Is Carriker a BUST....???

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Is Carriker a BUST....???

Postby tribeofjudah » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:51 pm

I think so.......

Redskins DE Carriker having another surgery

Redskins DE Adam Carriker will undergo another surgery on his torn quadriceps on Thursday.
He's out indefinitely. Carriker has experienced numerous setbacks as he recovers from last year's injury, and opened camp on the PUP list. He'll also likely now open the season on reserve/PUP, costing Carriker the first six games. Stephen Bowen and Jarvis Jenkins will be Washington's Week 1 starting ends.
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Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:22 am

Ryan leaf... Jamarcaus Russell... That's my definition of a bust. I'd call this more of a shame. Guess you could call Rak a bust by your terms then, right?
My point is Adam has heart, wants to play, and was playing very well for us before he got hurt. Fat Al chose to piss away his talent... Adam and Thiesman got hurt trying to display that talent.
Bust? No.
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Postby 1niksder » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:59 am

They swapped 5th round picks and gave up a 7th round pick to the Rams for Carriker.

Bust? No.
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Postby Countertrey » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:56 am

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Postby Chris Luva Luva » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:26 am

This is terrible and improper usage of the word bust.
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Postby langleyparkjoe » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:27 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:This is terrible and improper usage of the word bust.


Maybe he meant "bus".. not "bust"
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Postby emoses14 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:29 am

No. Unlucky, slow to recover, sure, but bust?

And, I wouldn't even analogize Orakpo as a bust based on OP logic. Carriker has missed (almost all of) one year and is well on his way to missing another after not being fully health. Orakpo, on the other hand, has missed all but 2 games last year. Only.

Unrelated to the point, Orakpo is also our best defensive player (Coffield is a close second in my opinion). Carriker is important to us, but not nearly as much as Brian (to the extent that you can compartmentalize one player on the team from another).
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"

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Postby tribeofjudah » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:42 am

When you don't get your ROI........ it's a bust.
Sadly or Thankfully, he won't be here this year or next.
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Postby emoses14 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:53 am

tribeofjudah wrote:When you don't get your ROI........ it's a bust.
Sadly, he won't be here this year or next.


What metric are you using to determine at what point a ROI has been achieved?

We moved back 12 (?) spots in the 5th round of the 2010 draft and lost a 7th round pick for a guy who then played 2 complete, full seasons at no less than a competent level. Got hurt in game 2 of season 3 and won't be back before game 6 this year. I'm not sure how much expectation you have when you pick up a guy for a seventh round pick, but I know it can't possibly be high enough to consider even a total failure of realization to equal a bust. In fact, you could more credibly argue that the Redskins got a steal and have out gained any reasonable ROI projection.

Wait, did Mike share his Carriker profit multiple with you?
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Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:39 am

emoses14 wrote:No. Unlucky, slow to recover, sure, but bust?

And, I wouldn't even analogize Orakpo as a bust based on OP logic. Carriker has missed (almost all of) one year and is well on his way to missing another after not being fully health. Orakpo, on the other hand, has missed all but 2 games last year. Only.

Unrelated to the point, Orakpo is also our best defensive player (Coffield is a close second in my opinion). Carriker is important to us, but not nearly as much as Brian (to the extent that you can compartmentalize one player on the team from another).


Rak is relevant.. he tore a pec muscle the year before.. it was more of a get real, type of analogy
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Postby riggofan » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:49 am

emoses14 wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:When you don't get your ROI........ it's a bust.
Sadly, he won't be here this year or next.


What metric are you using to determine at what point a ROI has been achieved?

We moved back 12 (?) spots in the 5th round of the 2010 draft and lost a 7th round pick for a guy who then played 2 complete, full seasons at no less than a competent level. Got hurt in game 2 of season 3 and won't be back before game 6 this year. I'm not sure how much expectation you have when you pick up a guy for a seventh round pick, but I know it can't possibly be high enough to consider even a total failure of realization to equal a bust. In fact, you could more credibly argue that the Redskins got a steal and have out gained any reasonable ROI projection.

Wait, did Mike share his Carriker profit multiple with you?


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Postby skinsfan#33 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:40 am

tribeofjudah wrote:When you don't get your ROI........ it's a bust.
Sadly or Thankfully, he won't be here this year or next.


I think he has been a bargain and has far exceeded his ROI!!!

A talk of him being a bust is ludicrous!
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Postby Deadskins » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:36 pm

He's been in the league six years. I'd hardly call him a bust because he got injured for one season.
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Postby emoses14 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:59 pm

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:
emoses14 wrote:No. Unlucky, slow to recover, sure, but bust?

And, I wouldn't even analogize Orakpo as a bust based on OP logic. Carriker has missed (almost all of) one year and is well on his way to missing another after not being fully health. Orakpo, on the other hand, has missed all but 2 games last year. Only.

Unrelated to the point, Orakpo is also our best defensive player (Coffield is a close second in my opinion). Carriker is important to us, but not nearly as much as Brian (to the extent that you can compartmentalize one player on the team from another).


Rak is relevant.. he tore a pec muscle the year before.. it was more of a get real, type of analogy


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Postby fredp45 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:24 pm

anyone know what we'd save in cap space, if we cut Adam C?

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