Next POTUS after NOV 2012 election?

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Who will be Next POTUS come Nov.....

Barack Obama
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61%
Mitt Romney
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39%
 
Total votes : 28
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Postby crazyhorse1 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:52 am

tribeofjudah wrote:
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:I haven't voted Republican since 1988. I will pull the red lever this time without flinching because the Democrats have stopped toying with Marxism and are now the real thing.

You don't have to know you're a Marxist to be one. My standard would be the planks of the Manifesto, which is the planks of the Democratic party platform.

Winston Churchill: The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Obama's certainly shown the equal sharing of miseries. That would be except of course the political elites. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, they aren't suffering at all.


Romney is a plutocrat, pure and simple. He believes in government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. A vote for the Republican party is a vote against equality and democracy, for reasons I'm sure are clear and numerous. I have no choice but to vote for Obama, like him or not. However, your idea that he is a communist or socialist is semi-insane. He's slightly right of center and has far too many Wall Street contacts, as well as a willingness to compromise with tickle-down criminals and nut cases (Tea Party) who advocate austerity nonsense in spite of all evidence that "austerity" creates depressed markets and, consequently, unemployment and recession. Try reading Keynes.


Obama is a Muslim masquerading to be a Christian....imo

Nothing wrong with Muslims or whatever religion or faith. JUST be real and don't front, don't pretend to be something/someone you are not.

We're on to this guy........Barry Soetoro aka Obama. I cannot trust a PHONEY in the white house.


You have no proof whatsoever that Obama is a Muslim or that he is only pretending to be a Christian. You're not "on to" anything and wouldn't know a "phony" if it were named Mitt Romney. To make an assertion that Obama is a Muslim without knowing it is true is not just an assertion, it is a lie. Good Christians and Jews don't lie or bear false witness. You do.

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Postby tribeofjudah » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:22 am

All his platforms and policies are phoney. He is a phoney, socially engineered by the Illuminati to sit on the THRONE of the USA and to bring to fruition the work of the Dragon, the Beast, and the False Prophet.

This country has become the lamb that speaks as a dragon.

Revelation 13:11
Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

Truth is truth.....and it cuts to the bone and the marrow.
Satan the adversary is the father of lies. The Adversary prefers that people don't believe he exists and that "sin" does not exist....it's fine by him.
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:30 am

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Deadskins wrote:He says unpatriotic and irresponsible, not unpatriotic and unAmerican. :P
Really, it's totally American. :twisted:


Crazyhorse used "or" dude

CounterTrey used "and" dude


And you posted this ... after ... I'd backed that one up too even though it apparently wasn't mine. You're getting so badly skunked I'm thinking they should start considering ending the game on the mercy rule.

I like how you always say you're a free agent, you swing both ways, but you always in this particular case take the left side. Then you say you're voting for Ron Paul, who I've never seen you agree with on anything.
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:35 am

crazyhorse1 wrote:You have no proof whatsoever that Obama is a Muslim or that he is only pretending to be a Christian. You're not "on to" anything and wouldn't know a "phony" if it were named Mitt Romney. To make an assertion that Obama is a Muslim without knowing it is true is not just an assertion, it is a lie. Good Christians and Jews don't lie or bear false witness. You do.


He grew up in a household with a Marxist father and a Marxist sympathizer mother, had Marxist friends, a Marxist mentor and he supports the planks of the communist manifesto, but he isn't a communist, that's silly, he's "right" of center. His father was a Muslim, he was raised to hate America by both parents, but he's not one and he loves America. Your claims are baseless, then you challenge someone else?

I don't think personally he's Christian or Muslim though. I think he's too narcissist to believe any God is above him.

So crazyhorse, Obama says it's unpatriotic and unamerican to run 4 trillion debt in 7 1/2 years, and Obama's over that in 3 1/2. Was Obama right? Is Obama unpatriotic? Or was obama full of it when he said that about Bush?
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Postby Deadskins » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:52 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:He says unpatriotic and irresponsible, not unpatriotic and unAmerican. :P
Really, it's totally American. :twisted:


Crazyhorse used "or" dude

CounterTrey used "and" dude


And you posted this ... after ... I'd backed that one up too even though it apparently wasn't mine. You're getting so badly skunked I'm thinking they should start considering ending the game on the mercy rule.

I like how you always say you're a free agent, you swing both ways, but you always in this particular case take the left side. Then you say you're voting for Ron Paul, who I've never seen you agree with on anything.

