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VetSkinsFan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | VetSkinsFan wrote: | | That's something that we need to instill as parents. I don't blame the schools for that. |
Got it. Government schools can hire teachers with all our money to ram liberalism down the throats of our own children and it's our job as parents to undo that, but when it comes to teaching morality to our children we can't force our values on others. Sure Vet, thanks for that clarification, I understand what's wrong with my argument now. 
Hey Kids, Bush is the devil, he lied us into Iraq, the Democrats are just good, hard working honest people trying to undo that damage.
Vet: Hey, you don't agree parents, it's YOUR job to teach your kids your views.
Hey Kids, murder is wrong, there is too much hate, there is a better way
Vet: Hold on there, don't indoctrinate our kids with your views, that's just wrong.
I'm curious how you're going to spin you didn't say what you said. |
First of all, I don't even know if Democrats of liberal or conservative, so the labels and 'spin' you keep throwing at me don't matter in the least. You should know that by now.
All I'm saying is that it is, in fact, the parents job to do their best to instill good moral beahvior in to their child(ren). After about age 12, they won't listen to much of what you say, anyway.
This applies to anything IMO. It's MY FREAKIN JOB to mold my children in to law abiding future citizens. I don't blame the government that my son's 1st school was only at 67% English proficiency rating. It didn't satisfy my requirements, I moved.
And it IS my job to show my children the fallacies of any situation in order for them to be smart in their decision-making. To learn to think for themselves and question what they feel needs questioning after critical consideration.
Spin THAT however you want, Mr Politico. |
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Deadskins
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Our schools are as hard left as our media |
Did you learn that on Fox News, too? |
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Cappster
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Cappster wrote: | | I think calling schools "indoctrination camps" is extreme. You cannot watch a few youtube videos of students singing about Obama and paint all teachers with the same extreme leftist brush. That is a logical fallacy on your part Kazoo. Can you provide concrete evidence which validates the basis of your argument? |
Well, my daughter who's a freshman at Duke went to K through 12, 13 years and my eighth grader is in her 9th year of school so I'm currently in my 22nd year.
There was no tongue in cheek in that statement. Our school systems pound liberal ideals into our children constantly and there is no counter view allowed. Our schools are as hard left as our media only our children are captives of them.
I hope to God your failure to recognize the political extremity of our children's educational environment is because you don't have kids, at least not school age ones, and not that you're that blind to it. |
Actually, I work at a school (not a teacher) and I actually have discussed this issue with a few social studies teachers. Each of them said the same thing and that they present the material objectively. They keep their own political views out of the classroom. I cannot verify if they do exactly as they claim, but I haven't personally seen anything to refute their claim.
I will admit that College is a different story than K-12. I am in the process of achieving a BS degree and I know college professors can be leftist. In my own personal experience, I would say just about all of my professors have expressed their liberal views in one way or another...some more extreme than others. I don't think its as prevalent in K-12 as it is in college. |
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Countertrey
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| mmmm, mmmm, mmmm. |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Our schools are as hard left as our media |
Did you learn that on Fox News, too? |
It's sad that hearing multiple sides of an issue scares you so. So don't watch Fox. It's a lot easier hearing one side of an issue as the liberal media presents so you don't get confused with having to think and stuff. |
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Deadskins
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Our schools are as hard left as our media |
Did you learn that on Fox News, too? |
It's sad that hearing multiple sides of an issue scares you so. So don't watch Fox. It's a lot easier hearing one side of an issue as the liberal media presents so you don't get confused with having to think and stuff. |
Yeah, Fox really presents multiple sides of an issue. Talk about not thinking! That you believe the conservative-owned, corporate media is liberal, still astounds me. If the sensationalist infotainment put on by so-called news organizations comes across as liberal to you, then they are achieving their objective. That you can't see past the obvious subterfuge, designed to divide the populace along political lines, only proves how gullible and utterly bamboozled you are. Do you believe professional wrestling is real, too? |
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RayNAustin
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Teach and preach the "Buybull" .... label all those a-rabs as terrorists, and support the war on terrorism. Blow those rag heads to kingdom come, and let our imperialist will be done.
Get rid of those peacenik leftist fags, and teach our children to bomb the you know what outa everybody that doesn't go to church on Sunday.
I'm with you kazoo .... KAZOO for President !!! |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Our schools are as hard left as our media |
Did you learn that on Fox News, too? |
It's sad that hearing multiple sides of an issue scares you so. So don't watch Fox. It's a lot easier hearing one side of an issue as the liberal media presents so you don't get confused with having to think and stuff. |
Yeah, Fox really presents multiple sides of an issue. Talk about not thinking! That you believe the conservative-owned, corporate media is liberal, still astounds me. If the sensationalist infotainment put on by so-called news organizations comes across as liberal to you, then they are achieving their objective. That you can't see past the obvious subterfuge, designed to divide the populace along political lines, only proves how gullible and utterly bamboozled you are. Do you believe professional wrestling is real, too? |
I don't watch Fox much, it's OK, you brought them up. Sure, they are Republican, but you will see Democrats on the channel all day long speaking for themselves. Republican views on the rest of the liberal media are virtually non-existent. That's why Fox is bashing in the rest of the media's brains. It's not that they are Republican, it's that they allow debate, it's a lot more interesting.
