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What is the most important cause for the DEFENSE collapse?
Lack of Draft and Free Agency effort by the FO
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Injuries and suspensions
22%
 22%  [ 10 ]
Poor 3-4 implementation & game planning by J. Hasleet
40%
 40%  [ 18 ]
Poor execution by an inept and incompetent bunch
20%
 20%  [ 9 ]
Cap penalty imposed by Mara & his puppet goddahell
15%
 15%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 45

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Red_One43
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Darrell Green's and Charles Mann's opinions on what the problem is with the defense:

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/11/05/darrell-green-charles-mann-poor-technique-to-blame-for-redskins-defensive-struggles/


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Both former players see plenty of talent in the Redskins’ defensive ranks. And neither questions the schemes that Haslett has dialed up. But they question whether the players are being taught how to capitalize on their natural ability and elevate their games.


I have been arguing all along that this isn't mainly a talent issue. Both Mann and Green see enough talent. I have added, from John Keim's reports, that while the 3-4 is not the problem, the way Haz is running it is a major part of the problem.
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Darrell Green's and Charles Mann's opinions on what the problem is with the defense:

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/11/05/darrell-green-charles-mann-poor-technique-to-blame-for-redskins-defensive-struggles/


I feel like this is deserving of it's own thread. I'd hate to see it get lost in the mix. It's a fresh take on the situation and I'm inclined to believe it because it makes total sense.

The coaches we have are fine from a schematic POV. But we need people to teach technique... When you have an OL Coach switch over to DB's coach, how would he know their technique? I doubt he could. So he's teaching it? Or do they assume that the guys already know...? Sounds a lot like the regular "work force" to me. I deal with this everyday.


Good point. I'll start a new thread.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Its all of the above except injuries and suspensions. However I do think if Merriwether can get his act together he could help a bit.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
HEROHAMO wrote:
Its all of the above except injuries and suspensions.

Hmm
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SkinsJock
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
HEROHAMO wrote:
Its all of the above except injuries and suspensions. However I do think if Merriwether can get his act together he could help a bit.


actually ..... if the players and coaches get their acts together it would really help a lot Laughing
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm sticking by my guns. Injuries and suspensions have most do do with it. It all comes into play. If key member aren't injured then things are much better. I agree coaching, Mara cap hit and all have a part. If you can only pick one I have to go with that.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Deadskins wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
Its all of the above except injuries and suspensions.

Hmm


Lack of Draft and Free Agency effort by the FO, Poor 3-4 implementation & game planning by J. Haslett, Poor execution by an inept and incompetent bunch, and Cap penalty imposed by Mara & his puppet Goddahell

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
1niksder wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
Its all of the above except injuries and suspensions.

Hmm


Lack of Draft and Free Agency effort by the FO, Poor 3-4 implementation & game planning by J. Haslett, Poor execution by an inept and incompetent bunch, and Cap penalty imposed by Mara & his puppet Goddahell

Shocked

Yeah, I got what he meant. I was scratching my head over how he thinks injuries and suspensions don't figure into it.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Deadskins wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
Its all of the above except injuries and suspensions.

Hmm


You got head lice or something? Why you scratching your head? Laughing

Actually I take that back it is all of the above. Orakpo got hurt I forgot about that. So basically the reason the Defense has performed poorly is basically all the answers above.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't think you can discount Carriker's and Merriwether's injuries, or Jackson's suspension either.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Deadskins wrote:
I don't think you can discount Carriker's and Merriwether's injuries, or Jackson's suspension either.


+1 - ALSO that Jenkins has not shown the form he had before his injury

I think he's going to be a better player next year
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Red_One43
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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“I come to work, I work hard, I do the best I can with what we got and try to put these guys in position to win games and be successful on defense,” Haslett said Wednesday. “That’s all really I can do.”


Clearly Haz thinks that the talent is the reason why things are the way they are. When you read Shanny's comments in the article, it also appears that there will be no changes . Fit the players to the scheme! How many teams stick to that as religiously as Shanny?

Read more: Redskins have some pieces that fit, some that don’t - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/7/redskins-have-some-pieces-that-fit-some-that-dont/?page=2#ixzz2BghgY3co
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StorminMormon86
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I voted for one Jim Haslett.
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