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| Which do you think are the key positions we need? |
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11% |
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| DT |
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8% |
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8% |
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| S |
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| WR |
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23% |
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| DE |
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44% |
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| OT |
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2% |
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dmwc
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: Key Positions |
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Looking at the combine, mock drafts, the team roster and other items I was looking to see what are our key positions that need to be filled. In one mock draft they got us picking the S from Miami. Most people say we need a big WR. I think that Mix will be in the O and that RD will be able to handle the SS spot. Thats not saying we cant draft someone to compete for those spots. I am a big fan of OL and DL and think that these are the key spots, especialy after last season with the OL problems. maybe a DT with the draft.
as far as the FA season goes, I say build throught the draft, new coach and young players can build lots of trust and faith in each other, I just hope that the rest of the Vets step up and support (unless the feel other wise)
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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In this order:
DE
WR
DT
OG
CB
S |
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PulpExposure
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | In this order:
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WR
DT
OG
CB
S |
That's pretty much exactly where I'd put it. Though maybe I'd switch OG and CB seeing as CB seems to be more of an immediate need. |
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SkinsJock
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Location: New England
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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This is my choices
DE/DT
WR
CB
OG
S
but all are needed not just some  |
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HEROHAMO
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: |
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DE
WR
S
OG
CB
OLB |
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Hog Heaven
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: |
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DE/DT
CB
WR- tall possession
Young OL to develop
wants
S- not a need but leads the wants
TE- for 2 TE sets
depth at LB |
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HanburgerHelper
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Location: Allentown, PA
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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I think we need the following:
Rd #1. DE
First pick must be "can't miss" prospect-- NOT Calais Campbell! Campbell will be a bust-- terrible balance. I'd consider taking a #1 guard prospect here or even OT if he's a blue chipper. Or a DT like Kentwan Balmer of UNC would work but he's a trade down pickup. I'd even consider an impact LB here. Point is, we need to make a safe pick here similar to taking LaRon Landry last year. Landry wasn't the biggest need for us (although now in retrospect, Sean Taylor's passing makes it look like a genius pick), but it was a step to put another team pillar in place.
Love to see the Skins trade their #1 to move back a few spots with their #1 to get more picks in the late first round and/or the early second. Their will be some super-value RBs in that round and some CBs. Dan Connor is Mayock's #1 LB but most mock drafts have him going to the G-men with the final pick of Round 1. I think he's going to be something special. Much better NFL prospect than Paul Podluzny was at PSU last year, only because of Podluzny's knee injury against FSU in the 2006 Orange Bowl.
Rd #2. OG
Our line is getting old-- Kendall and Randy Thomas are over 30 and getting injury plagued. We need to address the guard spot by the second or third pick.
If an incredible RB talent is on the board that's tough to pass up, I'd go for that as well, like Rashard Mendenhall, although he'll likely be gone in Round 1. I think Chris Johnson out of East Carolina is going to light it up and I think he'll be there in the early part of the second round and Steve Slaton of WVU may slide this far.
Rd #3. OLB/ILB
I never see LB mentioned as a need area which shocks me. I think we need to build a LB corps for the future. Marcus Washington has been banged up and I was disappointed as everyone else when Rocky McIntosh went down. Sure, Fletcher is great but for how many more years and he's no longer in Greg Williams's system.
I'd go for the best available OLB here at Round 3 or even higher (2nd or 1st round). If Dan Connor of PSU is available in Round 1 or early second the Skins trade down, I'd consider his services. He has amazing instincts. Hard to teach that. He can play both outside and inside. He did at PSU.
Rd #5. CB
We need CB depth, but I don't think we should burn a #1 on a CB unless he's a super good prospect. At #21, I doubt will get a top flight CB prospect. Smoot is good and if we can keep Springs for another season and Macklin and Rogers backing up, we're serviceable. How is Byron Westbrook progressing? Is Rogers going to be back at 100%? Maybe this is a free agent area and Deangelo Hall of the Falcons is our lone, big-dollar FA signing. If we don't have the money, we try to get a serviceable FA CB out there on the market.
