RG3 can't be the same player with a knee brace

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RG3 can't be the same player with a knee brace

Postby SKINS#1 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:25 pm

Garcon says RG3 can’t be the same player with a knee brace. Carcon also talks about the offense being the same.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... nee-brace/

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Re: RG3 can't be the same player with a knee brace

Postby HTTRRG3ALMO » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:17 pm

SKINS#1 wrote:Garcon says RG3 can’t be the same player with a knee brace. Carcon also talks about the offense being the same.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... nee-brace/


Its relieving to hear someone acknowledging the pink elephant. He'll either get used to it and come through, or stop wearing it after a few weeks or months.

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Postby DaveD1420 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:21 pm

He said the same exact thing I said on here a few days ago.

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Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:23 pm

Is the brace really what has him doing ZERO designed runs?
I like the new rgiii.. while he isn't dazzling w his legs he's learning how to be a pocket passer and how to play safer.

When all systems are a go.. I think he will he better for it. It's very nice not to see rgiii looking like Vick did in the fourth quarter! Vick doesn't stay on the field all 16 games, and I'm hoping we are gonna see a more accurate version who does enough to extend plays, but stays in the game. Illusive passer > running qb
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Postby HTTRRG3ALMO » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:51 pm

Take this for a grain of salt, but I actually wore that same style knee brace for a month. You can run in it still. Its usually ordered for people with arthritis, but obviously it helps with other conditions.

Its hard to describe how it feels to wear it, but here's my best attempt:

1. Feels like it kind of "kicks forward" your leg when you walk (not as bad when jogging)

2. Gives you this weird feeling that the leg you're wearing it on is 1-2 inches shorter than the non-injured leg (not being literal, just describing the feel of it). You feel like you're swinging side to side when you walk. Looks like a "limp" but its just an awkward feeling. Again, not an issue when jogging.

3. IT SLIDES DOWN ALL THE TIME! You have to yank at it to slide it back up which plucks your leg hairs out LOL. If you stop being cheap and buy the sleeve (like RG3 has), I suppose it won't be as bad.

I'm sure there's others on here who have wore a brace like that who could probably describe it a little better.

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Re: RG3 can't be the same player with a knee brace

Postby SkinsJock » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:00 am

SKINS#1 wrote:Garcon says RG3 can’t be the same player with a knee brace. Carcon also talks about the offense being the same.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... nee-brace/


I do not agree - all of this BS speculation will go away soon ... :lol:
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Re: RG3 can't be the same player with a knee brace

Postby riggofan » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:58 am

SKINS#1 wrote:Garcon says RG3 can’t be the same player with a knee brace. Carcon also talks about the offense being the same.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... nee-brace/


Funny. I remember somebody on here bringing this up three weeks ago.

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Postby Irn-Bru » Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:52 pm

This makes sense to me. RGIII won't admit it, but he is not planting and throwing or running like he did before. I'd guess that physically everything is 100% or very close to it, but it's just a matter of building back the muscle memory and confidence that he lost in it over the past year — and he won't make much progress in that area until the brace is gone.
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Postby grampi » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:01 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:This makes sense to me. RGIII won't admit it, but he is not planting and throwing or running like he did before. I'd guess that physically everything is 100% or very close to it, but it's just a matter of building back the muscle memory and confidence that he lost in it over the past year — and he won't make much progress in that area until the brace is gone.


I just wonder how much of it is physical, and how much is mental...he may be physically 100%, but still afraid to go full bore in fear of reinjury...

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Postby SkinsJock » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:24 pm

I do not agree that the brace is causing all these problems - in looking at the plays in slow motion - you can see that his mechanics are not good - this would STILL be a problem without the brace

I think RG3 is 'off' mentally and is also 'rusty' - if he or the coaches felt that the brace was an issue, it would be gone ...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... ace-garcon

I'd be surprised if he took off the brace as he has worn one before ... all that matters is that he thinks it's a good idea and does NOT affect his running ...

the offensive game plan seems to involve restricting his running plays - he's still getting used to that - let's let these guys get things worked out

these coaches and players will make us proud - let's give them time to get things together here
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Your thoughts on who is really to blame regarding the knee?

Postby DaSkinz Baby » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:54 am

As much as it pains me to say this, I don't think Shanahan and company did anything to cause RGIII's knee injury, I think this was more about RGIII's arrogance to prove to himself that he could run with the big dogs in the NFL and take a hit last year. I think all this knee injury conversation would be a moot point had RGIII ran out of bounds on the play where he got hurt, Ngata should have never been able to hit him had he ran out of bounds. When that Atlanta player rung RGIII's bell that should have been the hit that smartened up RGIII and that light switch should have been turned on. I love the passion in which RGIII plays with but I also think it was and is his immaturity and arrogance that has totally changed RGIII's ability to be a two way threat. Honestly I don't think he is good enough to go from a scrambling QB to a pocket Andrew Luck read the defense type of QB. At this point if we can't use RGIII to do what we drafted him for, to be a two way threat, then it's time to cut bait so to speak and go with Cousins, cause at this point, I think even Cousins is more mobile than RGIII with his gimp knee. And all that crap about racing Pierre Garcon to prove he is still fast is crap, I could probably beat him in a race!!

