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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby riggofan » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:37 am

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riggofan wrote:I don't think I want to see politicians weighing in on either side.

Just so you know, there are some lining up on the keep-the-name side. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ucus-fend/


Yeah I saw that yesterday! I'll say one thing for these guys. If you're a politician in the DMV, it makes perfect sense to make sure you're on record supporting the name. Nobody around here is going to win running against the name! lol.

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Postby GibbSkins » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:40 pm

Patent office didn’t receive a single public complaint before stripping Redskins trademark

"the agency doesn’t have any record of correspondence from the public about the Redskins‘ name — expressing sentiments one way or another — prior to the board’s June 18 ruling."


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/1/redskins-name-drew-no-public-complaints-patent-off/
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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby Deadskins » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:11 am

The board also pointed to research that found at least 30 percent of American Indians surveyed found the name offensive.

What research is this? I've never heard about any polls that come close to 30%. You would think opponents of the name would be publishing that every chance they get.
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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby riggofan » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:33 am

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The board also pointed to research that found at least 30 percent of American Indians surveyed found the name offensive.

What research is this? I've never heard about any polls that come close to 30%. You would think opponents of the name would be publishing that every chance they get.


Man, I honestly don't believe there is any recent or very scientific poll available. The poll that the pro-name people always use is from 2004 and is HIGHLY debatable about whom they polled.

This Cal State poll is more recent and claims 67% find the name offensive:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyadler/na ... acial-slur
http://cips.csusb.edu/docs/PressRelease.pdf

People are just going to pick whichever poll suits them best.

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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:49 pm

I was listening to the Skins attorney on NFL xm and the poll that he was talking about showed over 90% didn't find it insulting or disrespectful. They to were conducted by a "non-biased" college yada yada. Something to consider in what poll you look at is what the question is and the demographic. If you ask my neighbor hos a giants fan are you against the name change- he will answer no. If you ask him are you for a name change its no aswell, Cus he can care less but one way of asking gets the desired outcome.

They'd never in a million years ask ME what I think..

As for this uspto topic. It's neither here nor there. Nothing has changed, and if magically they do lose (which would be a year and a half minimum) the Skins would still have the exact if not greater rights federally protecting the team name and unlawful use of it and such. This really is just a political move to shock people into thinking twice. Omg the trademark people cancelled the skins trademark.. it MUST be an offensive name!
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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby DarthMonk » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:48 pm

Now that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has struck a governmental blow against commodified ethnic insults, I’m nervous, because I may have “disparaged” somebody this morning when I buttered my toast. After I put away the Land O Lakes butter with that Indian maiden logo on the box, I bit off a chew of Red Man tobacco and climbed into a Jeep Cherokee. -snip-

government coercion is a lot more harmful than a lousy word. -snip-

The trademark case is indirectly about policing speech. Denial of a trademark registration is not the same as banning the use of a word, no. But it came in concert with several other forms of government pressure, and that fact is concerning enough to put the ACLU and Fox’s Megyn Kelly in the same camp over its free speech implications. -snip-

You don’t really want government agencies to become the arbiter of acceptable words and images. You really don’t. -snip-

“Being offended is the natural consequence of leaving one’s home,” Fran Lebowitz wrote. She added, “I do not like after-shave lotion, adults who roller skate, children who speak French, or anyone who is unduly tan. I do not, however, go around enacting legislation and putting up signs.” -snip-

In his dissent from the trademark decision, USPTO panelist Marc Bergsman observed that “the context” in which a word is used “changes the perception of the term.” For some people the word “Redskins” has lost all of its vicious old meaning and represents their beloved Sonny Jurgensen and Billy Kilmer; for others it’s a hate term. -snip-

no governmental traducing can put that epiphany into the heart of a team owner or the league commissioner, or a fan. There are competing priorities here: anti-disparagement vs. absolute free speech.
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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby riggofan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:51 am

DarthMonk wrote:You don’t really want government agencies to become the arbiter of acceptable words and images. You really don’t. -snip-


You don't? So you would be cool walking into a grocery store with your kids and seeing cereal boxes with pictures of fully penetrated porn stars labelled "Big T**** O's"? :)

#-o Not sure where you got that quote from, but that's a real head scratcher to me. Government agencies have been regulating acceptable words and images for decades. Not just the USPTO, but the FCC. If people want to argue that there shouldn't be that type of regulation anymore, that's a different story.

