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Countertrey
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Poisoning the Well? Reply with quote

On reading of Mike Holmgren's remarks, it has become increasingly clear that the Redskins ownership seems to be Poisoning the well. Are the antics of Cerrato and Snyder going to make finding a good coach an impossibility? Is there even a possibility of a real GM? Read the blog... discuss.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great Blog.

My reading of the situation is similar:

I do not see V. Cerrato out of the organization. I see all the signs of "we are in this together until death do us part" between Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato.

I cannot see how a serious GM or Head Coach can come here under the conditions and management style that these two individuals like to impose on everybody at Redskin Park, and the history put together over the last decade.

I can only see players who want big pay cheques wanting to come here.

My reading of the situation is that Dan Snyder is convinced that marketing, advertising and re-packaging will give him the extra time that he needs to build a "winner".

He is convinced he can still do it. THIS is the problem: EGO. Rolling Eyes

He is miscalculating the anger and frustration among the fans. He feels he can spin it or even censor it. It is another huge miscalculation.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I can speak for thousands when I say...If the wholesale changes are not made in the offseason, I am through. I've had it, tired of supporting Danny's vision or lack thereof.

Demands: I need to see Vinny fired and replaced by a top level GM and HE will choose the coach and players. I need to see the fat cut from this team in the offseason and a strong draft.

Wants: A top level President of Football operations (Parcells or Dungy) to pick a GM and keep Snyder out of anything football. This would be icing on the cake and not something that I demand, but it would be the best way to fix the entire thing.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great read! really well done!

After the Kansas City game, I got the feeling that we may in fact see some productive wholesale changes in the front office. The piece from Tony Kornheiser, were he talked about sitting in the owners box and how Snyder felt embarrassed for the fans, admitted mistakes etc, I thought signaled the team would ride out this season and Snyder was starting to "get it." After the antics with Sherm Lewis, banning signs, blaming the Post and other media outlets for the problems both on the field and in the stands, I don't have that same hope any longer.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir_Monk wrote:
Great read! really well done!

After the Kansas City game, I got the feeling that we may in fact see some productive wholesale changes in the front office. The piece from Tony Kornheiser, were he talked about sitting in the owners box and how Snyder felt embarrassed for the fans, admitted mistakes etc, I thought signaled the team would ride out this season and Snyder was starting to "get it." After the antics with Sherm Lewis, banning signs, blaming the Post and other media outlets for the problems both on the field and in the stands, I don't have that same hope any longer.


To think this could actually get worse in the offseason is just depressing. I would be crushed if he doesn't do the right thing and bring in a Top level GM and maybe even a team president, but you're right, he's continued to demonstrate that he doesn't know how.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you think the players feel. I wouldn't want to play for Vinny either. They're actually doing us a favor and we don't even know it. We should bring signs to the game that say thanks... d'oh!
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone needs to go. Start fresh. All the way from the yes man to the water boy. I'll sacrifice the good for the bad b/c I really don't see anyone who is doing well enough on the staff to warrant a pass.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone says I'm a negative Nancy, I've just seen the writing on the wall for a while now. It's crazy how the super positive people are taking this so hard, but then again I used to also. Eventually you become jaded to it... My last glimmer of hope is that Vinny is gone. If he's not, wow, I dunno. I don't know what I'll do.

Nobody wants to coach here, or so it seems. Nobody worth a damn that will force needed changes will come here.

I still want Marty back.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: Poisoning the Well? Reply with quote

Countertrey wrote:
On reading of Mike Holmgren's remarks, it has become increasingly clear that the Redskins ownership seems to be Poisoning the well. Are the antics of Cerrato and Snyder going to make finding a good coach an impossibility? Is there even a possibility of a real GM? Read the blog... discuss.



This is why we ended up with coach Z in the first place.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Poisoning the Well? Reply with quote

SKINFAN wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
On reading of Mike Holmgren's remarks, it has become increasingly clear that the Redskins ownership seems to be Poisoning the well. Are the antics of Cerrato and Snyder going to make finding a good coach an impossibility? Is there even a possibility of a real GM? Read the blog... discuss.



This is why we ended up with coach Z in the first place.


Good point. LMAO ANd not it's gotten worse. Laughing
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The five words that best describes the situation was -- "fruit of a poisoned tree."

And they've spent too long pruning branches.

When the tree is poisoned, you start chopping the trunk and pulling out the roots.

Then you salvage whatever you can for firewood.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Redskin in Canada wrote:
I do not see V. Cerrato out of the organization. I see all the signs of "we are in this together until death do us part" between Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato.


Yeah I'm starting to get that same feeling. The Browns just fired their GM today. Why is Cerrato still safe?

I think most everyone agrees it would be kind of stupid to fire Zorn at this point in the season. But if you were going to bring in a GM, wouldn't now be a great time to do it? The new GM would have half a season to evaluate the coaches and players in action. It would also put everybody on notice.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
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I still want Marty back.


Man, I could not agree more!
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

riggofan wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:
I do not see V. Cerrato out of the organization. I see all the signs of "we are in this together until death do us part" between Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato.


Yeah I'm starting to get that same feeling. The Browns just fired their GM today. Why is Cerrato still safe?

Because there is more to this partnership than you know. No, I do not mean fraternal love ...

... I mean business. Cerrato has invested, and lost, a pile of money into Dan Snyder's ventures. Danny got him there in the first place. Only God literally knows what kind of legal actions would take place if Snyder fires Cerrato.

It is a lot more complex tha most folks know. That's why. Crying or Very sad
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VetSkinsFan wrote:
Everyone needs to go. Start fresh. All the way from the yes man to the water boy. I'll sacrifice the good for the bad b/c I really don't see anyone who is doing well enough on the staff to warrant a pass.


I, hesitantly, tend to agree. If you are going to get rid of the GM, a ton of people are going to follow. It is my understanding that MOST of the skins scouts hate Vinny and think he is an idiot. If we were able to figure out (outside of Vinny and Danny) who should go, that would be great. But, I am sure there are some quality people within the organziation that should stay. I understand it would be difficult to definitively know who was worth their paycheck, especially with the amount of filth within the franchise, so in that respect, guess I would tend to agree that we should get rid of everyone only because of the difficulty of knowing who had talent.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep Cooley and the defense, and purge the rest.
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