Signs that show this team never improves

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Signs that show this team never improves

Postby grampi » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:26 pm

Team can't win divisional games.

Team can't win games televised during prime time.

Team is usually still in contention for the post season with 2 or 3 games to go, but always loses the game they must win to get in.

Many, if not most of starting players are out due to injury.

Team loses to opponents they should easily beat.

This is the Skins every year, and it never changes. I don't understand why they never improve.

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby mastdark81 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:22 pm

It all comes down to overall talent and coaching. Talent not only includes skill but IQ, mental toughness. The coaching is adequate but there is lack of accountability and discipline on the team.

Your first point of not being able to win division games. Well that simply comes down to the fact that their offensive line/defensive line is consistently better than ours talent-wise. Cowboys have beat us as well because usually they are error free and their qb have been able to make plays when needed.

Televised games - impact players show up during big games. We do not have enough impact players that want to be stars and the best at their craft. These type of guys will try to show it on national televised games.

This is coaching - games mean nothing until December and January. Jay haven't been great in these times, he's not hungry enough for playoffs and that trickles down to the team.

The Skins don't have the talent to easily beat anyone.

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby DarthMonk » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:45 pm

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby El Mexican » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:35 pm

Pretty much. We're not exactly imposing at either the O-Line or the D-Line.

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby SkinsJock » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:17 pm

grampi wrote:Team can't win divisional games.

Team can't win games televised during prime time.

Team is usually still in contention for the post season with 2 or 3 games to go, but always loses the game they must win to get in.

Many, if not most of starting players are out due to injury.

Team loses to opponents they should easily beat.

This is the Skins every year, and it never changes. I don't understand why they never improve.


really? :shock: are you kidding me?

when Dan Snyder is in charge of selecting the ingredients and who the head chef is, the results will not be very good

the players we have are talented but there is no plan and the HC has little idea of what it takes - we have no future

until Snyder stops interfering
Nobody really expects the Redskins to do well and this is primarily due to the way the franchise is managed.
It's not the players or the coaches fault. It's time to clean house & change the losing culture here

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby SkinsJock » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:23 pm

The Redskins have the longest streak of any franchise to not win 11 games in a season

we struggle to get 9 or 10 wins a season - this franchise is considered a joke by most NFL fans

we are NOT improving while Snyder continues to interfere
Nobody really expects the Redskins to do well and this is primarily due to the way the franchise is managed.
It's not the players or the coaches fault. It's time to clean house & change the losing culture here

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby welch » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:25 am

The Redskins have been bad as long as Dan Snyder has owned them. Look at the team year-by-year. We had a four year refresher on what a real Redskin team looked like...and, yes, I mean 2004 - 2007. Before and after, this team has been mediocre and down to the worst.

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby SkinsJock » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:27 pm

This franchise needs continuity and you cannot have that without having any stability

Dan Snyder's method of managing and owning a franchise is a nightmare - no player or coach would look at the Redskins as anything more than an opportunity for a job in the NFL and a means to go work somewhere else
Nobody really expects the Redskins to do well and this is primarily due to the way the franchise is managed.
It's not the players or the coaches fault. It's time to clean house & change the losing culture here

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby riggofan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:03 pm

I don't really care to comment on this stuff, but damn this article today on ESPN sure seems spot on.

Erosion of Redskins' fan base stems from years of disappointment
http://www.espn.com/blog/nfceast/post/_ ... ppointment

Under Allen, the Redskins have a 51-74-1 record. Now, last offseason, the Redskins were asking fans to trust him again as he rebuilt the front office. Perhaps the new structure works; it hasn't been in place for a full year. Perhaps it fails. But the fans are jaded after way too many years of being asked to trust a process that has yet to pay off. It's hard to blame them.

Redskins fans have been patient for a long time. Every time they're asked to believe, they're ultimately let down. Until the organization delivers in a much bigger way on those promises -- as in winning consistently -- the erosion will continue.
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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby riggofan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:05 pm

This bit too:

Kirk Cousins' contract

The Redskins have used the franchise tag the past two offseasons on their quarterback because they couldn't strike a long-term deal. In the first offseason, the organization wasn't ready to trust Cousins was for real and pay him accordingly. In the second, Cousins wasn't ready to believe in the franchise and was content playing under the tag.

The result: Two years of debate over what happened, who was at fault and how much is he really worth. It's led to intense nitpicking over every single pass. Was that a $30 million throw? Or a $20 million one? Or less?

It's exhausting and unhealthy, regardless of blame.


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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby langleyparkjoe » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:41 pm

Ya'll are being to nice... our team is straight trash with a few diamonds in the ruff.
Heck, our organization is straight trash for that matter. Honestly, if the Browns didn't exist in the NFL, we'd be the sorriest team there is.

So on a positive note, thank you Browns! :mrgreen:
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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby SkinsJock » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:00 pm

even the Browns have had an 11 win season since the Redskins last won 11

the most important thing is the coaching and you must have a good QB to build around but the fact remains that under Dan Snyder we have an organization with no leadership - until Dan Snyder realizes how criticaly important it is to have a FO with a President and a GM that have the authority and the knowledge to build a successful franchise like so many other franchises in the NFL, we are not going to be any good
Nobody really expects the Redskins to do well and this is primarily due to the way the franchise is managed.
It's not the players or the coaches fault. It's time to clean house & change the losing culture here

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby langleyparkjoe » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:07 pm

SkinsJock wrote:even the Browns have had an 11 win season since the Redskins last won 11


You really know how to make a guy feel better SJ

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby SkinsJock » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:39 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:even the Browns have had an 11 win season since the Redskins last won 11


You really know how to make a guy feel better SJ :shock:


sorry lpj - I'm just very frustrated - I always thought that Dan Snyder would learn from his many early mistakes - maybe the press beat him up so bad that he's just become more and more defiant - I'm sure his 'yes men' are all encouraging him that better times are just ahead

the worst thing for me was after he had brought in Shanahan and we were all led to believe that Mike and Bruce were in charge here
REPORTEDLY Snyder had hired Allen based on Shanahan wanting a GM he could count on and as a condition of his coming here - what a bunch of crap all of that turned out to be - I'm sure that Shanahan thought that he would be in charge and I don't know how it all became so horribly bad here but Bruce Allen must have had pictures or something because he screwed this franchise up terribly in a couple of years

we are going nowhere until Dan Snyder puts people in charge and let's them do their jobs without interference - we all know that Snyder will have the final say on who coaches and plays here but Snyder needs to follow the advice of his GM not the other way around like it is now
the first thing needed here is to get rid of Bruce Allen and bring in a new President who should then hire a GM who can hire a new HC

until Dan Snyder becomes an owner that let's this FO make all the decisions like the other NFL owners - we are going to continue to be a joke


unfortunately, I think Dan Snyder is going to continue trying to make things better here - that's who he is - he cannot accept that it's all his fault
Nobody really expects the Redskins to do well and this is primarily due to the way the franchise is managed.
It's not the players or the coaches fault. It's time to clean house & change the losing culture here

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Re: Signs that show this team never improves

Postby El Mexican » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:17 pm

Years and years of bad managerial decisions don't go unpunished.
You see some tints of light here and there, but the fundamental base is rotten. I get the feeling players don't want to be here for the same reason.

Maybe we should just accept that the franchise is mediocre. Excellency, by definition, is not permanent.

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