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absinthe1023
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | absinthe1023 wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | absinthe1023 wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | Some people that have posted on this subject seam to think that signing 1st round picks are more expensive then FA. They couln't be further form the truth.
Reggie Nelson was the 21st pick in last years draft. Here is his contract info:
"Durant signed a four-year deal that included $1.72 million in guaranteed money Friday morning, and Nelson agreed to terms on a five-year deal later that night. Nelson's total package, including escalators if he meets certain goals, is in the $13.1 million range, with $7.1 million guaranteed. "
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/072807/jag_187488560.shtml
Unless drafted in the first few picks.
Calvin Johnson who was picked #2 overall was signed a pretty hefty deal:
"Signed a six-year, $55.5 million contract. The deal contains $27.178 million in guarantees, including an initial roster bonus of $2.502 million and his base salaries in years four and five. Another $8.5 million is available through incentives. 2008: $3,483,438, 2009: $4,180,125, 2010: $4,876,813, 2011: $5,573,500, 2012: $6,270,188, 2013: Free Agent
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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=Nfl&id=4153
But that is still less than the $66M 6 year deal Marvin Harrison signed in 2004.
Rookies are almost always cheaper than FAs. The only advantages you get w/a FA is they don't cost you a draft pick and should have a good idea if they can play at an NFL level. Unless you pick guys like Lloyd and AA and extremely overpay for underperformers. I don't count ARE as a bust, because he has been a very good #3 WR and a pretty good #2 - still don't like him trying to house every punt return when he should just get the ten yards he can get. |
You've given an extreme example by listing Marvin Harrison as an example. Of course his contract is huge, he's one of the very best in the game.
I'm curious as to who you think would be the more costly acquisition:
DJ Hackett (FA contract only) or Limas Sweed (rookie contract and first round pick). I'm not interested in arguing the merits of either acquisition, just curious which option you think would be the most expensive overall.... |
If taken w/the 21st overall pick Sweed would be way more affordable than Hacket or any verteran WR. Look at how much cheap Nelson was.
By the way Harrison's contract is 4 years old now and a top veteran WR like OchoCinco or Fitzgerald would cost us even more than Harrison did the Colts. |
Hackett made 1.3 million last year. Given the fact that he is a risky signing for any new team due to his well-documented injury history, I think he could be acquired for a much more reasonable contract than Nelson's deal mentioned above, particularly with respect to guaranteed money. It's very likely that he'll end up signing a deal laden with incentives for games played, number of snaps, etc. |
Has this front office ever signed a FA for less than what Nelson's rookie contract is? |
That's the definition of a rhetorical question. I didn't even mention that aspect of the situation because it felt too obvious....the now-standard elephant in the room whenever FA acquisitions are discussed.... |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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NFL - Sports Rumors Washington looking for help at wide receiver
Thursday, Feb 28, 2008 11:48 am EST
Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and Executive Vice-President Vinny Cerrato covet Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chad Johnson, but the Bengals remain steadfast they will not deal him. Washington also has interest in free agent wide receiver D.J. Hackett of the Seattle Seahawks, league sources said, but only at the right price.
The Patriots' Randy Moss is the biggest name eligible for free agency, but several league sources said they would be shocked if he did not re-sign with New England the Washington Post reported.
From Yahoo. |
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yupchagee
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Latest rumor:
http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/04/01/chad-johnson-to-redskins-in-secret-deal/
| Quote: | Chad Johnson to Redskins in secret deal
By Anthony Brown | April 1st, 2008
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Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown made known to agent Drew Rosenhaus that he was relenting on a possible trade for wide receiver Chad Johnson. Brown finally lost all patience with Johnson and his antics and would like to be rid of a headache.
That was all Rosenhaus needed to approach Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder about trading for Johnson. Rosenhaus and Johnson met Snyder in a cocktail bar at the NFL owner’s meeting in Palm Beach, Fla. But, Snyder deferred to new executive vice president Vinny Cerrato who now makes all personnel calls for the team.
According to sources who wish to remain anonymous because they are not authorized to speak for the teams, Cerrato balked at Johnson’s price tag but relented with Rosenhaus’ offer to structure a back end loaded deal that would protect the Redskins’ salary cap position in 2008 and ‘09, but could guarantee Johnson over $10 million per year starting in 2010 when the salary cap will go away with the voided Collective Bargaining Agreement.
The teams have a handshake agreement on the deal, but will not announce it until draft day, April 26. The Bengals, who have the ninth pick in the first round, will receive the Redskins’ first and fourth round draft pick.
This story was written on April 1.
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Of course this rumor has us trading a pick we don't even have, & there will probably be a CBA in place for the 2010 season, so this looks suspicious. |
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GSPODS
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| yupchagee wrote: | Latest rumor:
http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/04/01/chad-johnson-to-redskins-in-secret-deal/
| Quote: | Chad Johnson to Redskins in secret deal
By Anthony Brown | April 1st, 2008
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Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown made known to agent Drew Rosenhaus that he was relenting on a possible trade for wide receiver Chad Johnson. Brown finally lost all patience with Johnson and his antics and would like to be rid of a headache.
That was all Rosenhaus needed to approach Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder about trading for Johnson. Rosenhaus and Johnson met Snyder in a cocktail bar at the NFL owner’s meeting in Palm Beach, Fla. But, Snyder deferred to new executive vice president Vinny Cerrato who now makes all personnel calls for the team.
According to sources who wish to remain anonymous because they are not authorized to speak for the teams, Cerrato balked at Johnson’s price tag but relented with Rosenhaus’ offer to structure a back end loaded deal that would protect the Redskins’ salary cap position in 2008 and ‘09, but could guarantee Johnson over $10 million per year starting in 2010 when the salary cap will go away with the voided Collective Bargaining Agreement.
The teams have a handshake agreement on the deal, but will not announce it until draft day, April 26. The Bengals, who have the ninth pick in the first round, will receive the Redskins’ first and fourth round draft pick.
This story was written on April 1.
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Of course this rumor has us trading a pick we don't even have, & there will probably be a CBA in place for the 2010 season, so this looks suspicious. |
This was a bad attempt at an April Fool's Day joke. |
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