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Re: Your thoughts on who is really to blame regarding the kn

Postby StorminMormon86 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:19 am

DaSkinz Baby wrote:As much as it pains me to say this, I don't think Shanahan and company did anything to cause RGIII's knee injury, I think this was more about RGIII's arrogance to prove to himself that he could run with the big dogs in the NFL and take a hit last year. I think all this knee injury conversation would be a moot point had RGIII ran out of bounds on the play where he got hurt, Ngata should have never been able to hit him had he ran out of bounds. When that Atlanta player rung RGIII's bell that should have been the hit that smartened up RGIII and that light switch should have been turned on. I love the passion in which RGIII plays with but I also think it was and is his immaturity and arrogance that has totally changed RGIII's ability to be a two way threat. Honestly I don't think he is good enough to go from a scrambling QB to a pocket Andrew Luck read the defense type of QB. At this point if we can't use RGIII to do what we drafted him for, to be a two way threat, then it's time to cut bait so to speak and go with Cousins, cause at this point, I think even Cousins is more mobile than RGIII with his gimp knee. And all that crap about racing Pierre Garcon to prove he is still fast is crap, I could probably beat him in a race!!

This is only his 2nd year. Yes he does need to mature. Yes he does come off as a little arrogant (at least to me anyway, others are ready to hang you if you use the "a" word and Griffin in the same sentence). Yes I think he felt somewhat intimidated after Cousins played well in the Cleveland game. But as I said, it's only week 3 of year 2. He still has PLENTY of time to grow and mature, and I'm sure he will. And he definitely can (and probably will) grow into a "pure pocket passer". He just needs the time to do so.

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Re: Your thoughts on who is really to blame regarding the kn

Postby DarthMonk » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:29 am

DaSkinz Baby wrote:As much as it pains me to say this, I don't think Shanahan and company did anything to cause RGIII's knee injury, I think this was more about RGIII's arrogance to prove to himself that he could run with the big dogs in the NFL and take a hit last year. I think all this knee injury conversation would be a moot point had RGIII ran out of bounds on the play where he got hurt, Ngata should have never been able to hit him had he ran out of bounds. When that Atlanta player rung RGIII's bell that should have been the hit that smartened up RGIII and that light switch should have been turned on. I love the passion in which RGIII plays with but I also think it was and is his immaturity and arrogance that has totally changed RGIII's ability to be a two way threat. Honestly I don't think he is good enough to go from a scrambling QB to a pocket Andrew Luck read the defense type of QB. At this point if we can't use RGIII to do what we drafted him for, to be a two way threat, then it's time to cut bait so to speak and go with Cousins, cause at this point, I think even Cousins is more mobile than RGIII with his gimp knee. And all that crap about racing Pierre Garcon to prove he is still fast is crap, I could probably beat him in a race!!


I mostly agree but add this. The Atlanta hit should have wisened him up and he took too many chances after that but ... the Raven play was one of the few times all year he needed to take a chance and be daring given the situation ... 2nd and 19 at our 27, 1:56 to go, down 8 points in a must win playoff push game in December.

The time to go with Cousins was opening night. The only decent argument I've seen against that is from the Deadman saying better to knock off rust now than later. That might be right but it might not.

I think we would have played with more urgency as a team with Cousins these first 4 games (pre-bye). We'd have had a hold-the-fort mentality as opposed to the sigh and relaxation/complacency that seemingly came with Griff's return.

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Re: Your thoughts on who is really to blame regarding the kn

Postby DaSkinz Baby » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:15 am

DarthMonk wrote:
DaSkinz Baby wrote:As much as it pains me to say this, I don't think Shanahan and company did anything to cause RGIII's knee injury, I think this was more about RGIII's arrogance to prove to himself that he could run with the big dogs in the NFL and take a hit last year. I think all this knee injury conversation would be a moot point had RGIII ran out of bounds on the play where he got hurt, Ngata should have never been able to hit him had he ran out of bounds. When that Atlanta player rung RGIII's bell that should have been the hit that smartened up RGIII and that light switch should have been turned on. I love the passion in which RGIII plays with but I also think it was and is his immaturity and arrogance that has totally changed RGIII's ability to be a two way threat. Honestly I don't think he is good enough to go from a scrambling QB to a pocket Andrew Luck read the defense type of QB. At this point if we can't use RGIII to do what we drafted him for, to be a two way threat, then it's time to cut bait so to speak and go with Cousins, cause at this point, I think even Cousins is more mobile than RGIII with his gimp knee. And all that crap about racing Pierre Garcon to prove he is still fast is crap, I could probably beat him in a race!!


I mostly agree but add this. The Atlanta hit should have wisened him up and he took too many chances after that but ... the Raven play was one of the few times all year he needed to take a chance and be daring given the situation ... 2nd and 19 at our 27, 1:56 to go, down 8 points in a must win playoff push game in December.

The time to go with Cousins was opening night. The only decent argument I've seen against that is from the Deadman saying better to knock off rust now than later. That might be right but it might not.

I think we would have played with more urgency as a team with Cousins these first 4 games (pre-bye). We'd have had a hold-the-fort mentality as opposed to the sigh and relaxation/complacency that seemingly came with Griff's return.

My 2 cents


Agreed however he could get snaps during games to knock off rust. Maybe people don't like that but to get the offense to continue to work as it's had been all preseason you keep Kirk in, then to knock off rust you allow RGIII a certain number of reps in a live game, increasing until he is full strength. Or that is what I would have done anyway.

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Postby DarthMonk » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:40 am

^^ I agree completely.

Could've treated the first four games much like a preseason.
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