Rd #6. QB
If there's a guy out there with raw skills who was stuck on a bad team and didn't shine in college, we ought to look at developing a young QB like that. If by some chance there's a QB like Flacco or Henne that slides this far, you have to take the chance. I think there are a lot more Tony Romos that get passed up because of what scouts think are ideal prospects and guys who are smart and unflappable are often overlooked. Sorry, folks. We desperately need a QB. I'm not sold on Jason Campbell. Auburn isn't exactly a QB factory.
Rd #7. WR
I know there is a buzz about getting a rangy WR to compliment our little speed demons. I think WR is one of the few positions you can find a cornucopia of talent from the beginning to end of the draft. Marcus Colston proves that theory and you have to look at the smaller schools (Colston went to Hofstra). I hate drafting a WR high because there are so few Randy Moss kind of prospects and then even if a guy looks like a world beater, you can get Detroit Lion-ized on the picks. We might be able to get a WR that's rangy via FA.
If we address WR in FA, best available Offensive lineman makes sense. I'd even look at a kicker or punter here if there are great ones. Is there a saftey out there at this point? I think that Reed Doughty should start at safety. Give him a shot. I liked what I saw. |
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Skins5235
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: My Draft order |
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CB--- Rodgers Cromitare Dominique #21
DE ----- jason jones
OT/G--roy schuening
WR------Adarius bowman
ILB------ben moffitt
OT/G---heath benedict |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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1) WR We need a #2 WR. Preferably tall.
2) OG Jason Fabinii was starting last yr. 'nuff said.
3) DL Daniels & Grif are old.
4) S Vernon Fox is the only backup signed. |
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fleetus
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| yupchagee wrote: | 1) WR We need a #2 WR. Preferably tall.
2) OG Jason Fabinii was starting last yr. 'nuff said.
3) DL Daniels & Grif are old.
4) S Vernon Fox is the only backup signed. |
1) agree on the big WR (Moss TD numbers over three years are 2005 - 9 TD's, 06 - 6 TD's, 07 - 3 TD's) No other WR has even 3 TD's besides Moss! 
2) DL - not necessarily just a pass rusher here. We need to upgrade over the rotation and oft injured status of Grif/Montgomery/Golston not to mention the age of Daniels. So I would say if we can't get the WR we want in the first round AND a nice DT or DE has slipped from the top 15 down to #21, we pull the trigger. Otherwise we should pick up the best DE or DT available in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
3) OL - we need depth everywhere even though the starting 5 of Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas and Jansen is quite good.
4) CB - Springs is good but getting old. Smoot is decent and Rogers probably has more upside but is rehabbing. So starting in 2008 our CB situation is below average. We need to add a young CB with the hopes that he could become Springs successor at #1 CB.
5) S - not nearly the importance of the above positions and Landry is a future star. Many veterans available at low prices, so we take a look at the June 1st cuts for an inexpensive veteran to compete with Doughty. Maybe take a flier draft pick in the later rounds. |
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GSPODS
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Needs By Position:
Center: Rabach / Kendall (OK)
Guard: Thomas / Kendall / ? (Need 2)
Tackle: Samuels / Jansen / Heyer / Alexander (OK)
Tight End: Cooley / ? (Need 1)
Quarterback: Campbell / Collins / Hollenbach (OK)
Running Back: Portis / Betts / Cartwright (OK)
Wide Receiver: Moss / Randle El / Thrash / Mix / McMullen / ? (OK)
Defensive Tackle: Griffin / Golston / Montgomery / Boschetti / Alexander? (OK)
Defensive End: Daniels / Carter / Evans / Wilson (OK)
Middle Linebacker: Fletcher / ? (Need 1)
Outside Linebacker: McIntosh / Washington / Blades / Campbell / Sinclair (OK)
Strong Safety: Doughty / Fox? (Need 1)
Free Safety: Landry / Fox
Cornerback: Springs / Smoot / Rogers / Torrence / Westbrook? (OK)
Kicker: Suisham
Punter: ? (Need 1)
Offensive Guard, Safety and Punter appear to be the critical needs. Defensive End, Wide Receiver and Cornerback appear to be the critical Wants.