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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby DarthMonk » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:09 am

riggofan wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:You don’t really want government agencies to become the arbiter of acceptable words and images. You really don’t. -snip-


You don't? So you would be cool walking into a grocery store with your kids and seeing cereal boxes with pictures of fully penetrated porn stars labelled "Big T**** O's"? :)


No. I wouldn't be cool insofar as if I saw that in a grocery store I (and many others) would leave and never come back. Such a grocery store would pretty much fail miserably. If it didn't fail it would evidently be serving enough people in the way they want it to. It is probably legal for a certain kind of store to sell cereal boxes with such pictures on them. Giant probably can't though I am honestly not sure.

Interesting.
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Postby langleyparkjoe » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:51 am

DarthMonk wrote:I (and many others) would leave and never come back



That's my stance on it in the end. If you don't like it, you don't have to support it.. simple.
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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby riggofan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:59 am

langleyparkjoe wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:I (and many others) would leave and never come back



That's my stance on it in the end. If you don't like it, you don't have to support it.. simple.


That's a fair argument. Free market and all that. So how about the same cereal advertising on tv during the super bowl? How about the same porn-o cereal putting up billboards all over your town where it doesn't matter whether you support it or not? And so what if you never come back to the store or not? Your five year old still just got an eyeful of t**** Os. Maybe you're an elderly person who doesn't drive and this is the only grocery store in your neighborhood? Oh well, guess you're s out of luck.

I'm not trying to make any comparisons to the Redskins name issue btw. I'm just saying that statement about the gov't not getting involved in issues of what people see and hear is a little sketchy.

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Postby Deadskins » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:01 pm

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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby DarthMonk » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:20 pm

riggofan wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:I (and many others) would leave and never come back



That's my stance on it in the end. If you don't like it, you don't have to support it.. simple.


That's a fair argument. Free market and all that. So how about the same cereal advertising on tv during the super bowl? How about the same porn-o cereal putting up billboards all over your town where it doesn't matter whether you support it or not? And so what if you never come back to the store or not? Your five year old still just got an eyeful of t**** Os. Maybe you're an elderly person who doesn't drive and this is the only grocery store in your neighborhood? Oh well, guess you're s out of luck.

I'm not trying to make any comparisons to the Redskins name issue btw. I'm just saying that statement about the gov't not getting involved in issues of what people see and hear is a little sketchy.


Lotta questions there.

I never said the gov't should not be involved. I merely quoted someone who said we don't want the gov't to be the final arbiter on what constitutes an acceptable word or image - you know - like "Redskins" or

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BTW - there are TV stations where certain advertising is legal while it is not on others. If you ask me one thing at a time and ask precisely, I'll try to find the time for a thoughtful reply.

I would hope that the gov't would tend to enforce what the people want as opposed to tending to tell the people what they should want and then enforcing that. It doesn't always work that way but I think it usually should.

Getting involved and being final arbiter are vastly different concepts.
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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby riggofan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:55 pm

DarthMonk wrote:I never said the gov't should not be involved. I merely quoted someone who said we don't want the gov't to be the final arbiter on what constitutes an acceptable word or image - you know - like "Redskins" or


That's cool man. Just thought it was an odd quote in there.

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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby yupchagee » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:49 pm

riggofan wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:You don’t really want government agencies to become the arbiter of acceptable words and images. You really don’t. -snip-


[size=150]You don't? So you would be cool walking into a grocery store with your kids and seeing cereal boxes with pictures of fully penetrated porn stars labelled "Big T**** O's"? :)
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#-o Not sure where you got that quote from, but that's a real head scratcher to me. Government agencies have been regulating acceptable words and images for decades. Not just the USPTO, but the FCC. If people want to argue that there shouldn't be that type of regulation anymore, that's a different story.



I'm sure you know that if anyone tried that they would go broke within hours. Most peoples not only wouldn't buy that product, but avoid stores that stocked it.
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Re: USPTO Cancels Redskins Trademarks

Postby yupchagee » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:53 pm

riggofan wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:I (and many others) would leave and never come back



That's my stance on it in the end. If you don't like it, you don't have to support it.. simple.


That's a fair argument. Free market and all that. So how about the same cereal advertising on tv during the super bowl? How about the same porn-o cereal putting up billboards all over your town where it doesn't matter whether you support it or not? And so what if you never come back to the store or not? Your five year old still just got an eyeful of t**** Os. Maybe you're an elderly person who doesn't drive and this is the only grocery store in your neighborhood? Oh well, guess you're s out of luck.

I'm not trying to make any comparisons to the Redskins name issue btw. I'm just saying that statement about the gov't not getting involved in issues of what people see and hear is a little sketchy.


Such ads would cost business. What business would want to that.
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