53-Man Survivor: Update 3, 8.22.06
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53-Man Survivor: Update 3, 8.22.06
by yupchagee » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:17 pm
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53-Man Survivor: Update 3, 8.22.06
By Robert Large
WarpathInsiders.com
Posted Aug 22, 2006
It’s halfway through training camp. The battles for some roster spots appear to be nearing an end while others will have the coaches up late right up until the final cuts Here, WarpathInsiders.com fearlessly predicts who will survive the dreaded Turk and emerge as one of the final 53 men standing along with a look at whose stock is rising and whose is falling.
FINAL 53 MAN ROSTER – LATEST PREDICTION
OFFENSE
QB’s (3) – Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins
RB’s (3) – Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Jesse Lumsden
FB’s (3) – Mike Sellers, Rock Cartwright, Manuel White Jr,
WR’s (5) – Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, David Patten, James Thrash
TE’s (3) – Chris
ey, Christian Fauria, Robert Johnson
OL (9) – Chris Samuels, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Jon Jansen, Mike Pucillo, Tyson Walter, Ikechuku Ndukwe, Spencer Folau
DEFENSE
DL (8) – Renaldo Wynn, Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Phillip Daniels, Joe Savale’a, Demetric Evans, Anthony Montgomery, Cedric Killings
LB’s (7) – Marcus Washington, Warrick Holdman, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh, Jeff Posey, Khary Campbell, Spencer Havner,
CB’s (5) – Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Kenny Wright, Ade Jimoh, Mike Rumph
S’s (4) – Sean Taylor, Adam Archuleta, Pierson Prioleau, Reed Doughty
SPECIAL TEAMS
LS (1) – Ethan Albright
K (1) – John Hall
P (1) – David Lonie
Players in bold italics have been added since last roster prediction
Removed since last prediction: Jonta Woodard (OL), Kedric Golston (DL), Chris Clemons (LB), Dimitri Patterson (DB).
LAST 5 ON
LAST 5 OFF
Robert Johnson TE
Buck Ortega TE
This position is new to the “Last 5 on and off List”. It’s reared its head due to the struggles Robert Johnson has had so far in preseason and on the back of some nice plays by Buck Ortega. Johnson dropped passes in the preseason opener and failed to impress with some poor blocking. Ortega on the other hand has shown flashes of big play potential. The former Hurricane is light for a TE (227lbs) but has deceptive speed and has shown the knack to get deep and get open across the middle resulting in a TD against the Jets and a big pass play late in the Bengals game. Johnson holding on by the slimmest of margins.
Spencer Havner LB Robert McCune LB
We know for sure that Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Warrick Holdman, Rocky McIntosh and Khary Campbell are safe. This leaves the other two LB spots up for grabs. The addition of Jeff Posey seems likely to reduce that to one open spot. Chris Clemons has been waived and Kevin Simon can’t get on the field, so that leaves the battle between two players - Spencer Havner and Robert McCune. Havner right now has the upper hand as McCune struggles for consistency.
Ikechuku Ndukwe G
Jasper Harvey C/Kili Lefotu G
Three young players with plenty of upside who the coaches are high on would be battling for the last spot on the OL. Ndukwe has been under Joe Bugel’s wing for two years now and the coaching staff is high on this young project so he gets the nod for now. We’re still waiting for someone to breakout in this group.
Cedric Killings DT
Kedrick Golston DT
Talk about topsy turvy , Golston had a very good first week of camp but in the first two preseason games Killings drew special mention from Gregg Williams for how he played at the point of attack. This IS close!
Manuel White FB
Nehemiah Broughton FB
We didn’t see much of Manny White against the Jets but he had a fine game against the Bengals. Nemo on the other hand had a fumble against the Jets which will put him further in the doghouse. I now expect White to win this battle. However, both could make it if Jesse Lumsden fails to impress and Rock Cartwright is moved back to RB.
THE SKINS STOCK MARKET
RISING STOCKS
WR Mike Espy – Despite dropping three or four catchable passes against the Jets he still has shown great speed and route running. Still a lock for the PS at this stage.
CB Mike Rumph – He was the butt of everyone’s jokes in San Francisco but after the Jets game its easy to see why he was chased by the defensive coaches. The kid has talent, hits and tackles hard. It just needs to be coached – and who better than Williams and Gray?
P Derrick Frost – It’s obvious Gibbs likes the guy. What more can you say.
