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Postby REDEEMEDSKIN » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:36 pm

hkHog wrote:This arbitrator sucks. First he was supposed to have made his decision by Sunday, then by Monday, then by Tuesday night, and most recently Wednesday at noon. Well it's 1 freaking 30 and his ruling hasn't come out yet!!! This is agonizing, let this whole stupid story be done with!

This is the same guy who "awrded" us Chad Morton when we went to arbitration. He was "good" then, but now he "sucks"?? :hmm:
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Postby HEROHAMO » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:36 pm

Im not knocking our players we have a few weaknesses but they can be overcome. What I like about T.O. is he is a 100percent effort guy how can we not benefit from that? Our positves we have a Good defense Dline needs help but all in all good. Our running game is pretty good to a stud in Portis so he had a bad game last week if not for the fumbles it would have been good. Our line is coming along not there yet but we are getting there. Our Qb Brunell is a veteran has his ups and downs personally I cant wait to see Jason Campbell in a couple years hopefully next year. Bottom line even if we were to never win again Im still gonna back my team up no doubt. It is the true redskins fan way I anyalyze and critisize come Sunday you know where our hearts are at. HTTR
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Postby REDEEMEDSKIN » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:37 pm

Simply put, HEROHAMO, "T.O." was the "Domih8er" in the Eagles locker room. Now tell me, who'd want a cancer like that around?:hmm:
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Postby JansenFan » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:40 pm

I heard the decision would be out WEdnesday the day of the hearing.
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Postby HEROHAMO » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:46 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Simply put, HEROHAMO, "T.O." was the "Domih8er" in the Eagles locker room. Now tell me, who'd want a cancer like that around?:hmm:
He wasnt a cancer until he realized he wasnt getting paid what he deserved how would you feel if you were at your job and somebody else who is less qualified got paid more than you? Most of the top receivers in the league make more money than him. This guy helped guide them to The Superbowl and how do they thank him. One thing for sure Snyder would pay him the cash he deserves and there would be no gripe. Im not sure about the cap hit we would take or the dynamics involved with the cap but thats what management is for. Anyways I heard that T.O. and Shawn Springs take part in workouts in the offseason and are good freinds. The question is would Gibbs ever consider it? probably not. Im just defending a guy who dosent deserve all the bad pub hes getting.
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Postby Jake » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:51 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Simply put, HEROHAMO, "T.O." was the "Domih8er" in the Eagles locker room. Now tell me, who'd want a cancer like that around?:hmm:
He wasnt a cancer until he realized he wasnt getting paid what he deserved


He was told not to sign the contract before he ever did. It's his stupid fault. If he wanted to get paid, all he had to do was sit down and negotiate with Philly but he just wanted to get out of SF. It's his fault.
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Postby joebagadonuts » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:51 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Wouldn't it be funny if he ended up back in SF, for some reason?


better yet, i'd love to see him have to endure the remainder of the season with the texans.
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Postby REDEEMEDSKIN » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:53 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Simply put, HEROHAMO, "T.O." was the "Domih8er" in the Eagles locker room. Now tell me, who'd want a cancer like that around?:hmm:
He wasnt a cancer until he realized he wasnt getting paid what he deserved how would you feel if you were at your job and somebody else who is less qualified got paid more than you? Most of the top receivers in the league make more money than him. This guy helped guide them to The Superbowl and how do they thank him. One thing for sure Snyder would pay him the cash he deserves and there would be no gripe. Im not sure about the cap hit we would take or the dynamics involved with the cap but thats what management is for. Anyways I heard that T.O. and Shawn Springs take part in workouts in the offseason and are good freinds. The question is would Gibbs ever consider it? probably not. Im just defending a guy who dosent deserve all the bad pub hes getting.

If I were bound by a contract, I think, by law, I'd be forced to honor it. "T.O." has used the power of the media to create leverage in his favor in a PR war with the Eagles. He is not unfairly paid, nor is he making less than other receivers. He's looking for more guaranteed money into his twilight years than his contract currently allows.

