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CanesSkins26
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| Quote: | | In fact, the team will regress. |
How so? As our #2 receiver last season ARE had 51 catches, 728 yards, and 1 td. I think that it would be very difficult for a rookie to come in and produce numbers that are much lower than that, especially when it comes to td's. I think that if we can get a receiver such as Sweed, Thomas, or Kelly, start him opposite Moss, and move ARE to the slot, that that would be an improvement over what we had last season. Don't forget that we had Thrash, McCardell, and Caldwell logging major minutes at times last season. It's very difficult, if not impossible, to regress from that. |
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SkinsFreak
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| GSPODS wrote: | | I am arguing that bringing in one player, D.J. Hackett, does not support Cerrato's statement about pursuing a difference maker. Pursuing Chad Johnson, should he become available, would support Cerrato's statement. Difference makers are top-tier players and are going to be expensive. The freaking Raiders are paying DeAngelo Hall $10 Million a year by all accounts. Difference maker pay. Are you trying to convince me that waiting until the draft is genuinely looking for a difference maker? Because Cerrato doesn't strike me as the type to get off his dead ass and do any of the leg work himself on available or possible trades. And simply drafting players is not going to improve this team. In fact, the team will regress. |
Oh, my bad, I must've missed that. Show me where Vinny said he was looking for a "difference maker" at the WR position.
| GSPODS wrote: | | And simply drafting players is not going to improve this team. In fact, the team will regress. |
 And there you have it, folks.
| GSPODS wrote: | | Because Cerrato doesn't strike me as the type to get off his dead ass and do any of the leg work himself on available or possible trades. |
Yeah, ooooooookay. Vinny isn't known for making trades. Gotcha.  I see what we're up against with that thinking...
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GSPODS
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | In fact, the team will regress. |
How so? As our #2 receiver last season ARE had 51 catches, 728 yards, and 1 td. I think that it would be very difficult for a rookie to come in and produce numbers that are much lower than that, especially when it comes to td's. I think that if we can get a receiver such as Sweed, Thomas, or Kelly, start him opposite Moss, and move ARE to the slot, that that would be an improvement over what we had last season. Don't forget that we had Thrash, McCardell, and Caldwell logging major minutes at times last season. It's very difficult, if not impossible, to regress from that. |
I'd prefer the Redskins not challenge regression. The idea of free agency and the draft is to somehow improve your team. To date, the Redskins have done nothing other than to re-sign three of their own players. While none of us want to see the Skins break the bank in free agency yet again, the happy medium between bringing in four over-priced free agents and doing nothing at all is bringing in one difference maker, as they did with London Fletcher last season.
There are no draft picks who are going to be a #1 wide receiver at the 21st pick. And the Redskins need a #1 wide receiver, not a #2 wide receiver. If Cerrato and Company think Moss is a true #1 wide receiver, that is the problem. He isn't. He gets no separation from defenders unless the defender makes a coverage mistake. We can make excuses about injuries and double coverage all we want. Excuses don't improve the passing offense of the Washington Redskins. If they want a 51 catch wide receiver, they can re-sign Reche Caldwell. He's good for that much in a full-time starter role. The Skins need a 90 to 100 reception wide receiver or they are simply filling roster holes. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | In fact, the team will regress. |
How so? As our #2 receiver last season ARE had 51 catches, 728 yards, and 1 td. I think that it would be very difficult for a rookie to come in and produce numbers that are much lower than that, especially when it comes to td's. I think that if we can get a receiver such as Sweed, Thomas, or Kelly, start him opposite Moss, and move ARE to the slot, that that would be an improvement over what we had last season. Don't forget that we had Thrash, McCardell, and Caldwell logging major minutes at times last season. It's very difficult, if not impossible, to regress from that. |
I'd prefer the Redskins not challenge regression. The idea of free agency and the draft is to somehow improve your team. To date, the Redskins have done nothing other than to re-sign three of their own players. While none of us want to see the Skins break the bank in free agency yet again, the happy medium between bringing in four over-priced free agents and doing nothing at all is bringing in one difference maker, as they did with London Fletcher last season.