FALLING STOCKS
LB Robert McCune– In Dale Lindsey’s own words…..”He's not where we want him. Robert turned out to be a good special teams players last year, and if you're backup linebacker here we expect you to be a good in that area. But we expect him to rise this year when he's playing middle linebacker. And right now, I don't see him where we want him.” After a good first preseason game, McCune slipped back again against the Jets. Needs some consistency.
OT Jim Molinaro – just doesn’t look to have improved his game to the level where he would be considered a solid NFL backup tackle, now he’s injured and unable to compete and to cap off a good couple of weeks, the Skins signed his replacement in Spencer Folau.
LB Kevin Simon – a seventh round pick who can’t get on the field due to injury in a group that boasts the best combined talent on the team is bad news.
THE PRACTICE SQUAD PREDICTION
Here’s my final 8 man practice squad prediction, assuming the 53 man roster I posted above is the final one and initial cut players are still available…..
1. LB Kevin Simon
2. DT Kedrick Golston
3. OL Kili Lefotu
4. OL Jasper Harvey
5. LB Robert McCune
6. FB Nehemiah Broughton
7. WR Mike Espy
8. CB Christian Morton
Changes from last prediction listed in bold italics. Removed from list DT Manaia Brown and CB John Eubanks
53-Man Survivor: Update 3, 8.22.06
By Robert Large
WarpathInsiders.com
Posted Aug 22, 2006
It’s halfway through training camp. The battles for some roster spots appear to be nearing an end while others will have the coaches up late right up until the final cuts Here, WarpathInsiders.com fearlessly predicts who will survive the dreaded Turk and emerge as one of the final 53 men standing along with a look at whose stock is rising and whose is falling.
FINAL 53 MAN ROSTER – LATEST PREDICTION
OFFENSE
QB’s (3) – Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins
RB’s (3) – Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Jesse Lumsden
FB’s (3) – Mike Sellers, Rock Cartwright, Manuel White Jr,
WR’s (5) – Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, David Patten, James Thrash
TE’s (3) – Chris
ey, Christian Fauria, Robert Johnson
OL (9) – Chris Samuels, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Jon Jansen, Mike Pucillo, Tyson Walter, Ikechuku Ndukwe, Spencer Folau
DEFENSE
DL (8) – Renaldo Wynn, Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Phillip Daniels, Joe Savale’a, Demetric Evans, Anthony Montgomery, Cedric Killings
LB’s (7) – Marcus Washington, Warrick Holdman, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh, Jeff Posey, Khary Campbell, Spencer Havner,
CB’s (5) – Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Kenny Wright, Ade Jimoh, Mike Rumph
S’s (4) – Sean Taylor, Adam Archuleta, Pierson Prioleau, Reed Doughty
SPECIAL TEAMS
LS (1) – Ethan Albright
K (1) – John Hall
P (1) – David Lonie
Players in bold italics have been added since last roster prediction
Removed since last prediction: Jonta Woodard (OL), Kedric Golston (DL), Chris Clemons (LB), Dimitri Patterson (DB).
LAST 5 ON
LAST 5 OFF
Robert Johnson TE
Buck Ortega TE
This position is new to the “Last 5 on and off List”. It’s reared its head due to the struggles Robert Johnson has had so far in preseason and on the back of some nice plays by Buck Ortega. Johnson dropped passes in the preseason opener and failed to impress with some poor blocking. Ortega on the other hand has shown flashes of big play potential. The former Hurricane is light for a TE (227lbs) but has deceptive speed and has shown the knack to get deep and get open across the middle resulting in a TD against the Jets and a big pass play late in the Bengals game. Johnson holding on by the slimmest of margins.
Spencer Havner LB Robert McCune LB
We know for sure that Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Warrick Holdman, Rocky McIntosh and Khary Campbell are safe. This leaves the other two LB spots up for grabs. The addition of Jeff Posey seems likely to reduce that to one open spot. Chris Clemons has been waived and Kevin Simon can’t get on the field, so that leaves the battle between two players - Spencer Havner and Robert McCune. Havner right now has the upper hand as McCune struggles for consistency.
Ikechuku Ndukwe G
Jasper Harvey C/Kili Lefotu G
Three young players with plenty of upside who the coaches are high on would be battling for the last spot on the OL. Ndukwe has been under Joe Bugel’s wing for two years now and the coaching staff is high on this young project so he gets the nod for now. We’re still waiting for someone to breakout in this group.