Jim Zorn has publicly stated he is happy with the Redskins wide receivers. Does this mean we will see Mix and McMullen this season? Does it mean Zorn thinks the team has more pressing needs? Does it mean The Danny finally refuses to overpay for mediocrity? (See Hackett, D.J.) Most every fan seems to think wide receiver is a pressing need. It doesn't look as though the Redskins think so.
Were I playing GM, I'd be thinking offensive guard, safety, middle linebacker. Offensive linemen are usually a safe draft choice. Safeties are hit or miss but the Redskins have been either good or lucky or both at drafting safeties recently. Everyone seems to think Dan Connor is a good bet for linebacker.
In a perfect world, the Redskins would draft Kenny Phillips, Dan Connor, and Branden Albert.
One Mock Draft has the Redskins drafting Malcolm Kelly at #21 (Limas Sweed being drafted by Buffalo at #11) and Tracy Porter being drafted by the Redskins at # 51. I don't see this mock draft as addressing team needs. |
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SkinsFreak
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| GSPODS wrote: | | Most every fan seems to think wide receiver is a pressing need. It doesn't look as though the Redskins think so. |
I disagree on this. Most fans are simply going on what the organization has said to date, and the fact that receivers are emphasized in the WCO. Cerrato has already said Mix is intriguing and will get a look. The fact that Hackett has already been offered a contract tells me they are still looking for some, or at least one addition.
| Redskins.com wrote: | The Redskins' offense has played without a tall, rangy wide receiver for several years. With head coach Jim Zorn installing the West Coast offense this year, it's thought that a big receiver is needed to run specific routes in that scheme.
Cerrato discussed Kelly and Sweed during the Redskins Radio interview.
"Malcolm Kelly is a very talented big guy," Cerrato said. "He can run and he's very smooth and fluid. He had an outstanding year for Oklahoma and he'll probably go in the top 15 of the draft.
"Limas Sweed--he missed a lot of the year with a wrist injury and he re-injured it at the Senior Bowl a few weeks ago. He is another big guy. Limas will probably go late in the first round or early in the second, depending on how he does at the [NFL Scouting Combine]."
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| Redskins.com wrote: | | Cerrato has identified wide receiver, cornerback, versatile offensive and defensive linemen and fullback as need positions for the Redskins. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | Most every fan seems to think wide receiver is a pressing need. It doesn't look as though the Redskins think so. |
I disagree on this. Most fans are simply going on what the organization has said to date, and the fact that receivers are emphasized in the WCO. Cerrato has already said Mix is intriguing and will get a look. The fact that Hackett has already been offered a contract tells me they are still looking for some, or at least one addition.
| Redskins.com wrote: | The Redskins' offense has played without a tall, rangy wide receiver for several years. With head coach Jim Zorn installing the West Coast offense this year, it's thought that a big receiver is needed to run specific routes in that scheme.
Cerrato discussed Kelly and Sweed during the Redskins Radio interview.
"Malcolm Kelly is a very talented big guy," Cerrato said. "He can run and he's very smooth and fluid. He had an outstanding year for Oklahoma and he'll probably go in the top 15 of the draft.
"Limas Sweed--he missed a lot of the year with a wrist injury and he re-injured it at the Senior Bowl a few weeks ago. He is another big guy. Limas will probably go late in the first round or early in the second, depending on how he does at the [NFL Scouting Combine]."
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| Redskins.com wrote: | | Cerrato has identified wide receiver, cornerback, versatile offensive and defensive linemen and fullback as need positions for the Redskins. |
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Knowing "The Danny" as Redskins fans do, if wide receiver was the primary concern of the Redskins they would have already traded away the farm for a proven big name wide receiver. There is no guarantee that any of the wide receivers being discussed as draft choices will still be available at #21, to say nothing of the specific receiver the Redskins might actually be looking at drafting. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that Sweed and Kelly could easily be gone by #21, and that Hardy could possibly be gone before #21. That would leave the Smurf receivers available, and the Redskins have more than their fair share of vertically challenged receivers.