I'd be very surprised if I could pull that kind of stunt in my workplace and still go to work the next day.

(However, I understand the points you make, don't get me wrong. They are logical and all, but "T.O." defies logic.)
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Postby HEROHAMO » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:58 pm

Jake wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Simply put, HEROHAMO, "T.O." was the "Domih8er" in the Eagles locker room. Now tell me, who'd want a cancer like that around?:hmm:
He wasnt a cancer until he realized he wasnt getting paid what he deserved


He was told not to sign the contract before he ever did. It's his stupid fault. If he wanted to get paid, all he had to do was sit down and negotiate with Philly but he just wanted to get out of SF. It's his fault.
Im getting a notion you dont want him here either. All Im saying is he isnt as bad a guy that people make him out to be. Why such strong hate from everyone towards him its not like he murdered anyone. Do you remember that time he had that touchdown catch against the Packers when he was with the niners and he started crying. That showed me he had the passion and love for the game which many players these have lost the passion and love. He gripes and moans when there are problems. He has standard of excellence and expects everyone else to uphold that. He goes about it in the wrong ways but nothing that cant be overcome. Everone is ready to put this guy under the bus. I do understand the caution we do have to take though. But hey anyhow I should be focusing on the chargers. Man is it me or is it stressfull watching each game on Sunday I feel like im going to have a stroke or heart attack when im watching. I even think itll be better if we dont watch the game and just hope and pray they do well turn on sports center at the end of Sunday and wait for the results. Who knows ? anyways lets go skins.
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Postby REDEEMEDSKIN » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:00 pm

Since T.O. is such a nice guy, the arbitrator decided he could spend Thanksgiving at home, with his family, since his season is now OFFICIALLY over. In the spirit of the holidays, T.O. got some time off. :up:
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Postby Jake » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:09 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:
Jake wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Simply put, HEROHAMO, "T.O." was the "Domih8er" in the Eagles locker room. Now tell me, who'd want a cancer like that around?:hmm:
He wasnt a cancer until he realized he wasnt getting paid what he deserved


He was told not to sign the contract before he ever did. It's his stupid fault. If he wanted to get paid, all he had to do was sit down and negotiate with Philly but he just wanted to get out of SF. It's his fault.
Im getting a notion you dont want him here either. All Im saying is he isnt as bad a guy that people make him out to be. Why such strong hate from everyone towards him its not like he murdered anyone. Do you remember that time he had that touchdown catch against the Packers when he was with the niners and he started crying. That showed me he had the passion and love for the game which many players these have lost the passion and love. He gripes and moans when there are problems. He has standard of excellence and expects everyone else to uphold that. He goes about it in the wrong ways but nothing that cant be overcome. Everone is ready to put this guy under the bus.


You answered your own question.
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Postby Redskin in Canada » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:10 pm

HEROHAMO wrote: He wasnt a cancer until he realized he wasnt getting paid what he deserved BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

Is TO now a victim of the terrible stingy Eagles? :roll:

San Francisco 49ers anybody? Were they terrible to him too?

How about the Ravens?

Where have you been over the last few years?

T.O.'s ego collides with insecurityBy Skip Bayless

In the fall of 2002, while doing a radio show on KNBR in San Francisco, I said in exasperation that Terrell Owens needed counseling. The guy was tearing apart a surefire playoff team with a quarterback, Jeff Garcia, who was on his way to a third straight Pro Bowl.

That prompted an off-air call from the man who built and coached the greatest 49ers teams, Bill Walsh.

Walsh was an advisor to the team and was just as frustrated with Owens as I was. Walsh wanted me to know that the team had provided Owens with counseling -- unsuccessfully.

Counseling rarely works when the recipient doesn't believe he needs it. With Owens, it was always everyone's fault but his.

Nothing has changed.