Cedric Killings DT
Kedrick Golston DT
Talk about topsy turvy , Golston had a very good first week of camp but in the first two preseason games Killings drew special mention from Gregg Williams for how he played at the point of attack. This IS close!
Manuel White FB
Nehemiah Broughton FB
We didn’t see much of Manny White against the Jets but he had a fine game against the Bengals. Nemo on the other hand had a fumble against the Jets which will put him further in the doghouse. I now expect White to win this battle. However, both could make it if Jesse Lumsden fails to impress and Rock Cartwright is moved back to RB.
THE SKINS STOCK MARKET
RISING STOCKS
WR Mike Espy – Despite dropping three or four catchable passes against the Jets he still has shown great speed and route running. Still a lock for the PS at this stage.
CB Mike Rumph – He was the butt of everyone’s jokes in San Francisco but after the Jets game its easy to see why he was chased by the defensive coaches. The kid has talent, hits and tackles hard. It just needs to be coached – and who better than Williams and Gray?
P Derrick Frost – It’s obvious Gibbs likes the guy. What more can you say.
FALLING STOCKS
LB Robert McCune– In Dale Lindsey’s own words…..”He's not where we want him. Robert turned out to be a good special teams players last year, and if you're backup linebacker here we expect you to be a good in that area. But we expect him to rise this year when he's playing middle linebacker. And right now, I don't see him where we want him.” After a good first preseason game, McCune slipped back again against the Jets. Needs some consistency.
OT Jim Molinaro – just doesn’t look to have improved his game to the level where he would be considered a solid NFL backup tackle, now he’s injured and unable to compete and to cap off a good couple of weeks, the Skins signed his replacement in Spencer Folau.
LB Kevin Simon – a seventh round pick who can’t get on the field due to injury in a group that boasts the best combined talent on the team is bad news.
THE PRACTICE SQUAD PREDICTION
Here’s my final 8 man practice squad prediction, assuming the 53 man roster I posted above is the final one and initial cut players are still available…..
1. LB Kevin Simon
2. DT Kedrick Golston
3. OL Kili Lefotu
4. OL Jasper Harvey
5. LB Robert McCune
6. FB Nehemiah Broughton
7. WR Mike Espy
8. CB Christian Morton
Changes from last prediction listed in bold italics. Removed from list DT Manaia Brown and CB John Eubanks
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by joebagadonuts » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:22 am
No mention of Jimmy Farris? The guy just keeps hustling and making plays, it's too bad we don't have a spot for him.
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by 1niksder » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:30 am
Manuel White FB
Nehemiah Broughton FB
We didn’t see much of Manny White against the Jets but he had a fine game against the Bengals. Nemo on the other hand had a fumble against the Jets which will put him further in the doghouse. I now expect White to win this battle. However, both could make it if Jesse Lumsden fails to impress and Rock Cartwright is moved back to RB.
What a difference a day makes. Rock's postition really doesn't matter he'll make the squad based on teams play alone. Throw Duckett in the mix and both White ans Nemo could be looking for work
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by Cooley47 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:57 pm
My Updated 53 8 - 23 - 06
QB (3) Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins
RB (3) Clinton Portis, T.J. Duckett, Ladell Betts
FB (2) Mike Sellers, Rock Cartwright
WR (5) Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randel El, David Patten, James Thrash
TE (3) Chrisey, Christian Fauria, Robert Johnson
OL (9) Jon Jansen, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels, Mike Pucillo, Tyson Walter, Spencer Folau, Jim Molinaro
DL (8 ) Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Renaldo Wynn, Philip Daniels, Joe Salave'a, Cedric Killings, Anthony Montgomery, Kedrick Golston
LB (7) Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh, Warrick Holdman, Jeff Posey, Khari Campbell, Robert McCune
CB (5) Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Kenny Wright, Mike Rumph, Ade Jimoh
S (5) Sean Taylor, Adam Archuleta, Pierson Prioleau, Reed Doughty, Antuan Edwards