There are no draft picks who are going to be a #1 wide receiver at the 21st pick. And the Redskins need a #1 wide receiver, not a #2 wide receiver. If Cerrato and Company think Moss is a true #1 wide receiver, that is the problem. He isn't. He gets no separation from defenders unless the defender makes a coverage mistake. We can make excuses about injuries and double coverage all we want. Excuses don't improve the passing offense of the Washington Redskins. If they want a 51 catch wide receiver, they can re-sign Reche Caldwell. He's good for that much in a full-time starter role. The Skins need a 90 to 100 reception wide receiver or they are simply filling roster holes. |
The problem is that this was a very weak year in terms of available free agents, especially at the wide receiver position. Even trade wise there really aren't very many players available that are going to help our positions of need (dline, receiver). There were a few defensive tackles traded and perhaps the Skins could've been more active in that regard, but I don't think that they have really missed much this offseason. Corey Williams is a guy that the Skins could've looked at, but the Browns traded a 2nd rounder to get him and that's a pretty steep price.
I know you've mentioned Chad Johnson as a possible trade target, but at the age of 30 the Skins would realistically be acquiring him to perform at an elite level for 2-3 seasons. While he's talented, he isn't even the best receiver on his own him so the idea of trading multiple picks for him doesn't make much sense. Now if a player like Roy Williams became available that would be a different story. |
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GSPODS
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | I am arguing that bringing in one player, D.J. Hackett, does not support Cerrato's statement about pursuing a difference maker. Pursuing Chad Johnson, should he become available, would support Cerrato's statement. Difference makers are top-tier players and are going to be expensive. The freaking Raiders are paying DeAngelo Hall $10 Million a year by all accounts. Difference maker pay. Are you trying to convince me that waiting until the draft is genuinely looking for a difference maker? Because Cerrato doesn't strike me as the type to get off his dead ass and do any of the leg work himself on available or possible trades. And simply drafting players is not going to improve this team. In fact, the team will regress. |
Oh, my bad, I must've missed that. Show me where Vinny said he was looking for a "difference maker" at the WR position.
| GSPODS wrote: | | And simply drafting players is not going to improve this team. In fact, the team will regress. |
And there you have it, folks.
| GSPODS wrote: | | Because Cerrato doesn't strike me as the type to get off his dead ass and do any of the leg work himself on available or possible trades. |
Yeah, ooooooookay. Vinny isn't known for making trades. Gotcha. I see what we're up against with that thinking...
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Show you where Vinny said he was looking for a difference maker?
Cerrato dismisses speculation that the Redskins are cutting back. "That has nothing to do with it," he said. [b]"If there was a player we felt we needed out there, that would make the difference for us, we would go out and get him. It's as simple as that." [/b]
Cerrato is absolutely known for making trades, bad ones. The trades Vinny makes are for over-priced, underperformers who are known to be available. When has he negotiated a trade for an actual difference maker who was not known to be available? When has he gone above and beyond the usual call of "How many high-priced free agents are there and how many of them can we sign?"
The Redskins strategy this off-season has been to avoid making bad trades for overpaid underperformers. Excellent. Good strategy. However, going in the reverse direction by bringing in one underpaid underperformer is not the solution. There are other "London Fletcher" type difference makers in the NFL, and almost everyone is available for a price.
Emoticons and flawed logic aside, when was the last time a wide receiver drafted by the Redskins was a difference maker? The last wide receiver drafted by the Redskins was Taylor Jacobs in 2003. Going back, there was Cliff Russell in 2002. There was Rod Gardner and Darnerian McCants in 2001. Albert Connell in 1997. Michael Westbrook in 1995. Tydus Winans in 1994. Desmond Howard in 1992. Keenan McCardell in 1991. There was a difference maker, for another team. Eric Affholter in 1989. Ted Wilson and Laron Brown in 1987. Walter Murray and Eric Yarber in 1986. Curtland Thomas, Clarence Verdin and Gary Clark in 1984. Gary Clark. 1984. Charlie Brown. 1981. Art Monk. 1980.
24 years ago, at minimum, the Redskins drafted a difference maker at wide receiver who actually played for the Redskins. But you're right. The draft will be the answer this time. It always has been the Redskins answer for wide receivers, especially difference makers. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Flawed logic? First, we're in the "draft forum", so of course some of us are going to discuss the draft. Second, what you're suggesting is that the Skins contact every team that might have a decent receiver to see if we can offer up something for that guy. Which teams are dangling which receivers as trade bait right now??? Talk about flawed logic. That approach would cost the Skins dearly as the price tag of such a stupid deal would be way beyond market value. What other motivation is there to make a team trade a grade A player which otherwise they'd have no intentions of trading? That motivation could only come in the form of a deal too good to pass up. Meaning, compensation well above market. Stupid, no other way to look at it, just stupid.
Now, if some other team came to the Skins and made some kind of reasonable trade, then that's certainly a possibility, and that is what Cerrato is referring to. But he is mostly talking about free agency, not trades.
