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Postby emoses14 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:58 am

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GoSkins wrote:At this point in our season it's a little early to forecast our needs for the next draft. But...I'd go on the offensive side of the ball with a QB and then on the defensive side with a CB.


i don't see us grabbing a CB with Hall and Wilson theres not really a need. 1.QB/2.OL or OL/Qb dpendin on draft position.


Disagree. Haslett is very aggressive. For some of the stuff he does, he would like to know that he can take away the opponent's #1 for 4 seconds. We don't currently have a corner that can do that, so, yes, there IS a need...


If he'd been willing to accept what he was actually worth, this would have been Carlos Rogers role. Had he been on the field against the Cowboys, he'd have been man up on Bryant... and that pass would probably have fallen to the ground. Say what you want, but he's not peeking into the backfield... and he doesn't bite on that weak headfake. You don't need an interception in that case... just a pass defensed.


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Postby langleyparkjoe » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:04 pm

As much as I despised Rogers, I have to agree with that statement. He def. would've played that better and even gotten an INT out of it. :shock: Naw of course not but he would've knocked it down for sure.
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Postby Chris Luva Luva » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:50 pm

Countertrey wrote:Disagree. Haslett is very aggressive. For some of the stuff he does, he would like to know that he can take away the opponent's #1 for 4 seconds. We don't currently have a corner that can do that, so, yes, there IS a need...


I disagree. The reason that I do is because it's longer than 4 seconds. It's 6,7,8 seconds. I'd be willing to bet if we go back and look at the Romo-Dez play, it's in the 5+ second category.

Baltimore overall has secondary vastly inferiror to our own. Their DB's could lay on the ground and WR's would still be covered. Why? Pass-rush.

We had Springs, Smoot, Taylor and Landry and our secondary was getting torched... Why? No pass rush.

You want Hall to look better? Get a better pass rush? Just because we've elevated from an atrocious pass-rush to what we have today does NOT mean we have arrived. Our NT and DE's don't get the pressure they should be getting, although they are AT LEAST occupying blockers.

In short. Improve the pass-rush, you improve the secondary.
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Postby Deadskins » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:24 pm

Once we get Jenkins back, that will change.
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Postby 1niksder » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:31 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

In short. Improve the pass-rush, you improve the secondary.


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Postby langleyparkjoe » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:38 pm

1niksder wrote:
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In short. Improve the pass-rush, you improve the secondary.


C'mon Man !!! :shock:


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Postby Deadskins » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:47 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

In short. Improve the pass-rush, you improve the secondary.


C'mon Man !!! :shock:


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Postby brad7686 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:24 am

I've clamored for years about not taking a qb because our team isn't good enough to win with one anyway, but man, the time has come, qb is by far the most glaring issue on this team. The only way I see passing one up next draft is if there is a potential star receiver that's big, like in the CJ/Fitz mold. We'll probly finish with a good enough record where we can't get a decent qb or wr. oh well.
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Postby Countertrey » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:53 am

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Countertrey wrote:Disagree. Haslett is very aggressive. For some of the stuff he does, he would like to know that he can take away the opponent's #1 for 4 seconds. We don't currently have a corner that can do that, so, yes, there IS a need...


I disagree. The reason that I do is because it's longer than 4 seconds. It's 6,7,8 seconds. I'd be willing to bet if we go back and look at the Romo-Dez play, it's in the 5+ second category.

Baltimore overall has secondary vastly inferiror to our own. Their DB's could lay on the ground and WR's would still be covered. Why? Pass-rush.

We had Springs, Smoot, Taylor and Landry and our secondary was getting torched... Why? No pass rush.

You want Hall to look better? Get a better pass rush? Just because we've elevated from an atrocious pass-rush to what we have today does NOT mean we have arrived. Our NT and DE's don't get the pressure they should be getting, although they are AT LEAST occupying blockers.

In short. Improve the pass-rush, you improve the secondary.


If you look at that play, Hall was handed his butt at 2 seconds. Had he covered Bryant for 4 seconds, he would have been there when the ball arrived at 5 or 6 seconds. PERIOD. After the head fake and the inside slant move, he ran in a straight line. A corner that doesn't spin in his boots at the headfake would have still been with him. A corner that isn't peeking into the backfield doesn't get distracted from his cushion, and doesn't allow Bryant to close it up, making him susceptible to the head fake.

The pass rush was effective. Romo was retreating when he threw the pass up. No pass rush would have been there.

4 seconds is the best you will get from virtually any cornerback. Beyond that, a solid RECEIVER begins working back towards the line of scrimmage, to give his quarterback a target. At that point, the job of the cornerback is no longer to defense the pass, but to make an immediate tackle. That's just how it is.