First of all, my comments above were totally in jest, hence the emoticons. I was commenting on the back and forth, not on Obama's words.
Second, you have no idea what I agree with, because you have your own preconceived notions of what I believe. I like to call you on your BS at times, but that doesn't mean I necessarily take the opposing view. :idea: I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, why wouldn't I vote for him in the general?
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:56 am

Deadskins wrote:Second, you have no idea what I agree with, because you have your own preconceived notions of what I believe. I like to call you on your BS at times, but that doesn't mean I necessarily take the opposing view. :idea:


I pointed out you always take the left side. Whether you're joking, whether you're not joking, whether you're talking with me, whether you're talking to the plethora of liberals on the site. If you only discussed with me, you could argue this. It would be a stretch, but you could try. But unlike your implication here, I'm not the only one you discuss politics with and still every argument and every joke is left. Just the facts.
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Postby Deadskins » Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:02 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:Second, you have no idea what I agree with, because you have your own preconceived notions of what I believe. I like to call you on your BS at times, but that doesn't mean I necessarily take the opposing view. :idea:


I pointed out you always take the left side. Whether you're joking, whether you're not joking, whether you're talking with me, whether you're talking to the plethora of liberals on the site. If you only discussed with me, you could argue this. It would be a stretch, but you could try. But unlike your implication here, I'm not the only one you discuss politics with and still every argument and every joke is left. Just the facts.

If you say so. I've never made any bones that I consider myself a liberal, in the truest sense of the word. That doesn't mean I'm a Democrat, or a communist, or even a socialist. I believe in fiscal responsibility, so in that area you might consider me a conservative. You live in a fantasy world where if you you just leave the moneyed powers alone they will just magically stop trying to subjugate the other 99% of the world. You're fooling yourself if you can't see that Democrats and Republicans are different sides of the same coin. Both are beholden to the the same moneyed interests that put them in power. Democrats do what they can to advance government power, and Republicans do the same in their own way. As long as you believe that I'm your enemy, you're part of the problem, not the solution.
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Postby crazyhorse1 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:31 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
crazyhorse1 wrote:You have no proof whatsoever that Obama is a Muslim or that he is only pretending to be a Christian. You're not "on to" anything and wouldn't know a "phony" if it were named Mitt Romney. To make an assertion that Obama is a Muslim without knowing it is true is not just an assertion, it is a lie. Good Christians and Jews don't lie or bear false witness. You do.


He grew up in a household with a Marxist father and a Marxist sympathizer mother, had Marxist friends, a Marxist mentor and he supports the planks of the communist manifesto, but he isn't a communist, that's silly, he's "right" of center. His father was a Muslim, he was raised to hate America by both parents, but he's not one and he loves America. Your claims are baseless, then you challenge someone else?

I don't think personally he's Christian or Muslim though. I think he's too narcissist to believe any God is above him.

So crazyhorse, Obama says it's unpatriotic and unamerican to run 4 trillion debt in 7 1/2 years, and Obama's over that in 3 1/2. Was Obama right? Is Obama unpatriotic? Or was obama full of it when he said that about Bush?


Omaha's initiatives cost a little over one and one/half trillion and created over four million jobs. The rest of the monies you blame Obama for are carryover costs from the past administration-- the Bush tax cuts being an example.

By the way, Bush ran the country into over 10 trillion in debt, not four trillion.

You apparently don't know what a socialist is. If you did, you would know that we've been a socialist country since the great depression. The only question about Obamacare is: does it work? Here's other socialist programs you should think about: special tax cuts to the rich, subsidies for oil companies, government bailouts of banks, special treatment for corporations, including "Get Out of Jail Free" cards.

Obama's flaws: domestic spying on an epic scale, abuse of drones, indefinite detention, war- like behavior and overt civil rights violations. If you want to find flaws, look for things that are real.

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Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:40 pm

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Postby crazyhorse1 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:14 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
crazyhorse1 wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:I haven't voted Republican since 1988. I will pull the red lever this time without flinching because the Democrats have stopped toying with Marxism and are now the real thing.

You don't have to know you're a Marxist to be one. My standard would be the planks of the Manifesto, which is the planks of the Democratic party platform.

Winston Churchill: The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Obama's certainly shown the equal sharing of miseries. That would be except of course the political elites. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, they aren't suffering at all.


Romney is a plutocrat, pure and simple. He believes in government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. A vote for the Republican party is a vote against equality and democracy, for reasons I'm sure are clear and numerous. I have no choice but to vote for Obama, like him or not. However, your idea that he is a communist or socialist is semi-insane. He's slightly right of center and has far too many Wall Street contacts, as well as a willingness to compromise with tickle-down criminals and nut cases (Tea Party) who advocate austerity nonsense in spite of all evidence that "austerity" creates depressed markets and, consequently, unemployment and recession. Try reading Keynes.


When Obama hunts he only kills mother deer so the fawns will starve to death. When he sees a Salvation Army Santa, he takes out a $100 bill to see them all excited, then sets it on fire and drops it in their can so that and the money they collected burn. Obama slits the throats of homeless, but not too deep so they bleed out and die slowly. And he's trying to tip the balance of power by arranging the murder of Republican school children. He spreads them out so no one connects them.

Romney's so nice to his wife, she wishes he would get made at her once just so she knows he's a real person. He goes through the phonebook and sends everyone in poor zip codes $100 bills. He also tracks the firemen's scanner and runs into burning buildings to save people when he gets there before the firemen. He can just whisper to angry dogs and they not only stop growling but they never bite again. Mother Theresa once told him that he is her idol, even if she knows she can never be him.

Seriously, you want a deranged murder to be President over a living saint?


Is this a joke. I hope, for your sake, it is.

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Postby tribeofjudah » Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:35 pm

What the HECK are carryover costs???