LS (1) Ethan Albright
K (1) John Hall
P (1) Derrick Frost
Practice Squad
1. Manuel Wright Jr.
2. Kevin Simon
3. Christian Morton
4. Spencer Havner
5. Jesse Lumsden
6. Mike Espy
7. Demetric Evans
8. Kili Lefotu
QB (3) Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins
RB (3) Clinton Portis, T.J. Duckett, Ladell Betts
FB (2) Mike Sellers, Rock Cartwright
WR (5) Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randel El, David Patten, James Thrash
TE (3) Chris
ey, Christian Fauria, Robert Johnson
OL (9) Jon Jansen, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels, Mike Pucillo, Tyson Walter, Spencer Folau, Jim Molinaro
DL (8 ) Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Renaldo Wynn, Philip Daniels, Joe Salave'a, Cedric Killings, Anthony Montgomery, Kedrick Golston
LB (7) Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh, Warrick Holdman, Jeff Posey, Khari Campbell, Robert McCune
CB (5) Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Kenny Wright, Mike Rumph, Ade Jimoh
S (5) Sean Taylor, Adam Archuleta, Pierson Prioleau, Reed Doughty, Antuan Edwards
LS (1) Ethan Albright
K (1) John Hall
P (1) Derrick Frost
Practice Squad
1. Manuel Wright Jr.
2. Kevin Simon
3. Christian Morton
4. Spencer Havner
5. Jesse Lumsden
6. Mike Espy
7. Demetric Evans
8. Kili Lefotu
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God I wish we had a second round pick.
by yupchagee » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:44 pm
Cooley47 wrote:My Updated 53 8 - 23 - 06
QB (3) Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins
RB (3) Clinton Portis, T.J. Duckett, Ladell Betts
FB (2) Mike Sellers, Rock Cartwright
WR (5) Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randel El, David Patten, James Thrash
TE (3) Chris
OL (9) Jon Jansen, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels, Mike Pucillo, Tyson Walter, Spencer Folau, Jim Molinaro
DL (8 ) Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Renaldo Wynn, Philip Daniels, Joe Salave'a, Cedric Killings, Anthony Montgomery, Kedrick Golston
LB (7) Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh, Warrick Holdman, Jeff Posey, Khari Campbell, Robert McCune
CB (5) Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Kenny Wright, Mike Rumph, Ade Jimoh
S (5) Sean Taylor, Adam Archuleta, Pierson Prioleau, Reed Doughty, Antuan Edwards
LS (1) Ethan Albright
K (1) John Hall
P (1) Derrick Frost
Practice Squad
1. Manuel Wright Jr.
2. Kevin Simon
3. Christian Morton
4. Spencer Havner
5. Jesse Lumsden
6. Mike Espy
7. Demetric Evans
8. Kili Lefotu
You only have 3 DE's, I think we'll keep 4 (Evans) who I think has been in the league too long to be on the PS. I think Golston will make the PS. If Springs & Jimoh are still hurting when the season starts, I think we'll keep a 6th CB, probably Morton or Patterson. In that case we will carry 4 S. I don't thing Molinaro has shown enough (& is injured now) to make the team. I think Ndukwe will make the team.
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by Cooley47 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:33 pm
yupchagee wrote:Cooley47 wrote:My Updated 53 8 - 23 - 06
QB (3) Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins
RB (3) Clinton Portis, T.J. Duckett, Ladell Betts
FB (2) Mike Sellers, Rock Cartwright
WR (5) Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randel El, David Patten, James Thrash
TE (3) Chris
OL (9) Jon Jansen, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels, Mike Pucillo, Tyson Walter, Spencer Folau, Jim Molinaro
DL (8 ) Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Renaldo Wynn, Philip Daniels, Joe Salave'a, Cedric Killings, Anthony Montgomery, Kedrick Golston
LB (7) Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh, Warrick Holdman, Jeff Posey, Khari Campbell, Robert McCune
CB (5) Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Kenny Wright, Mike Rumph, Ade Jimoh
S (5) Sean Taylor, Adam Archuleta, Pierson Prioleau, Reed Doughty, Antuan Edwards
LS (1) Ethan Albright
K (1) John Hall
P (1) Derrick Frost
Practice Squad
1. Manuel Wright Jr.
2. Kevin Simon
3. Christian Morton
4. Spencer Havner
5. Jesse Lumsden
6. Mike Espy
7. Demetric Evans
8. Kili Lefotu
You only have 3 DE's, I think we'll keep 4 (Evans) who I think has been in the league too long to be on the PS. I think Golston will make the PS. If Springs & Jimoh are still hurting when the season starts, I think we'll keep a 6th CB, probably Morton or Patterson. In that case we will carry 4 S. I don't thing Molinaro has shown enough (& is injured now) to make the team. I think Ndukwe will make the team.