Man, I've seen some stupid posts here before, but some of yours take the prize. Just because Chad is barking doesn't mean Cincy has any intention of trading him, which they've said several times now. The only reason Hackett had some interest from the team was his familiarity with Zorn and the system, yet you can't figure that out, as you think an offer must mean they view him as a saviour for our WR corps. As I said, good detective work, Mr. Lawyer. |
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SkinsFreak
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| GSPUNK wrote: | | Cerrato is absolutely known for making trades, bad ones. The trades Vinny makes are for over-priced, underperformers who are known to be available. When has he negotiated a trade for an actual difference maker who was not known to be available? |
Portis? Moss? Yeah, these guys are underperformers. Also, you're right, Moss rarely gets separation cause he's soooo slow. Probably the fastest guy on the team. But whatever... |
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GSPODS
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I'll agree to disagree at this point.
Drafting wide receivers never works out for the Redskins. Even during the entire Joe Gibbs era, the Redskins drafted two good wide receivers, one in 1981 and one in 1984. Zero since 1984.
I think the Redskins should consider paying a premium price for a premium wide receiver. You don't. We disagree.
I think history bears out that the Redskins should not rely on the draft for wide receivers. You think the draft is a better solution than an expensive trade. Again, we disagree.
If we all agreed on the best way to improve the team we would have nothing to discuss during the off-season.
Ultimately, we all want to see a winning product on the field, regardless of how the Redskins organization fields the team. If the Skins drafted the next Art Monk caliber receiver, I'd be thrilled. If the Skins traded for the next Art Monk type receiver, I doubt you would be disappointed.
Different means to the same end. |
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PulpExposure
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| GSPODS wrote: | I'll agree to disagree at this point.
Drafting wide receivers never works out for the Redskins. Even during the entire Joe Gibbs era, the Redskins drafted two good wide receivers, one in 1981 and one in 1984. Zero since 1984. |
GSPODS, it's not the same people drafting WRs throughout those years. I'm not sure you can logically draw the conclusion you're reaching that there is there some institutional memory that ensures that the Redskins cannot draft wide receivers. It's a completely nonsensical position.
For example, San Diego drafted James Brooks in 1981, and went through 21 running back draft choices before they drafted LaDainian Thomlinson in 2001. By your logic, they should have stopped drafting RBs way before then. Until the Colts drafted Peyton Manning and the Patriots drafted Brady, neither team had any success drafting QBs until then.
You're being disingenuous. |
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GSPODS
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| PulpExposure wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | I'll agree to disagree at this point.
Drafting wide receivers never works out for the Redskins. Even during the entire Joe Gibbs era, the Redskins drafted two good wide receivers, one in 1981 and one in 1984. Zero since 1984. |
GSPODS, it's not the same people drafting WRs throughout those years. I'm not sure you can logically draw the conclusion you're reaching that there is there some institutional memory that ensures that the Redskins cannot draft wide receivers. It's a completely nonsensical position.
For example, San Diego drafted James Brooks in 1981, and went through 21 running back draft choices before they drafted LaDainian Thomlinson in 2001. By your logic, they should have stopped drafting RBs way before then. Until the Colts drafted Peyton Manning and the Patriots drafted Brady, neither team had any success drafting QBs until then.
You're being disingenuous. |
Actually, without trying to do so, you are proving my point that the odds of drafting a gem are slim, regardless of position. Bobby Beathard, Charley Casserly and Bill Pollian are a few of the GM's involved in your analogy. No one would claim Beathard and Pollian aren't among the best GM's in history. But even the best GM's fail with the draft far more than they succeed.
And the more fans jump on a player's draft bandwagon, the bigger a bust the player usually turns out to be. I would stay the hell away from Sweed, Kelly, Hardy and any other over-hyped player. I suppose this is why I'm not a GM. |
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SkinsFreak
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| GSPODS wrote: | | I would stay the hell away from Sweed, Kelly, Hardy and any other over-hyped player. I suppose this is why I'm not a GM. |
Kelly and Sweed are considered to be two of the best WR's coming out this year. Have you seen those players broken down on film by the experts out there? ESPN ain't doing it. Explain how those players over-hyped? |
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GSPODS
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | I would stay the hell away from Sweed, Kelly, Hardy and any other over-hyped player. I suppose this is why I'm not a GM. |
Kelly and Sweed are considered to be two of the best WR's coming out this year. Have you seen those players broken down on film by the experts out there? ESPN ain't doing it. Explain how those players over-hyped? |
Michael Westbrook was also considered to be the best wide receiver coming out the year he was drafted by the Redskins. I saw him broken down on film. It didn't help him in the NFL.
