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emoses14
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I did not see slinging sammy and sonny play, Jay schroeder has no place on any list other than at the bottom below shane mathews, and how anyone has the sex cannon ranked over jason campbell, even taking into account the unreal amount of hatred for him, is crazy.
Eventually I'm going to get around to ranking these QBs based on some semi-logical basis, however, on the strength of just one night, one game etched into my childhood memory, I guarantee you that Douglass Lee Williams will be far higher than anyone else has got him and, probably, than he has a right to be (maybe).
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21624622/after-25-years-doug-williams-finally-soaks-in-super-bowl-win
I still remember this as if it happened yesterday.
Also,  Jay Schroeder. |
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welch
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Joined: 10 Jan 2004
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| emoses14 wrote: | I did not see slinging sammy and sonny play, Jay schroeder has no place on any list other than at the bottom below shane mathews, and how anyone has the sex cannon ranked over jason campbell, even taking into account the unreal amount of hatred for him, is crazy.
Eventually I'm going to get around to ranking these QBs based on some semi-logical basis, however, on the strength of just one night, one game etched into my childhood memory, I guarantee you that Douglass Lee Williams will be far higher than anyone else has got him and, probably, than he has a right to be (maybe).
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21624622/after-25-years-doug-williams-finally-soaks-in-super-bowl-win
I still remember this as if it happened yesterday.
Also, Jay Schroeder. |
I'd rate Doug Williams pretty high, as well. So did Joe Gibbs...as best I remember, Williams was making $450K, and "people" (mean Jack Kent Cooke) thought that was too high for a backup QB, especially since Schroeder was the rising star of the '85 and '86 seasons. Considered right up with Marino and Elway and the other young QB's. (Jim Kelley?).
Ah, Jay...what happened? |
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Deadskins
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I rate Jay very highly. He brought us Jim Lachey.  |
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Countertrey
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| welch wrote: |
I'd rate Doug Williams pretty high, as well. So did Joe Gibbs...as best I remember, Williams was making $450K, and "people" (mean Jack Kent Cooke) thought that was too high for a backup QB, especially since Schroeder was the rising star of the '85 and '86 seasons. Considered right up with Marino and Elway and the other young QB's. (Jim Kelley?).
Ah, Jay...what happened? |
Sometimes, the arrogant actually get what they deserve... |
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welch
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Countertrey wrote: | | welch wrote: |
I'd rate Doug Williams pretty high, as well. So did Joe Gibbs...as best I remember, Williams was making $450K, and "people" (mean Jack Kent Cooke) thought that was too high for a backup QB, especially since Schroeder was the rising star of the '85 and '86 seasons. Considered right up with Marino and Elway and the other young QB's. (Jim Kelley?).
Ah, Jay...what happened? |
Sometimes, the arrogant actually get what they deserve... |
I remember Jay's comment before the Wind Bowl NFC Championship at Giants Stadium: the wind is no problem...just keep the nose of the ball down... |
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DarthMonk
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| welch wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | welch wrote: |
I'd rate Doug Williams pretty high, as well. So did Joe Gibbs...as best I remember, Williams was making $450K, and "people" (mean Jack Kent Cooke) thought that was too high for a backup QB, especially since Schroeder was the rising star of the '85 and '86 seasons. Considered right up with Marino and Elway and the other young QB's. (Jim Kelley?).
Ah, Jay...what happened? |
Sometimes, the arrogant actually get what they deserve... |
I remember Jay's comment before the Wind Bowl NFC Championship at Giants Stadium: the wind is no problem...just keep the nose of the ball down... |
I don't think we should bash him too much. He got us to the game. Does he still hold the team record for most passing yards in a season? The Giants were pretty good. We ran for 40 yards that day. We never kicked off.
I remember Gary Clark dropping a nice deep ball - a great throw into the wind - probably a TD. I also remember getting an early stop on 3rd and long. The Giants committed holding and rather than let them kick a FG on 4th down Gibbs took the penalty and gave them another chance on 3rd down hoping to force a punt. They converted (Simms to McConkey) and then scored a TD. 7-0 Giants.
If Willams had not come back into the next Super Bowl after getting hurt Jay may have ended up as MVP. He made one very important play when he was in. He got blindsided and could easily have fumbled but did not (Williams actually did fumble when he got injured - the refs were kind).
Jay was nice enough to autograph a football for me. Nice ball. Got 4 qbs on it - Jay, Doug, Mark, and Babe - during the strike.