Ok..... I already saw yours.
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God I wish we had a second round pick.
by yupchagee » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:12 pm
Cooley47 wrote:yupchagee wrote:Cooley47 wrote:My Updated 53 8 - 23 - 06
QB (3) Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins
RB (3) Clinton Portis, T.J. Duckett, Ladell Betts
FB (2) Mike Sellers, Rock Cartwright
WR (5) Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randel El, David Patten, James Thrash
TE (3) Chris
OL (9) Jon Jansen, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels, Mike Pucillo, Tyson Walter, Spencer Folau, Jim Molinaro
DL (8 ) Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Renaldo Wynn, Philip Daniels, Joe Salave'a, Cedric Killings, Anthony Montgomery, Kedrick Golston
LB (7) Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh, Warrick Holdman, Jeff Posey, Khari Campbell, Robert McCune
CB (5) Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Kenny Wright, Mike Rumph, Ade Jimoh
S (5) Sean Taylor, Adam Archuleta, Pierson Prioleau, Reed Doughty, Antuan Edwards
LS (1) Ethan Albright
K (1) John Hall
P (1) Derrick Frost
Practice Squad
1. Manuel Wright Jr.
2. Kevin Simon
3. Christian Morton
4. Spencer Havner
5. Jesse Lumsden
6. Mike Espy
7. Demetric Evans
8. Kili Lefotu
You only have 3 DE's, I think we'll keep 4 (Evans) who I think has been in the league too long to be on the PS. I think Golston will make the PS. If Springs & Jimoh are still hurting when the season starts, I think we'll keep a 6th CB, probably Morton or Patterson. In that case we will carry 4 S. I don't thing Molinaro has shown enough (& is injured now) to make the team. I think Ndukwe will make the team.
Ok..... I already saw yours.
That 1 wasn't mine. It's from scout.com.
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"The constitution is not a suicide pact"- Abraham Lincoln
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by yupchagee » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:42 pm
My projected depth chart. (note I've shifted the #'s at some positions because it looks like we'll be starting the season with 4 players- Portis, Betts, Springs & Jimoh- injured):
WR (5): Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, Patten, Thrash
OL (8): Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Pucillo, Walter, Ndukwe
TE (3): Cooley, Fauria, Ortega
QB (3): Brunell, Campbell, Collins
RB (4): Portis, Duckett, Betts, Lumsden
FB (2): Sellers, Cartwright
DL (8): Daniels, Griiffin, Salave’a , Carter, Wynn, Montgomery, Killings, Evans
LB (7): Washington, Marshall, Holdman, McIntosh, Campbell, McCune, Havner
CB (6): Springs, Rogers, Wright, Rumph, Jimoh, Morton
S (4): Taylor, Archuletta, Prioleau, Doughty
LS (1): Albright
K (1): Hall
P (1): Lonie
WR (5): Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, Patten, Thrash
OL (8): Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Pucillo, Walter, Ndukwe
TE (3): Cooley, Fauria, Ortega
QB (3): Brunell, Campbell, Collins
RB (4): Portis, Duckett, Betts, Lumsden
FB (2): Sellers, Cartwright
DL (8): Daniels, Griiffin, Salave’a , Carter, Wynn, Montgomery, Killings, Evans
LB (7): Washington, Marshall, Holdman, McIntosh, Campbell, McCune, Havner
CB (6): Springs, Rogers, Wright, Rumph, Jimoh, Morton
S (4): Taylor, Archuletta, Prioleau, Doughty
LS (1): Albright
K (1): Hall
P (1): Lonie
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"The constitution is not a suicide pact"- Abraham Lincoln
"The constitution is not a suicide pact"- Abraham Lincoln
by Fios » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:45 pm
You can find an updating depth chart on this very site
RIP Sean Taylor
by yupchagee » Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:00 pm
Fios wrote:You can find an updating depth chart on this very site
I know. That is everyone on the roster now. I'm predicting (WAG method) who will make the final cut.
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"The constitution is not a suicide pact"- Abraham Lincoln
"The constitution is not a suicide pact"- Abraham Lincoln
by Fios » Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:09 pm
yupchagee wrote:Fios wrote:You can find an updating depth chart on this very site
I know. That is everyone on the roster now. I'm predicting (WAG method) who will make the final cut.
That's cool, I was going for the PSA angle more than anything else
RIP Sean Taylor
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