I know all of the hype on Kelly and Sweed. I have seen the film. I have heard the experts. I don't watch ESPN, the Especially Slow to Pickup News network. They're too busy re-running Yankees, Dallas and Boston lowlights to ever report anything of actual interest, much less anything accurate.
How are these draft prospects over-hyped? Easily. The experts would lead us to believe we have the second coming of Jerry Rice, Art Monk and Steve Largent in this draft. We don't. The fact that Buffalo, Philadelphia and Tampa Bay all need wide receivers, and all pick before the Redskins may make any argument about Sweed, Kelly, and Hardy moot anyway. |
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BnGhog
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| Quote: | | (SkinsFreak) "Sorry GSPODS, BnGhog's post does not support your argument ""You were trying to argue that because the Skins haven't tried to bring in Johnson, or any other "quality" receiver via a trade, is evidence they have no intentions of adding one from another source, which is pretty ignorant, based on all signs from the organization. " |
That was not my argument. Where was I arguing that???? You might have been with someone else.
| Quote: | | (SkinsFreak)"Skins haven't tried to bring in Johnson" |
Are you saying they did?? Have a Link??
All I was saying is that I would rather have JC than to draft. Because we know what he can do. And before you put words in my mouth, I'm not saying I would throw away all our draft picks and not use the draft. And I never said that I am against drafting a WR, AND I never said I'm against the draft. Or the organization has no intentions of drafting a WR.
And I can say, IMO it wouldn't be overspending even with out knowing the price. Sure his value is not infinite, Just like our cap space is not infinite, which is why I would say it wouldn't be overspending. Unless, they want to pay something stupid like 11ty billion a year. Again cap wouldn't allow that, and as long as we plan to have 53 man roster, we couldn't spend but so much. Even if its more than his "maket value", If he gets us to the SB. Its worth it.
| Quote: | | (SkinsFreak)"It's fun to fantasize about trades until you understand the economics of it" |
Just like it was for Cowpie fans to fantasize about T.O. coming to Dallas. But T.O. wants too much money. And the Cowpies didn't even try to send him a lowball offer, even thought no other team in the NFL wanted him.
Why did they do that? He was worth it, thats why. |
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SkinsFreak
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BnG, I don't really understand your post, but I was addressing GSPODS, not you. Also, how does the Pies economics prior to bringing in TO have anything to do with the Skins current cap situation or economics?
| GSPODS wrote: | | The experts would lead us to believe we have the second coming of Jerry Rice, Art Monk and Steve Largent in this draft. |
Well, I don't know what "experts" you listen to, but nobody I've heard has made any comparisons of the kind. If you don't watch ESPN and don't have satellite, what experts are you listening to and where have you seen coaches tape broken down on these guys?
It must be the lawyer in you, cause you just make things up as you go along and hope someones buys it. Joke. The draft guru's have ranked them for this draft, and have not made one comparison to any previous players or drafts. I knew you wouldn't have anything of substance to support your ignorant position of these guys being over-hyped. You mention one receiver who didn't turn out to be much, Westbrook. What about the dozens of others that were great? |
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GSPODS
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | What about the dozens of others that were great? |
Name the "dozens of others".
Dozens being plural, name 24 "great wide receivers" drafted since 2000.
I'll name five times that number who didn't make the cut.
Never mind. Here's the list: 248 wide receivers drafted since 2000.
And, according to you, there are "dozens" of great ones.
Two dozen "great receivers" would be under 10%.
Four dozen "great receivers" would be under 20%.