Jays' career took a nose dive when he went to the Raiders. It was a good move for us - Beathard knew what he was doing. |
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yupchagee
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| Countertrey wrote: | You have to have a defense in order to get to the playoffs.
Sam
Sonny.
Done.
Labaron get honorable mention.
Theisman is NOT in the conversation. He and Ryp, were the product of the mind of Gibbs. |
& incredible O-lines. |
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Deadskins
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| DarthMonk wrote: | | welch wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | welch wrote: |
I'd rate Doug Williams pretty high, as well. So did Joe Gibbs...as best I remember, Williams was making $450K, and "people" (mean Jack Kent Cooke) thought that was too high for a backup QB, especially since Schroeder was the rising star of the '85 and '86 seasons. Considered right up with Marino and Elway and the other young QB's. (Jim Kelley?).
Ah, Jay...what happened? |
Sometimes, the arrogant actually get what they deserve... |
I remember Jay's comment before the Wind Bowl NFC Championship at Giants Stadium: the wind is no problem...just keep the nose of the ball down... |
I don't think we should bash him too much. He got us to the game. Does he still hold the team record for most passing yards in a season? The Giants were pretty good. We ran for 40 yards that day. We never kicked off.
I remember Gary Clark dropping a nice deep ball - a great throw into the wind - probably a TD. I also remember getting an early stop on 3rd and long. The Giants committed holding and rather than let them kick a FG on 4th down Gibbs took the penalty and gave them another chance on 3rd down hoping to force a punt. They converted (Simms to McConkey) and then scored a TD. 7-0 Giants.
If Willams had not come back into the next Super Bowl after getting hurt Jay may have ended up as MVP. He made one very important play when he was in. He got blindsided and could easily have fumbled but did not (Williams actually did fumble when he got injured - the refs were kind).
Jay was nice enough to autograph a football for me. Nice ball. Got 4 qbs on it - Jay, Doug, Mark, and Babe - during the strike.
Jays' career took a nose dive when he went to the Raiders. It was a good move for us - Beathard knew what he was doing. |
I was at that game and Clark's drop was a game changer. It was a certain TD that would have tied the game at that point. And we did kick off at least once.  |
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DarthMonk
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | DarthMonk wrote: | | welch wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | welch wrote: |
I'd rate Doug Williams pretty high, as well. So did Joe Gibbs...as best I remember, Williams was making $450K, and "people" (mean Jack Kent Cooke) thought that was too high for a backup QB, especially since Schroeder was the rising star of the '85 and '86 seasons. Considered right up with Marino and Elway and the other young QB's. (Jim Kelley?).
Ah, Jay...what happened? |
Sometimes, the arrogant actually get what they deserve... |
I remember Jay's comment before the Wind Bowl NFC Championship at Giants Stadium: the wind is no problem...just keep the nose of the ball down... |
I don't think we should bash him too much. He got us to the game. Does he still hold the team record for most passing yards in a season? The Giants were pretty good. We ran for 40 yards that day. We never kicked off.
I remember Gary Clark dropping a nice deep ball - a great throw into the wind - probably a TD. I also remember getting an early stop on 3rd and long. The Giants committed holding and rather than let them kick a FG on 4th down Gibbs took the penalty and gave them another chance on 3rd down hoping to force a punt. They converted (Simms to McConkey) and then scored a TD. 7-0 Giants.
If Willams had not come back into the next Super Bowl after getting hurt Jay may have ended up as MVP. He made one very important play when he was in. He got blindsided and could easily have fumbled but did not (Williams actually did fumble when he got injured - the refs were kind).
Jay was nice enough to autograph a football for me. Nice ball. Got 4 qbs on it - Jay, Doug, Mark, and Babe - during the strike.
Jays' career took a nose dive when he went to the Raiders. It was a good move for us - Beathard knew what he was doing. |
I was at that game and Clark's drop was a game changer. It was a certain TD that would have tied the game at that point. And we did kick off at least once. |
Actually, the Giants won the toss and did not (could not) defer. They chose a direction whence we elected to receive. We then chose to receive in the 2nd half. In an odd twist, we never kicked off. It's true.
I did make a mistake, though. The Giants already led 3-0 before the penalty I referenced. The ensuing TD made it 10-0. Clark's drop either would have given us a 7-0 lead, a 7-3 lead or made it 7-10 ... I can't remember. |
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