Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

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Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby Skinsfan55 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:56 am

Every Redskins fan seems to be taking a dump all over Polumbus these days. Most were going as far as saying that Bruce Campbell was his replacement (an absolutely laughable claim, considering that Campbell hasn't done a single thing in the NFL apart from being a combine warrior.)

What is the average Redskins fan's beef with our incumbent RT anyway? Tyler Polumbus was extremely effective last season.

* He committed only one penalty
* Allowed only 4 sacks
* Allowed only 9 hits
* Showed huge strides in pass blocking
* Was rated as Pro Football Focus' 6th best RT in 2013

Sure, his run blocking leaves a little to be desired... but he's a smart player, who doesn't draw flags and who was an absolutely outstanding pass blocker. In today's league, a RT doesn't just become a run blocker. Passing rules today's NFL. He and Trent Williams are arguably the best tackle tandem in the NFL. If Polumbus isn't starting for us in 2014 it should mean he was either injured or we made some blockbuster move to get a mega star RT.
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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby Chris Luva Luva » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:06 am

In before someone posts "didn't pass the eyeball test".


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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby riggofan » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:30 am

The problem with Tyler Polumbus is that the team was 3-13 last year. :)

Seriously, its a fair question. I'll be curious to see how other people respond. I don't know about his stats last year, but one reason I've heard for possibly replacing Polumbus would be if Gruden wants his line to look more like it did with the Bengals with bigger, stronger linemen.

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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby MikeBiz » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:55 am

I don't think that there is necessarily a problem with his play..but to me, at 6'8 and some 300 lbs you want your O linemen especially the RT position to be mean and physical. I personally believe our O line troubles are more interior, but considering RG3 was coming back from a major injury, you and I, as well as Skins fan abroad were probably frustrated with what seemed like a lack of effort/aggression towards the defensive fronts. We all know what we are going to get from Trent Williams, so I think fans at this point want someone who can match his ability, along with interior linemen, so we can protect the GIGANTIC investment we made in RG3...HTTR

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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby mastdark81 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:13 am

My biggest gripe about Polumbus is there is to many plays where he allows the defensive line or linebacker to push him within arms reach of our quarterback. He retreats back until the last minute until he puts "punch" to the defender. Whereas, Trent Williams tries to immobilize the defender from a shorter distance from the line of scrimmage. In Polumbus's poor technique, it makes your average quarterback uncomfortable or even difficult to provide a clean lane to throw in.

See people can throw up stats all day long but one of the stats that do not show up is the amount of clean pockets a quarterback gets to throw from. All quarterbacks will tell you this is what makes them comfortable and if they are comfortable they are confident. Its not all Polumbus fault as our interior lineman get pushed back as well, but a QB should be able to take a step in every direction without the presence of their own lineman or defender in the way most of the time.

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Most good tackles will use the Trent Williams method, putting their hands immediately on the defender as soon as possible forcing them to an alternative move. Other tackles will push the defender away from the quarterback, allowing the defender's momentum to run pass the quarterback. Tyler Polumbus, however not only looks defeated often, but once again he allows a direct line straight to the quarterback.

Decent run blocker, but remember he was brought in as a BACKUP to Jammal Brown. He's not your ideal 16 game + playoff starter. Surprised the Skins didn't attempt to go after a RT like Michael Oher or Anthony Collins. But yeah if we are content on being mediocre yeah keep him.

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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby skinsfan#33 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:27 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Every Redskins fan seems to be taking a dump all over Polumbus these days. Most were going as far as saying that Bruce Campbell was his replacement (an absolutely laughable claim, considering that Campbell hasn't done a single thing in the NFL apart from being a combine warrior.)

What is the average Redskins fan's beef with our incumbent RT anyway? Tyler Polumbus was extremely effective last season.

* He committed only one penalty
* Allowed only 4 sacks
* Allowed only 9 hits
* Showed huge strides in pass blocking
* Was rated as Pro Football Focus' 6th best RT in 2013

Sure, his run blocking leaves a little to be desired... but he's a smart player, who doesn't draw flags and who was an absolutely outstanding pass blocker. In today's league, a RT doesn't just become a run blocker. Passing rules today's NFL. He and Trent Williams are arguably the best tackle tandem in the NFL. If Polumbus isn't starting for us in 2014 it should mean he was either injured or we made some blockbuster move to get a mega star RT.