Is that like saying my dad is responsible for me if I'm broke, and jobless, and homeless??? That is laughable.

you really are a CRAZY-HORSE...!!!

LOL....carry over cost. That Should be Obama's new PLATFORM.
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Postby DarthMonk » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:08 am

Countertrey wrote:When GWB added 4 trillion to the Deficit, Obama declared that he was unpatriotic, unAmerican as a result... Obama is currently reigning over a 16 Trillion deficit. Can he explain why he is not unpatriotic and unAmerican?


You'd have to ask Obama but here is what I'd tell him to point out.

First of all your claim above is flat out wrong. You've confused DEFICIT with DEBT.

Deficit: The amount by which the government's total budget outlays exceeds its total receipts for a fiscal year.

Debt: Pretty much the sum of all surpluses and deficits.

Bush inherited a DEFICIT that did not exist. He inherited a budget operating at a SURPLUS.

Bush DID inherit a DEBT that had reached about 5.7 trillion. What Bush did was start adding to the DEBT by taking the BUDGET SURPLUS Clinton gave him and immediately turning it into a BUDGET DEFICIT. He did this in several ways but primarily by cutting taxes, giving a tax rebate (I got a $600 check), expanding Medicare (or was it Medicaid?), and starting two wars - all of which he failed to pay for. Over 8 years Bush took the BUDGET from SURPLUS to DEFICIT thereby adding the overall DEBT.

Bush took the debt from about 5.7 trillion to about 11 trillion. He did this by taking Clinton's BUDGET SURPLUS of about $200 billion and turning it into ANNUAL DEFICITS (in billions) of $157, $357, $413, $318, $248, $161, $459, and $1,413. The wars were "off budget" and there was a little interest too. Note the first trillion dollar deficit (handed off to Obama).

Bush governed from the left more than people realize in that he wielded government power quite liberally (and radically). He bought Fannie and Freddie, not Obama.

Anyway, Obama has run DEFICITS (in billions) of $1,294, $1,299, and $1,100. The current deficit will come in at around $900. This is a reversal in the direction of Bushes deficit explosion.

So actually, Obama could "explain why he is not unpatriotic and unAmerican" pretty easily but I'd say he probably wouldn't use the "unpatriotic" language if he had to do it all over again.

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Postby DarthMonk » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:14 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I haven't voted Republican since 1988. I will pull the red lever this time without flinching because the Democrats have stopped toying with Marxism and are now the real thing.

You don't have to know you're a Marxist to be one. My standard would be the planks of the Manifesto, which is the planks of the Democratic party platform.

Winston Churchill: The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Obama's certainly shown the equal sharing of miseries. That would be except of course the political elites. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, they aren't suffering at all.


More Marxist crap.
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Postby crazyhorse1 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:46 pm

tribeofjudah wrote:What the HECK are carryover costs???

Is that like saying my dad is responsible for me if I'm broke, and jobless, and homeless??? That is laughable.

you really are a CRAZY-HORSE...!!!

LOL....carry over cost. That Should be Obama's new PLATFORM.


Bush didn't pay for his wars (Obama had to), nor did Bush pay for the tax cuts for the rich that he passed on to Obama, nor did Bush pay for increased costs in Medicare that he caused by protecting drug companies and passed on to Obama, nor did Obama cause the bailout of the Banks caused by Bush's failure to enforce regulation. When determining how much a President has spent, one must count only those costs he initiated. In short, those who accuse Obama of spending too much money, should not blame Obama for paying Bush's bills, which he had to, by law.

Your analogy makes no sense, unless you consider that your father has run up bills that you have to pay, by law . In that case. yes, it would be true that you are homeless because of your father.

Back to Obama. It is totally true that of the five to six trillion he is usually accused of having spent, only a trillion and a half has been on his own projects. The rest has been spent on "carry over" costs from Bush's administration. This is one of the big reasons that Obama's supporters don't blame him for running up debt. Another big reason is that he tried to get Republicans in congress to make four trillion in cuts, but they refused. The reason for their refusal was that they didn't want Obama to look good. Instead of helping the country, they chose to create a phony campaign issue and constantly hammered away at Obama for spending too much and not caring about the deficit, which was a cheap lie that has not worked.

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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:42 pm

crazyhorse1 wrote:Omaha's initiatives cost a little over one and one/half trillion and created over four million jobs. The rest of the monies you blame Obama for are carryover costs from the past administration-- the Bush tax cuts being an example.

By the way, Bush ran the country into over 10 trillion in debt, not four trillion.


Wow, liberal math. That's some funky stuff. So basically, you take the deficit. If the person you're analyzing has an R after their name, you multiply it by 4 and if there's a D you divide it by 10.

Here's another bit of liberal math. Clinton ran surpluses. And the National debt went up every year he was President...

I'm good with your Bush calculation. There is no way he should be not held accountable for his predecessors spending plan, it's his watch, cut it. And unfunded liabilities are of course fair to count. But if you calculated Obama the same way instead of holding him accountable for nothing, his number would be like 30 trillion when you add ObamaCare Socialized Medicine on top. And that would be if you're only counting the next decade.
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