e see santana's head hit dude's shoulder? my man moss was OUT! glad he was aite do'h

go skins, hopefully we won't lose this week to the bye but i'm sure we won't


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Postby DarthMonk » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:49 am

How many guys did the Pac have on IR the year they won it all? 15?

Yeah, I know, we aren't the Packers.

Exactly.

Don't get me wrong. I still love the Redskins. I will cheer in two weeks against the Eags. But right now we are in a bad way and we can't blame injuries. We are probably "relatively" healthy but as we all knew in advance we lacked the depth to deal with it and that's on ... you know who.

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Postby Deadskins » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:02 am

SkinsJock wrote:
ACW wrote:And speaking of bad calls: Tarik El-Bashir ;@TarikCSN: Referee Carl Cheffers: "We just felt when the whistle blew, that the player would have already scored a touchdown." :hmm:


Mike Periera after seeing the replay said that guy is supposed to "suck it up" and tell the ref that he blew the whistle and the play should have been ruled 'dead'

Yeah, it pissed me off that on NFL AM this morning, they said, "The play was blown dead, but good job by the officials for getting the call right."
Huh??? Our players heard the whistle and stopped. I'm not saying the Panthers wouldn't have gone on to score, but you never know. And the roughing call on London, and the pass interference call when the receiver hadn't even gone five yards to extend their second scoring drive, were outrageously bad as well.
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Postby PulpExposure » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:09 am

This one hurt. This isn't one the Redskins can afford to lose.

The comments by Shanahan were inexcusable, but it's pretty clear that the team showed little effort in this game.

I'm pretty beat up today about this one.

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Postby markshark84 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:09 am

tribeofjudah wrote:what the flock is going on.
We were doing so good, putting up BIG POINTS, looking like a scoring machine...

But alas ---that seemed like years ago


That was before our defense was totally exposed. Our O only had 2 possessions in the FIRST HALF. If we can't get our O on the field, we can't score.
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Postby SkinsJock » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:15 am

There are 2 things about this game that really disappointed me ...

1 going for the TD on 4th down when you as a HC know that the defense has not shown they can stop anyone

AND

2 the defense then allowing the Panthers to go 99 yards and score a TD

devastating

as a HC you can decide to have a go at a TD when you are absolutely positive your defense will NOT allow the other team to then go and score

we are not that team - Mike has to take the 3 at that time
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Postby markshark84 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:15 am

Irn-Bru wrote:I was against keeping Banks on the roster going into this year, and I hope by now the coaches agree with me. They took a gamble on him and lost, and it's time to give up on the idea that he has long-term potential. With the rule change on kickoffs and our porous defense, he only has half the chances to do anything, and while that's been enough to make a half-dozen boneheaded plays he has yet to create a positive game-changing moment.

Meanwhile, the trick plays on offense with him have gone from "that wasn't too bad, I guess" to flacid.

Whatever edge he brought on returns is gone — I'm guessing due to the injuries he's battled. And with our best receivers either injured or not performing, we badly need that roster spot for a real NFL WR.

If I'm Shanahan, I call Banks into my office this morning, thank him for everything he's done the past three years, cut him, and give Terrence Austin a call.


Agree about cutting Banks. He has done nothing for us this year. I cringe everytime he touches the ball; whether it is because he runs all over the field for 1 yd or less or because I am afraid he will fumble.

I used to love BB, but with the rule changes, there is no longer a reason to keep a "return specialist" unless they can also play another position well. Banks can't play the WR position and has not produced in the pistol or triple option formations.

Right now we need to either cut Robinson, Briscoe, or Banks and bring in another WR because our current WRs just can't catch the ball. It is embarassing and will hurt RGIII's confidence. Did you see all the bad screen and short passes RGIII threw yesterday --- I can almost gauarantee that the horrendous WR play was a factor in hurting his rythm on those plays.
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Postby tribeofjudah » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:22 am

I read the there was ALOT of "laundry" on the field: flags, penalties

Even at HOME.....we couldn't get a BREAK

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Postby Deadskins » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:35 am

SkinsJock wrote:There are 2 things about this game that really disappointed me ...

1 going for the TD on 4th down when you as a HC know that the defense has not shown they can stop anyone

I think that's why he went for it. I really didn't mind going for it, but the play call was atrocious. You have to have a passing option in that situation.

SkinsJock wrote:2 the defense then allowing the Panthers to go 99 yards and score a TD

devastating

To be fair, the refs extended that drive twice on bogus penalties.
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Postby Chris Luva Luva » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:55 am

I typically blame players for not executing the plays given, however, Kyles redzone offense has been an issue. Our highly rated passer isn't being allowed to throw the ball.

The other issue is that, Alfred Morris is being taken off the field for Evan Royster... Royster sucks. Helu sucks. You don't take your best players off the field when you get into the most important area of the field. And quite frankly, Roysters blocking isn't good enough to warrant his appearances.

The season isn't over, but it's time to make some gut checks.
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