While i'll agree the TP gets a bad wrap, i think you are overselling him a bit (no a lot). He is a passable pass blocker and has improved in that respect, but there were WAY< WAY < WAY too many games were his guy just drove him right back into Robert. No the guy may not have gotten a sack, or caused a "hurry", but a guarantee Robert (or Kirk) never flet comfortable with the DL alomost there. Or how many passes did TP nock off course because the DL just drove him right back into the QB. No the DL never touched the QB, but it matter if it is the the DL knocking into you or your own RT.

That line about us having one of the best OT tandems in the League is plain laughable. Our tandem may be in the top half (closer to the middle) but not one of the best.

If Pro Football Focus had him as the 6th best RT in 2013 then you should never, ever visit that site again! Because they obviouly have no idea what they are talking about.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is much better than what most of the fans give him credit for, but not nearly as good as you (or Pro Football Focus) gives him credit for.

My personal feeling is he is sevrvicable, as long as your QB has no problem with his RT being in very close proimaty to him on obvious passing downs.
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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby riggofan » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:36 pm

I did read somewhere that RGIII bore some responsibility for some of the bad play from the line. Happy feet, moving too quickly where they weren't expecting him. Any truth to that?

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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby yupchagee » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:01 pm

MikeBiz wrote:I don't think that there is necessarily a problem with his play..but to me, at 6'8 and some 300 lbs you want your O linemen especially the RT position to be mean and physical. I personally believe our O line troubles are more interior, but considering RG3 was coming back from a major injury, you and I, as well as Skins fan abroad were probably frustrated with what seemed like a lack of effort/aggression towards the defensive fronts. We all know what we are going to get from Trent Williams, so I think fans at this point want someone who can match his ability, along with interior linemen, so we can protect the GIGANTIC investment we made in RG3...HTTR
I agree. I consider him to be an average RT. Given our needs elsewhere, I give RT a low priority.
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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby SkinsJock » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:59 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:Every Redskins fan seems to be taking a dump all over Polumbus these days. Most were going as far as saying that Bruce Campbell was his replacement (an absolutely laughable claim, considering that Campbell hasn't done a single thing in the NFL apart from being a combine warrior.)

What is the average Redskins fan's beef with our incumbent RT anyway? Tyler Polumbus was extremely effective last season.

* He committed only one penalty
* Allowed only 4 sacks
* Allowed only 9 hits
* Showed huge strides in pass blocking
* Was rated as Pro Football Focus' 6th best RT in 2013

Sure, his run blocking leaves a little to be desired... but he's a smart player, who doesn't draw flags and who was an absolutely outstanding pass blocker. In today's league, a RT doesn't just become a run blocker. Passing rules today's NFL. He and Trent Williams are arguably the best tackle tandem in the NFL. If Polumbus isn't starting for us in 2014 it should mean he was either injured or we made some blockbuster move to get a mega star RT.


The fact that the offensive line needs to be rebuilt and that only 1 starter from 2013 will be a 'starter' here in 2015 is not a reflection on a particular player - it's just that the new HC and OC feel a need to use different players .... this is the NFL - players change teams all the time

all the guys that started on the Redskins O line in 2013 EXCEPT for Trent Williams NEED to be replaced as soon as possible - they might be good players somewhere else

it seems VERY OBVIOUS the new coaching staff feels a need to make changes and I agree with them
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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby The Hogster » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:11 am

Because he's just decent. And as fans, when your team sucks, people blame the "just decent" guys. The thinking is we can do better than decent. The reality is, whose out there? As of right now, not much. So, the logical thought is to look at the Draft. The goal is to improve, and it would be pure comedy to suggest that we can't improve at the Right Tackle position. The debate is just who and when?

As of right now, the only non-debatable guys on our roster in my view are: RGIII, Trent Williams, Alfred Morris, Pierre Garcon, Jordan Reed, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Perry Riley, D Hall & now Hatcher. Those are the only guys who don't need to be looked at as upgradeable. We obviously can't upgrade everybody. Maybe Polumbus stays. But, to say he's beyond criticism is a joke. He's just a guy.

