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yupchagee
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Joined: 19 Apr 2006
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Location: Louisville KY
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| PulpExposure wrote: | | yupchagee wrote: | | He recorded 6 sacks last yr. That led his team. That's very good for a DT. |
Of his 6 sacks, 4 came in 2 games. 2 against UVA (against a backup guard), and 2 came against Villanova.
Statistics can mislead you; he was a very inconsistent player at Maryland. Dominating Villanova and a young backup guard doesn't mean a whole lot to me.
NFL Draft Countdown gave him a mid-round rating (2 star):
| Quote: | Strengths:
Terrific size with a big frame...Excellent strength...Great speed and quickness with a burst to close...Plays with a nasty demeanor...Has good range and makes plays in pursuit...Can penetrate and wreak havoc in the backfield...Has the potential to be stout at the point of attack...Could play in multiple schemes...Has some upside.
Weaknesses:
Still pretty raw...Lackluster instincts and awareness...Inconsistent leverage...Does not use his hands well...Pass rush repertoire is limited...He doesn't play up to his weight room numbers..His work ethic and motor have been brought into question.
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First name is actually Marchondray...He played just one year of varsity football in high school..Could project to either a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme...Has everything you look for physically but just has not been able to put it all together yet, although he did have his best year as a senior...A "Workout Warrior" who will probably be chosen earlier than his film would otherwise indicate...Quite possibly a boom or bust type. |
ESPN ranked him a 69, which is about a 4th-5th round grade:
| Quote: | Strengths: Though needs to improve ability to shed blocks, plays with a bit of mean streak and has the upper body strength to improve in this area. Takes adequate angles to the ball, plays from snap until whistle and makes the occasional play in pursuit. Doesn't do a great job of anticipating the snap but is quick and can disrupt plays in the b backfield. Moves well laterally and could develop an effective arsenal of pass rush moves over time. Keeps head up and flashes the ability to sniff out screens. Played just one season of high school football and is still a little raw but has made strides and should only continue to get better with added experience.
Weaknesses: Plays too high, hasn't shown great lower body strength and can get driven back. Lacks elite size, plays with a narrow base and can't anchor against double teams. Takes too long to read keys when teams run at him and gets caught out of position at times. Doesn't use hands to protect legs, loses balance at times and struggles to fight off cut blocks. Frequently fails to get hands up when isn't going to the quarterback and doesn't always time jumps well.
Overall: Moore was redshirted in 2003. During his first three seasons (2004-'06) he appeared in 31 games (13 starts) and recorded 77 total tackles, nine tackles for loss, and 4.5 sacks. Moore's game isn't fundamentally sound and he has to work on anchoring against the run but there is a lot to like about his upside because he's got a great blend of quickness, athletic ability, range and size.
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No way you spend a 2nd rounder on a guy like him. If he was lazy in college (which is one long job audition), why the hell would he suddenly turn it on as a pro (when he's signed a contract for big money)?
He's got 2nd day draft pick written all over him. At the highest, I'd go late 3rd round with him, but I know some team will fall in love with his workout numbers and take him higher.
He's the classic trap d-lineman; got all the measureables, looks the part, but doesn't want to work hard or play hard all the time. That may get you through the ACC, but it's a different world in the NFL.
To me. he's Mario Monds from a bigger conference.
And remember, this is coming from a Maryland alum & fan. |
I said 3rd rnd, not 2nd. He is definitely a work in progress. I think he didn't start plating football till his jr yr of highschool. His sr yr numbers showed a huge improvement. All I have to go on is #'s as I haven't seen him play. I don't know how an analyst can say he lacks elite size. When I see that, I question the rest of the analysis. |
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PulpExposure
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| yupchagee wrote: | | I said 3rd rnd, not 2nd. He is definitely a work in progress. I think he didn't start plating football till his jr yr of highschool. His sr yr numbers showed a huge improvement. All I have to go on is #'s as I haven't seen him play. I don't know how an analyst can say he lacks elite size. When I see that, I question the rest of the analysis. |
I've seen his weight posted in various sizes, between 287-311. That's probably what they mean; even a 310 pound DT is not elite size by any stretch. I think when they talk "elite size" they talk about a John Henderson (6'7", 325) style monster. It doesn't mean he's not got very good size...just he's not as enormous as some others.
And he's not. But he's got good size. |
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GSPODS
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Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| PulpExposure wrote: | | yupchagee wrote: | | I said 3rd rnd, not 2nd. He is definitely a work in progress. I think he didn't start plating football till his jr yr of highschool. His sr yr numbers showed a huge improvement. All I have to go on is #'s as I haven't seen him play. I don't know how an analyst can say he lacks elite size. When I see that, I question the rest of the analysis. |
I've seen his weight posted in various sizes, between 287-311. That's probably what they mean; even a 310 pound DT is not elite size by any stretch. I think when they talk "elite size" they talk about a John Henderson (6'7", 325) style monster. It doesn't mean he's not got very good size...just he's not as enormous as some others.
And he's not. But he's got good size. |
By today's standards, 300 pounds is a lightweight for a defensive tackle. Over 20 years ago, the Skins had Dave Butz and Darryl Grant. Both were nearly the height of, and equal to or greater than the weight of John Henderson. Of course, Butz's head was about 25 pounds of his total weight. Anyway, defensive tackles have not changed much since the 1980's as far as the "prototypical defensive tackle" is concerned. The taller and the longer reach, the better. 300lbs and gaining or one does not a defensive tackle make. Players weighing less get moved far too easily. At 287lbs, we're talking defensive end, not defensive tackle.
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SkinsFreak
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Joined: 27 Dec 2005
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Location: Surfside
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Mayock's "Draft Prospect Rankings" still has Dre Moore listed #5 in both the DT and the DE categories. At first, I thought it was a mistake. But that list has been updated twice since, and Moore is still there on the DE category. I'm waiting to see Mayock's breakdown of the DE's on The Path To The Draft show for confirmation.
With Moore's size, speed and quick initial burst, I wonder if Mayock thinks Moore could evolve into a hybrid DT/DE player. I'm not saying it's an absolute, but we've heard Cerrato and Blache talk about wanting a hybrid d-line guy who could play inside and outside. If some scouts think Moore 'could' be a hybrid type, I wonder if the Skins would take a look at him. He's also a local product, so that could help him as well.
I know it's been reported that he doesn't always give full effort. I've seen him play a few times, but not in every game for the Terps. He did have his best season as a senior. I wonder if maturity has something to do with his efforts, meaning he could continue to improve his game and effort at the next level. If he was still available in the late 3rd or 4th, he might be worth a look. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Just to clear up the confusion, it looks like Dre Moore being listed on the DE list was a mistake on Mayocks rankings. Campbell is now back at #5 on the DE list. |
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