Same as why right radio hosts dominate. They move liberals to the front of the line and let them on the air. You will never hear a dissenting view on Air Head America. Actually I listen to it because it's so funny, but it's a lot more interesting hearing actual discussion of issues not one sided presentations of either side. That's why Fox is so much better then the rest of the liberal media, not because they are conservative. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with hearing non-liberal views, don't let it bother you so much. My issue with the liberal media is exactly that, I don't object to their being liberal, I object to their one sided presentation of the news.
You are a holdout BTW, all my moderate liberal friends I've had this debate with for years have actually been sickened by the media's constantly blowing Obama. You seriously look at the vitriol that was heaped on W for 8 years and their becoming Obama's mouthpiece (in more ways then one) and you don't see any bias? Seriously? |
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Cappster
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| If you would like a truly different perspective of new, watch BBC America. Their programming is presented a lot differently then the "hot and bothered" debating that is constant on American news channels. |
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Irn-Bru
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I honestly don't know how anyone can stand watching any of the 24/7 news channels. You can easily take stock of current events with less than a couple of hours of internet surfing a week. And if you just have to see the interviews, it's easy to find videos online that cut out the fluff and commericals. And as for the opinion-spouters and talk radio guys, I can't see the value in ever paying attention to what they are saying.
I find it much better to spend my time doing other things, but apparently I'm in the minority on this one. |
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Deadskins
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You're still missing the point, Kaz. The fact that they are presenting the "news" in a one-sided manner, is designed to have the very effect it is having on you. Again, do you watch professional wrestling and say to yourself "Why is the referee allowing that?" The fix is in, bro. They make their money by playing one side against the other.
Actually, I'm surprised you're still with us. I thought your head would have exploded when Obama was awarded the Nobel Prize.  |
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Cappster
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Irn-Bru wrote: | I honestly don't know how anyone can stand watching any of the 24/7 news channels. You can easily take stock of current events with less than a couple of hours of internet surfing a week. And if you just have to see the interviews, it's easy to find videos online that cut out the fluff and commericals. And as for the opinion-spouters and talk radio guys, I can't see the value in ever paying attention to what they are saying.
I find it much better to spend my time doing other things, but apparently I'm in the minority on this one. |
I hardly ever watch news as I like to do something productive or entertaining with my time. BBCA is not a 24/7 news channel unlike the other cable news networks. I believe BBCA presents the news objectively not subjectively like the other stations. I still cannot get my dad to turn the station from Faux news as that is all he watches.  |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | You're still missing the point, Kaz. The fact that they are presenting the "news" in a one-sided manner, is designed to have the very effect it is having on you. Again, do you watch professional wrestling and say to yourself "Why is the referee allowing that?" The fix is in, bro. They make their money by playing one side against the other. |
Fox makes me hate both parties? 
So who bothers you so much, "Fox" is broad. And why do you hold them to a standard and not the rest of the Bush is the devil Obama is our virginal beloved savior to none?
| Deadskins wrote: | | Actually, I'm surprised you're still with us. I thought your head would have exploded when Obama was awarded the Nobel Prize. |
So Obama won the International Leftist Man of the Year award, aka the Nobel Appeasment Prize. How is that different then when Gore or Carter won it for hating America or they awarded it to a terrorist? Why now? |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Irn-Bru wrote: | I honestly don't know how anyone can stand watching any of the 24/7 news channels. You can easily take stock of current events with less than a couple of hours of internet surfing a week. And if you just have to see the interviews, it's easy to find videos online that cut out the fluff and commericals. And as for the opinion-spouters and talk radio guys, I can't see the value in ever paying attention to what they are saying.
I find it much better to spend my time doing other things, but apparently I'm in the minority on this one. |
I'm not sure that because we know what they cover that implies how we generally spend our time. I almost never watch any News channel for the same reason as you. I was referring to the media in general, not just news. It's just that Deadskins brought up Fox. I may not watch them a lot, but I've seen enough to know the main players. |
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Deadskins
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | You're still missing the point, Kaz. The fact that they are presenting the "news" in a one-sided manner, is designed to have the very effect it is having on you. Again, do you watch professional wrestling and say to yourself "Why is the referee allowing that?" The fix is in, bro. They make their money by playing one side against the other. |
Fox makes me hate both parties?
So who bothers you so much, "Fox" is broad. And why do you hold them to a standard and not the rest of the Bush is the devil Obama is our virginal beloved savior to none? |
Why did you assume I was referring solely to Fox? Reread what I wrote.
| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | Actually, I'm surprised you're still with us. I thought your head would have exploded when Obama was awarded the Nobel Prize. |
So Obama won the International Leftist Man of the Year award, aka the Nobel Appeasment Prize. How is that different then when Gore or Carter won it for hating America or they awarded it to a terrorist? Why now? |
Did I say somewhere that he deserved it? You don't read the words, you read what you think the writer is going to say. |
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