Btw - PFF is the same site that had him rated the #77 Right Tackle out of 80 the prior year. Who knows what their method is, or how they wind up with their rankings. They're a website. Give me a Coach's Poll or GM Poll and let's talk. But, I doubt any fanbase, new coach, or GM is saying, "Oh, we got Tyler Polumbus? Sweeet. Set at Right Tackle." He's subject to scrutiny and it's deserved. Show me a stat for getting pushed back into the QB's face, or the number of times he has to scramble out to his right side because you're getting mauled.
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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby riggofan » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:54 am

The Hogster wrote:Btw - PFF is the same site that had him rated the #77 Right Tackle out of 80 the prior year. Who knows what their method is, or how they wind up with their rankings. They're a website. Give me a Coach's Poll or GM Poll and let's talk. But, I doubt any fanbase, new coach, or GM is saying, "Oh, we got Tyler Polumbus? Sweeet. Set at Right Tackle." He's subject to scrutiny and it's deserved. Show me a stat for getting pushed back into the QB's face, or the number of times he has to scramble out to his right side because you're getting mauled.


lmao. Yeah, that is probably the best answer on here to the original question.

I was a little disappointed when Gruden first came in and seemed to indicate that given the players we had on the line, he planned to stick with the ZBS, etc; They seem to be taking a different course in free agency with the players they've been looking at.

Btw you mentioned Morris as one of the "non-debatable" guys on the roster. Don't get me wrong on this, because I'm a big fan of Morris, but I will be really curious to see if he is still the same "elite" player for Gruden. There is a history of RBs who excelled under Shanahan and went on to be average guys in other systems.

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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby Irn-Bru » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:03 am

The Hogster wrote:As of right now, the only non-debatable guys on our roster in my view are: RGIII, Trent Williams, Alfred Morris, Pierre Garcon, Jordan Reed, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Perry Riley, D Hall & now Hatcher. Those are the only guys who don't need to be looked at as upgradeable.


To this list I'd add Barry Cofield, David Amerson, Darrel Young, and Kirk Cousins.
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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby SkinsJock » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:18 am

riggofan wrote: ... btw you mentioned Morris as one of the "non-debatable" guys on the roster. Don't get me wrong on this, because I'm a big fan of Morris, but I will be really curious to see if he is still the same "elite" player for Gruden. There is a history of RBs who excelled under Shanahan and went on to be average guys in other systems.


there are players that 'fit' certain systems and then there are players that have "IT" - Alfred will prove he's not just another 'system player' - this guy gets it

Scott and Jay will utilize his running ability - Alfred and RG will find a way to make it all work
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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby riggofan » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:51 am

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riggofan wrote: ... btw you mentioned Morris as one of the "non-debatable" guys on the roster. Don't get me wrong on this, because I'm a big fan of Morris, but I will be really curious to see if he is still the same "elite" player for Gruden. There is a history of RBs who excelled under Shanahan and went on to be average guys in other systems.


there are players that 'fit' certain systems and then there are players that have "IT" - Alfred will prove he's not just another 'system player' - this guy gets it


Yep. I'm optimistic about him for that reason too. He seems to be a hard working, strong character guy with a fantastic attitude. Now, we just need to see him prove it again on the field this fall, and we need to see that Gruden knows how to get the most out of him. ex. Will JG show patience and stick with the running game through the game? Those times early in the game when Morris isn't getting big chunks of yardage. Gotta stick with him!

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Re: Why is Tyler Polumbus so unappreciated?

Postby The Hogster » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:56 am

Irn-Bru wrote:
The Hogster wrote:As of right now, the only non-debatable guys on our roster in my view are: RGIII, Trent Williams, Alfred Morris, Pierre Garcon, Jordan Reed, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Perry Riley, D Hall & now Hatcher. Those are the only guys who don't need to be looked at as upgradeable.


To this list I'd add Barry Cofield, David Amerson, Darrel Young, and Kirk Cousins.


I would add them to my personal list too assuming that we keep using a FB. Also curious to see if they plan to use a 4 man line with Cofield, Hatcher, Baker & Bowen in the game at the same time. Interesting to see if Hatcher eats more into Jenkins' time, Bowen's time, or Cofield's (with Baker playing NT more).
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