I'd still like to see Owens seek what you might call T.O.-management counseling. Yet it still appears he doesn't really believe any of his flameout in Philadelphia was his doing.

Owens has always been a deeply flawed collision of fame-craving ego and fatherless, small-town insecurity. When he has been on the threshold of superstardom, in San Francisco and then Philly, the insecurity has prevailed. He still isn't sure he can live up to the cornerback-terrorizing, Sharpie-in-the-sock T.O. persona he created -- the virtual video-game character. So he keeps creating phantom feuds with his quarterback, his coach and his management so he has someone to blame if he fails.

His inferiority complex wins out over his superiority complex.

Garcia used to say that Owens "plays with such rage." I always thought he was motivated by rage's evil twin, fear.

Beneath all of T.O.'s outrageous egomania still lurks a shy, late bloomer from Alexander City, Ala., who wasn't heavily recruited out of high school and who went higher in the draft (third round) than most experts projected. Owens has never quite been comfortable with being the can't-get-enough-of-him star he so badly wants to be.

As Walsh said in 2002: "What's so perplexing is that he doesn't get in any of the usual off-the-field trouble. He's as sharp in meetings as any player I've seen -- he knows his assignments and everyone else's. But just when you think he's ready to become a truly elite player, he just self-destructs."


Andy Reid and the Eagles finally turned their backs on T.O.

He makes himself impossible to live with. He alienates his teammates, his bosses and, finally, his fans. He destroys heaven-sent situations.


What more could he have wanted than to be the star for one of the NFL's best franchises in San Francisco, one of the world's greatest cities? After Jerry Rice moved across the Bay to Oakland, Owens led the NFL in touchdown catches in 2001 and 2002.


Yet, while he dropped more than his share of crucial passes, he began knocking Garcia's arm strength. Though he alligator-armed an over-the-middle pass that turned into a game-ending overtime interception at Chicago, he accused coach Steve Mariucci of letting up with a 28-9 lead on close friend Dick Jauron, who coached the Bears. And of course, Owens was always underpaid and underappreciated by management.

And yes, management eventually decided he was more far trouble than he was worth.

Several 49ers officials were amazed and amused that Philadelphia's Andy Reid, of all the tough-guy, no-nonsense coaches, thought he could harness Terrible Owens. But Owens convinced Reid that all he ever wanted was to catch passes from Donovan McNabb, who welcomed and embraced No. 81.

Reid began treating T.O. with a mellowing patience he hadn't shown any other player. Philly fans worshipped T.O. as their Super Bowl savior. The Eagles tore up his 49ers contract and gave him a new long-term deal he gratefully signed. What more could he have wanted?

But if you had observed Owens in San Francisco -- as I did -- you knew it was just a matter of time.

I thought of Walsh's 2002 call Tuesday afternoon as I watched Owens read a grudgingly unapologetic apology. He "apologized" to McNabb for any comments that may have been negative. May?

Owens agreed with Michael Irvin's contention on ESPN that the 4-3 Eagles would have been 7-0 with Brett Favre at quarterback. Not Peyton Manning or Michael Vick. Favre, who is 36 years old and has thrown an NFL-high 14 interceptions.

Yes, McNabb has a stomach-muscle tear that, he says, will require surgery after the season. But this was a last-straw, low-blow shot at a quarterback who has been to five straight Pro Bowls -- one who had established himself as an MVP candidate through the Eagles' first four games. Since February's Super Bowl, Owens has conducted a smear campaign of McNabb -- just like he attacked Garcia in San Francisco.

McNabb had to be even more angered by that "may." The single biggest reason Eagles management finally came to its senses and sent Owens home was that he refused to apologize to McNabb face-to-face after reportedly offering to fight McNabb last week in the locker room.

May?

Owens also laughably apologized to Eagles coach Andy Reid, saying, "you and I were in a tough spot this year." No, Reid was in the tough spot because Owens was constantly defying him, verbally abusing offensive coordinator Brad Childress and feuding with the franchise quarterback.

