» The 46 base defense does it have a secondary long pass flaw?

The Hogster · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:23 am Post subject:

In my opinion Smoot is not 20 million dollars' better than Harris and Wilds. The two of them combined will play for less than half of what Smoot wants, is he really worth it?

Texas Hog · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:15 am Post subject:

tcwest10 · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:24 am Post subject:

welch · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject:

I was just remembering a couple of great, great Redskins upsets in the playoffs. And smiling at the memory.

tcwest10 · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject:

The smiling part ? It's spreading like a contagion.

BATMAN · piglet Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 44 Location: Gotham City

Almost FOUR months between the last post and this one. I guess most people are not interested in discussing defense or either this board is a failing relic.

welch · Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:24 pm Post subject:

Interesting point.

A lot of us, like me, just know the game as fans. I noticed the Art Monk runs from watching that game on TV, and, of course, enjoying the sound of the all-knowing announcers as they swallowed their tongues.

"This can't be...can't believe it...the Buddy Ryan defense scares opponents off the field...the Gibbs offense is obsolete...everyone knows that Gibbs can't cope with the modern all-out attacking defense...why are the hopeless Redskins beating the snot out of the all-mighty Bears?"

[Happened two years in a row. In year two, the game when Darrell Green leaped over a tackler going for his waist, the Bears thought they were prepared, but the Redskins, meaning especially the Hogs, smashed the Bears into a TKO]

I just watched what the Skins were doing, and read the Post afterward.

However, we have on this list some people, like JansenFan, who really know what they are talking about. See his post explaining the Gibbs offense, from a coach who runs one.

Maybe too many of our members are afraid to admit they don't know something? That's a normal human thing. We're often taught -- in school, among friends, in our families -- not to ask questions for fear that something will think we're dumb.

I say, of course, that we only learn when we ask.

This is a good bunch of people. Ask away.

skinpride1 · Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject:

What do you think about the "secondary long pass flaw" after 36 points giving up bye our defense in two out of the last three games played?Maybe there is something to this when teams figure out your blitz schemes.

vicsportsaddict · newbie Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 5

Come to think of it, that's one more argument against Peter King and for Art Monk being in the HOF. Monk only the 4th most dangerous player on the Skins offense? Baloney, King.

HEROHAMO · ||| Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 4027 Location: SANTA ANA,CA

The 4-6 can only work if you have an outstanding D line and Linebacker as well as a solid secondary.

Dishgeek · Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject:

DEHog · Diesel Joined: 15 Dec 2003 Posts: 5809 Location: Dover DE

To say the 46 D is vulnerable to the pass is to say that all defenses are. What’s the best D against the pass? Prevent?? How many times have we seen team lose a game when they went to prevent? I heard a D1 defensive coordinator once say you need 17 player to cover the field on D…8 to cover the A,B,C, and D gaps and 9 to cover the intermediate, middle and long pass routes. Of course you can only use 11 players, so D coordinator have to adjust. They have to stop the run and cover to pass. The best way to do this is to disrupt the timing of the offense, that’s exactly what the 46 did. The 85 Bears defense was the best I ever saw. It was the best example of a coach using a scheme the fit the great players he had.

It was named for Doug Plank who was the eight man in the box, he wore the number “46”. What the Bears did was put eight men in the box, and dared you to pass. Eight men in the box meant you couldn’t run, on every play they would send at least 6 so they had a great pass rush, that left 5 to cover the offenses 5 man to man. If the TE stayed in to block that LB would come. The Skins had some success by having max protect and throwing is up for grabs, once they hit a few it took the eighth man out of the box, then they could run the ball.

I use a variation of this at the high school and Pop Warner level. For high school I call it “gap 8” I like it in the red zone to fill all eight gaps. At the pop warner lever, its call “gap on mirror” I cover all eight gaps first and go man to man with the rest. Hard to get young kids to play zone, plus I’m not to worry about the pass at that level. If they do pass I’m bringing at least 6 on every play and kids at that level have no clue who to block so in essence I’m blitzing every play.

So basically Buddy Ryan put eight in the box to stop the run, if you dared to pass he went man to man on the receivers and sent between 6 to 8 pass rushers. Who was coming was to hard part for o-line to figure out, either way Buddy was sure his 6-8 would beat whatever scheme you were in. The gaol was to sack the QB or at the least disrupt the timing of the play and nobody did it better than the 85 Bears.

Don’t forget they shellacked us 45-10 in 85. Dan Marino had a nice night against them with that quick release of his.

As for the Skins running it… I don’t think they have the personnel. Plus with the rules today, DB’s can’t breath on WR’s after 5 yards. Would be interesting to see if that D would be successful in today’s game.

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welch · Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject:

Note London Fletcher's explanation of he killer play in the Bills game. Fletcher said that the Bills had hit a seam in the defense.

Ouch.

Problem, maybe, was that the Redskins did not pressure the Bills QB on the play. Still, there was a lot of open space between the LOS and the receiver. It looked like all the DB's and LB's had been cleared out.