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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby Kilmer72 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:55 pm

SkinsJock wrote:Mike is ONLY able to manage and coach the team that he's in charge of - If Dan has made it clear to both Robert and Mike that the QB carries more weight than the HC then the owner is absolutely putting the coach in a position where despite what the players claim he cannot get them to lay it all out there

If all Dan did was just socialize is one thing but to not fully support everything and anything your HC does is to put the team at a risk of not playing as well

IF THAT"S THE CASE - DAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FAILURE NOT MIKE - you cannot get players to lay it on the line if they think you're not the ultimate authority

totally agree with most of what welch posted

next Monday the facts will be revealed and I'm afraid that Dan may be screwing us all again

Mike is a better coach than this and it looks very much like he's been handicapped by our stupid owner



This is the argument my oldest bro makes as well. I say back who has final say? If Mike does then who is at fault? There is only credence of argument if Dan has final say and Mike is a patsy. Do you understand?

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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby SkinsJock » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:38 pm

if Dan gives final authority to Mike then but does not back him up then the fault lies with Dan

Mike is responsible if he has the final authority but it would seem that Dan took that away

we will soon know who was the a**hole here
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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby Kilmer72 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:45 pm

SkinsJock wrote:if Dan gives final authority to Mike then but does not back him up then the fault lies with Dan


Contracts my friend contracts. They are binding even if Dan is reneging. It is really more simple than that. The law says.... What is happening is another matter maybe, but that doesn't take away from 7 million dollars!!!! If you think Dan is an idiot when it comes to money then you don't understand a billionaire.

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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby Kilmer72 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:59 pm

Well, I don't want to argue anymore. If you guys feel that the law is wrong and not binding then i give up. I am going by what has been said and so far even Mike hasn't said Dan is throwing a wrench in the spokes so, I can't convince you anymore. All Mike has said is Dan had dinner and had body guards escort Robert. I don't get the hate for the last 4 years.

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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby SkinsJock » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:00 am

Kilmer72 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:if Dan gives final authority to Mike then but does not back him up then the fault lies with Dan

Contracts my friend contracts. They are binding even if Dan is reneging. It is really more simple than that. The law says.... What is happening is another matter maybe, but that doesn't take away from 7 million dollars!!!! If you think Dan is an idiot when it comes to money then you don't understand a billionaire.


Dan brought in Mike and gave him full authority to manage the team - not sure what your talking about here - it seems that Dan has undermined that recently - that is wrong

not sure what you're referring to about the security guards or anything to do with being with the players socially - that has nothing to do with this

Does Mike have full authority and does Dan fully support Mike in everything that he does - if not then Mike is not responsible for the failure of the team

Mike cannot expect every player to do everything and anything he wants without Dan's FULL support

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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby Kilmer72 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:07 am

SkinsJock wrote:
Kilmer72 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:if Dan gives final authority to Mike then but does not back him up then the fault lies with Dan

Contracts my friend contracts. They are binding even if Dan is reneging. It is really more simple than that. The law says.... What is happening is another matter maybe, but that doesn't take away from 7 million dollars!!!! If you think Dan is an idiot when it comes to money then you don't understand a billionaire.


Dan brought in Mike and gave him full authority to manage the team - not sure what your talking about here - it seems that Dan has undermined that recently - that is wrong

not sure what you're referring to about the security guards or anything to do with being with the players socially - that has nothing to do with this

Does Mike have full authority and does Dan fully support Mike in everything that he does - if not then Mike is not responsible for the failure of the team

Mike cannot expect every player to do everything and anything he wants without Dan's FULL support

:D


I really don't want to debate this any longer so i concede. There is no point in making sense any longer. You win I lose it is simple. Congrats!!!

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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby Neo » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:54 am

Kilmer72 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:if Dan gives final authority to Mike then but does not back him up then the fault lies with Dan


Contracts my friend contracts. They are binding even if Dan is reneging. It is really more simple than that. The law says.... What is happening is another matter maybe, but that doesn't take away from 7 million dollars!!!! If you think Dan is an idiot when it comes to money then you don't understand a billionaire.