Eagles president Joe Banner indicates there were many more incidents that didn't become public, and I believe him.

McNabb says the Eagles will be a little better off without Owens, and I believe him.

Don't be surprised if, with the T.O. cloud lifted off the locker room, the Eagles pull back together, beat Dallas at home on Monday night, win seven of their last eight and take the NFC East.

That would teach Owens … wouldn't it?

Pardon the wishful thinking.

I'm obviously no fan of Owens, but I do feel sorry for the guy in one regard. He's much closer to burning every NFL bridge than he thinks. And what a sorry waste of talent that would be.

Rodney Harrison, New England's respected team leader, surely spoke for veterans on many teams when he said on Boston radio station WEEI: "If I was a GM, I don't care if he wanted to come play for the league minimum, I would not want him in my locker room. I would not want him around my organization or my city. … I do not respect him. I just think he's a selfish jerk. All he thinks about is money and himself."

Listening, T.O.?

Insiders in Atlanta and Oakland say those teams want no part of you. You hear Denver or Miami, but would Mike Shanahan or Nick Saban take you after what you did to Reid? Maybe New Orleans would risk signing you just to sell some tickets and distract fans from the mess that owner Tom Benson has made of the Saints.

But now that you've been kicked out of the Eagles' nest, your places to land are dangerously dwindling.

The best thing you could do isn't to offer qualified apologies carefully crafted by your crafty agent or to file a grievance against the Eagles. No, it's time to voluntarily get some kind of counseling.

Time to -- shocking concept -- humble yourself.

Time to show the NFL you're finally mature, and man enough to publicly admit the problem lies within you. No more finger-pointing. No more letting your self-promoting showman of an agent tell you how much more money you deserve so he can get more camera time.

Time to do what the greatest coach ever -- Walsh, a man you admire -- wanted you to do three years ago.

Time to find a professional you can trust.

Time to make peace with that insecure kid from Alexander City.


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Postby Chris Luva Luva » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:13 pm

Any player who talks badly about his team to the media is a peice of crap. Its something I wouldn't stand for as a coach. The 1st time he spoke badly about a teammate he would have been benched, 2nd time deactivated.

I keep saying how you guys have such short memories. You guys dont notice the intangible stuff that makes this Redskin team different from Spurriers squad. Im not telling you guys nothing else because Ive done it countless times and you dont want to hear it. You just want to whine and be ignorant to wut it means to be a decent person, play for a team and to play football.
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Postby HEROHAMO » Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:17 pm

Jake wrote:
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Jake wrote:
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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Simply put, HEROHAMO, "T.O." was the "Domih8er" in the Eagles locker room. Now tell me, who'd want a cancer like that around?:hmm:
He wasnt a cancer until he realized he wasnt getting paid what he deserved


He was told not to sign the contract before he ever did. It's his stupid fault. If he wanted to get paid, all he had to do was sit down and negotiate with Philly but he just wanted to get out of SF. It's his fault.
Im getting a notion you dont want him here either. All Im saying is he isnt as bad a guy that people make him out to be. Why such strong hate from everyone towards him its not like he murdered anyone. Do you remember that time he had that touchdown catch against the Packers when he was with the niners and he started crying. That showed me he had the passion and love for the game which many players these have lost the passion and love. He gripes and moans when there are problems. He has standard of excellence and expects everyone else to uphold that. He goes about it in the wrong ways but nothing that cant be overcome. Everone is ready to put this guy under the bus.


You answered your own question.
Ok point well taken maybe Im desperate in a desperate time? Come on now imagine a stud like T.O. catching touchdowns on Sunday wouldnt that be sweet? Now if he trys to knock gibbs or something like that now that is something else boot his butt outta here. I guess I kinda want to see something happen fast. But hey enduring these couple years have been tough especially living in Cali with a dominated raider crowd and cowboys fans. I get into debates almost each and everyday. Anyways whatever just another day in the Redskins Madness.
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