Pass rush? Lead the league in sacks. Lead the league in GB hits. What do you want, Chris? The pass rush was effective on this play... there were 4 Redskins in pursuit of the retreating Romo at the time. One (Kerrigan) peeled off when he saw the TE slip his blocking assignment, apparently setting up a delay screen...
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Postby Red_One43 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:43 am

Deadskins wrote:
1niksder wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
broomboy wrote:
GoSkins wrote:At this point in our season it's a little early to forecast our needs for the next draft. But...I'd go on the offensive side of the ball with a QB and then on the defensive side with a CB.


i don't see us grabbing a CB with Hall and Wilson theres not really a need. 1.QB/2.OL or OL/Qb dpendin on draft position.


Disagree. Haslett is very aggressive. For some of the stuff he does, he would like to know that he can take away the opponent's #1 for 4 seconds. We don't currently have a corner that can do that, so, yes, there IS a need...


If he'd been willing to accept what he was actually worth, this would have been Carlos Rogers role. Had he been on the field against the Cowboys, he'd have been man up on Bryant... and that pass would probably have fallen to the ground. Say what you want, but he's not peeking into the backfield... and he doesn't bite on that weak headfake. You don't need an interception in that case... just a pass defensed.


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Postby DarthMonk » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:50 pm

Red_One43 wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
1niksder wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
broomboy wrote:
GoSkins wrote:At this point in our season it's a little early to forecast our needs for the next draft. But...I'd go on the offensive side of the ball with a QB and then on the defensive side with a CB.


i don't see us grabbing a CB with Hall and Wilson theres not really a need. 1.QB/2.OL or OL/Qb dpendin on draft position.


Disagree. Haslett is very aggressive. For some of the stuff he does, he would like to know that he can take away the opponent's #1 for 4 seconds. We don't currently have a corner that can do that, so, yes, there IS a need...


If he'd been willing to accept what he was actually worth, this would have been Carlos Rogers role. Had he been on the field against the Cowboys, he'd have been man up on Bryant... and that pass would probably have fallen to the ground. Say what you want, but he's not peeking into the backfield... and he doesn't bite on that weak headfake. You don't need an interception in that case... just a pass defensed.


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+2

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+4 ... but still an ill-advised defensive call in that situation ... and they were gonna punt it they didn't end up with 4th and very short.

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Postby HEROHAMO » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:16 am

Countertrey wrote:
broomboy wrote:
GoSkins wrote:At this point in our season it's a little early to forecast our needs for the next draft. But...I'd go on the offensive side of the ball with a QB and then on the defensive side with a CB.


i don't see us grabbing a CB with Hall and Wilson theres not really a need. 1.QB/2.OL or OL/Qb dpendin on draft position.


Disagree. Haslett is very aggressive. For some of the stuff he does, he would like to know that he can take away the opponent's #1 for 4 seconds. We don't currently have a corner that can do that, so, yes, there IS a need...

My list of priorities, which is completely dependent upon best available:
1. Quarterback of the future
2. O line OR Cornerback who can reliably take away a receiver when needed (such as a true Zero Blitz).

If he'd been willing to accept what he was actually worth, this would have been Carlos Rogers role. Had he been on the field against the Cowboys, he'd have been man up on Bryant... and that pass would probably have fallen to the ground. Say what you want, but he's not peeking into the backfield... and he doesn't bite on that weak headfake. You don't need an interception in that case... just a pass defensed.


I loved Rogers. However his attitude made it clear he did not want to be a Redskin anymore. Whenever a player clearly wants to leave what can we do?
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Postby PickSixerTWSS » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:27 am

well now resigning London Fletcher might be weird because he is paid as the number 5 or so linebacker at about 4.90 million$$. look here is the deal , he makes more money then Ray Lewis, Navarro Bowman, Terrell Suggs.....and a bunch of others . But guess what! He makes more freak'n money than

CLAY MATTHEWS-
DEMARCUS WARE-
PATRICK WILLIS!


for alll the respect I have for London Fletcher, he is not worth more those 3. i am sorry. However with the season this guy is having (leading the leauge in tackles) we should make him a reasonable offer about 5.10 million$$ or something like


I want you guys to tell me what would be the limit of money to offer london fletcher this year.


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Postby SkinsJock » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:09 pm

How much a player makes is not relevant in this case

Should Aaron suddenly make more than Brady or Peyton?

London Fletcher's leadership is not easily replaced
Griffin will become a really good QB but it's going to take time

We are lucky to have Cousins - hopefully he can continue to play well

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Postby PickSixerTWSS » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:45 pm

SkinsJock wrote:London Fletcher's leadership is not easily replaced
now this is true :-k

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