It is possible that the Redskins are actually looking at Sweed and Kelly but how often does an NFL "GM" (I use the term loosely with Vinny) let anyone know what he is really thinking about the draft? I wouldn't be surprised if the Redskins draft in a completely different direction. |
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CanesSkins26
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Jim Zorn has publicly stated he is happy with the Redskins wide receivers. Does this mean we will see Mix and McMullen this season? Does it mean Zorn thinks the team has more pressing needs? Does it mean The Danny finally refuses to overpay for mediocrity? (See Hackett, D.J.) Most every fan seems to think wide receiver is a pressing need. It doesn't look as though the Redskins think so. |
Despite their public comments, there is no way that the Skins can be happy with the production that we have gotten from our receivers. If they were, then they probably wouldn't be moving ARE to the slot. As it stands now we don't even have anyone to start opposite of Moss. They can't seriously expect Thrash to be a starter. Caldwell isn't under contract. McCardell might not be back (and even if he is, he's 85 years old). That leaves Mix and McMullen (guys that weren't even that good in college and have done NOTHING in the NFL). So unless they want another mediocre offense (which is what they'll get with the current receivers), they need to do something to improve this unit.
You also mentioned defensive end being a critical want, not a need. I would disagree with that 100%. It's been evident for several years now that our defensive line just doesn't cut it. It was painfully obvious during the Seahawks game when they were constantly being pushed around and couldn't get anywhere near Hasselbeck on a consistent basis. There were far too many games last season when opposing qb's had all day to the stay in the pocket (Cardinals and Patriots games are a perfect example) and our dline couldn't do a damn thing about it.
If this team wants to take the next step and go beyond being a .500 team and needing miracle late season runs to make the playoffs, depth on the oline, more talent on the dline, and more talent at wide receiver are all necessities. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: |
Jim Zorn has publicly stated he is happy with the Redskins wide receivers. Does this mean we will see Mix and McMullen this season? Does it mean Zorn thinks the team has more pressing needs? Does it mean The Danny finally refuses to overpay for mediocrity? (See Hackett, D.J.) Most every fan seems to think wide receiver is a pressing need. It doesn't look as though the Redskins think so. |
Despite their public comments, there is no way that the Skins can be happy with the production that we have gotten from our receivers. If they were, then they probably wouldn't be moving ARE to the slot. As it stands now we don't even have anyone to start opposite of Moss. They can't seriously expect Thrash to be a starter. Caldwell isn't under contract. McCardell might not be back (and even if he is, he's 85 years old). That leaves Mix and McMullen (guys that weren't even that good in college and have done NOTHING in the NFL). So unless they want another mediocre offense (which is what they'll get with the current receivers), they need to do something to improve this unit.
You also mentioned defensive end being a critical want, not a need. I would disagree with that 100%. It's been evident for several years now that our defensive line just doesn't cut it. It was painfully obvious during the Seahawks game when they were constantly being pushed around and couldn't get anywhere near Hasselbeck on a consistent basis. There were far too many games last season when opposing qb's had all day to the stay in the pocket (Cardinals and Patriots games are a perfect example) and our dline couldn't do a damn thing about it.
If this team wants to take the next step and go beyond being a .500 team and needing miracle late season runs to make the playoffs, depth on the oline, more talent on the dline, and more talent at wide receiver are all necessities. |
The question is: Do the Redskins draft based upon needs or wants or a combination of both? The difference between a need and a want, in my opinion is the qualifier. A need is qualified as "We need to draft a safety or we can't field a complete team roster." A want is quailifed as "We need to draft a tall wide receiver with good hands or we can't use all of our offensive playbook." You'll notice I listed the both the needs and the wants as Critical. I believe the Redskins want help at all of the positions mentioned.
As far as the wide receiver issue is concerned, it could be that the Redskins are trying the conservative approach first, the usual Redskin way second, and the draft as a last resort. If a #2 wide receiver who also meets certain height and hands criterium is a critical need, a team would not usually attempt to fill that void through the draft. The odds of missing overwhelm the odds of hitting on a drafted wide receiver.
The wonderful thing about speculating is that regardless of how far off-base any of us might be, we don't actually have to make any of these decisions. The Greek tragedy is that, as Washington Redskins fans, we do have to live with the consequences of these decisions. |
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