Another thing, with all that Shanahan was saying about telling DS that he would have to run the team his way if DS wanted him to coach, wouldn't that have been included in the language of the contract? I don't recall MS specifically saying that language was in the contract.

I'm a small business owner, and I'll tell you one thing, there's no such thing as a "verbal agreement"; if its not in writing, its nothing. I would find it really hard to believe that MS wouldn't demand that be put into the language of the contract. Even I wouldn't dare agree to something without it being in writing.

That's what makes me a little suspicious of these reports...it just seems that MS should already be completely protected under the contract; I don't see him making a mistake that huge.
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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby Kilmer72 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:03 am

Neo he can't make up his mind. He will tell you that Dan is an evil sob in one breath and say Mike has made a huge error in another. You are wasting your time.

If you are smart you will give up. He is a good guy don't get me wrong but he is sitting on the fence and a bit of an @ss kisser.

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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby Kilmer72 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:22 am

Neo wrote:
Kilmer72 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:if Dan gives final authority to Mike then but does not back him up then the fault lies with Dan


Contracts my friend contracts. They are binding even if Dan is reneging. It is really more simple than that. The law says.... What is happening is another matter maybe, but that doesn't take away from 7 million dollars!!!! If you think Dan is an idiot when it comes to money then you don't understand a billionaire.


Another thing, with all that Shanahan was saying about telling DS that he would have to run the team his way if DS wanted him to coach, wouldn't that have been included in the language of the contract? I don't recall MS specifically saying that language was in the contract.

I'm a small business owner, and I'll tell you one thing, there's no such thing as a "verbal agreement"; if its not in writing, its nothing. I would find it really hard to believe that MS wouldn't demand that be put into the language of the contract. Even I wouldn't dare agree to something without it being in writing.

That's what makes me a little suspicious of these reports...it just seems that MS should already be completely protected under the contract; I don't see him making a mistake that huge.


One thing I think I should assume is Mike is not a dummy. Of course it would be in a contract. Snyders history would make that a prerogative. If you want total control then there has to be a contract. Yes a verbal agreement can be binding if you have witnesses. We have a lawyer on here but he hasn't been on for a while but he could tell you more than me.

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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby SkinsJock » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:04 pm

I think it's fairly clear that Dan and Mike know what they agreed to and that it's a written contract that includes language to the effect that Mike would have total control over everything concerning players and coaches ... Dan has every right to be 'in contact' with the players as long as he makes it clear that Mike has final authority

if Dan interfered with Mike's authority it's not a good thing for this franchise going forward
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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby Kilmer72 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:58 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I think it's fairly clear that Dan and Mike know what they agreed to and that it's a written contract that includes language to the effect that Mike would have total control over everything concerning players and coaches ... Dan has every right to be 'in contact' with the players as long as he makes it clear that Mike has final authority

if Dan interfered with Mike's authority it's not a good thing for this franchise going forward


Right on the money. Excellent post. If Mike has final say then there is no more argument to be made even if Dan was meddling. If he was then Mike screwed up by not cashing in.

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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby SkinsJock » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:08 am

that would be a shame because that means that we might lose a HC that could help this franchise - all because of Dan not living up to the contract terms

why would a decent HC come in here if he knows that Dan is going to interfere and be disruptive even though he promised he would not
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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby SkinsJock » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:11 am

Kilmer72 wrote:If Mike has final say then there is no more argument to be made even if Dan was meddling. If he was then Mike screwed up by not cashing in.


can you clarify this? - how could Mike have "cashed in" ?
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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby Kilmer72 » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:13 am

That is exactly why Dan is not to blame this go around. Who would? Dan wants to make money and win and people as in Doc, Cooley hell even Bmitch wouldn't put this on Dan.

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Re: Locker Room Dynamics

Postby Kilmer72 » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:15 am

SkinsJock wrote:
Kilmer72 wrote:If Mike has final say then there is no more argument to be made even if Dan was meddling. If he was then Mike screwed up by not cashing in.


can you clarify this? - how could Mike have "cashed in" ?


I already have. Remember the contract discussion from last night?

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