2007 - Wide Receivers
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 2 Calvin Johnson Georgia Tech Detroit Lions
1 9 Ted Ginn Jr. Ohio State Miami Dolphins
1 23 Dwayne Bowe Louisiana State Kansas City Chiefs
1 27 Robert Meachem Tennessee New Orleans Saints
1 30 Craig Davis Louisiana State San Diego Chargers
1 32 Anthony Gonzalez Ohio State Indianapolis Colts
2 44 Sidney Rice South Carolina Minnesota Vikings
2 45 Dwayne Jarrett USC Carolina Panthers
2 51 Steve Smith USC New York Giants
3 73 Jacoby Jones Lane Houston Texans
3 74 Yamon Figurs Kansas State Baltimore Ravens
3 75 Laurent Robinson Illinois State Atlanta Falcons
3 76 Jason Hill Washington State San Francisco 49ers
3 78 James Jones San Jose State Green Bay Packers
3 79 Mike Walker Central Florida Jacksonville Jaguars
3 80 Paul Williams Fresno State Tennessee Titans
3 99 Johnnie Lee Higgins Texas-El Paso Oakland Raiders
4 103 Isaiah Stanback Washington Dallas Cowboys
4 118 Ryne Robinson Miami (Ohio) Carolina Panthers
4 128 Chris Davis Florida State Tennessee Titans
5 142 Steve Breaston Michigan Arizona Cardinals
5 146 Aundrae Allison East Carolina Minnesota Vikings
5 157 David Clowney Virginia Tech Green Bay Packers
5 169 Roy Hall Ohio State Indianapolis Colts
5 172 Legedu Naanee Boise State San Diego Chargers
6 188 Joel Filani Texas Tech Tennessee Titans
6 197 Courtney Taylor Auburn Seattle Seahawks
6 210 Jordan Kent Oregon Seattle Seahawks
7 227 Dallas Baker Florida Pittsburgh Steelers
7 229 John Broussard San Jose State Jacksonville Jaguars
7 233 Chandler Williams Florida International Minnesota Vikings
7 234 Syndric Steptoe Arizona Cleveland Browns
7 235 Chansi Stuckey Clemson New York Jets
7 249 Derek Stanley Wis.-Whitewater St. Louis Rams
7 254 Johnathan Holland Louisiana Tech Oakland Raiders
2006 - Wide Receivers
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 25 Santonio Holmes Ohio State Pittsburgh Steelers
2 36 Chad Jackson Florida New England Patriots
2 44 Sinorice Moss Miami (Fla.) New York Giants
2 52 Greg Jennings Western Michigan Green Bay Packers
3 78 Travis Wilson Oklahoma Cleveland Browns
3 82 Derek Hagan Arizona State Miami Dolphins
3 84 Brandon Williams Wisconsin San Francisco 49ers
3 90 Maurice Stovall Notre Dame Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 95 Willie Reid Florida State Pittsburgh Steelers
4 103 Brad Smith Missouri New York Jets
4 104 Cory Rodgers Texas Christian Green Bay Packers
4 109 Jason Avant Michigan Philadelphia Eagles
4 111 Demetrius Williams Oregon Baltimore Ravens
4 119 Brandon Marshall Central Florida Denver Broncos
4 125 Skyler Green Louisiana State Dallas Cowboys
4 130 Domenik Hixon Akron Denver Broncos
5 144 Marques Hagans Virginia St. Louis Rams
5 147 Jeremy Bloom Colorado Philadelphia Eagles
6 171 Mike Hass Oregon State New Orleans Saints
6 172 Jonathan Orr Wisconsin Tennessee Titans
6 184 Adam Jennings Fresno State Atlanta Falcons
6 190 Jeff Webb San Diego State Kansas City Chiefs
6 193 Reggie McNeal Texas A&M Cincinnati Bengals
7 218 Todd Watkins Brigham Young Arizona Cardinals
7 231 Bennie Brazell Louisiana State Cincinnati Bengals
7 233 Devin Aromashodu Auburn Miami Dolphins
7 249 Ben Obomanu Auburn Seattle Seahawks
7 251 David Anderson Colorado State Houston Texans
7 252 Marques Colston Hofstra New Orleans Saints
7 255 Kevin McMahan Maine Oakland Raiders
2005 - Wide Receivers
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 3 Braylon Edwards Michigan Cleveland Browns
1 7 Troy Williamson South Carolina Minnesota Vikings
1 10 Mike Williams USC Detroit Lions
1 21 Matt Jones Arkansas Jacksonville Jaguars
1 22 Mark Clayton Oklahoma Baltimore Ravens
1 27 Roddy White Alabama-Birmingham Atlanta Falcons
2 35 Reggie Brown Georgia Philadelphia Eagles
2 39 Mark Bradley Oklahoma Chicago Bears
2 55 Roscoe Parrish Miami (Fla.) Buffalo Bills
2 58 Terrence Murphy Texas A&M Green Bay Packers
2 61 Vincent Jackson Northern Colorado San Diego Chargers
3 68 Courtney Roby Indiana Tennessee Titans
3 83 Chris Henry West Virginia Cincinnati Bengals
3 96 Brandon Jones Oklahoma Tennessee Titans
4 114 Jerome Mathis Hampton Houston Texans
4 116 Craphonso Thorpe Florida State Kansas City Chiefs
4 118 Chase Lyman California New Orleans Saints
4 131 Fred Gibson Georgia Pittsburgh Steelers
4 136 Roydell Williams Tulane Tennessee Titans
5 140 Airese Currie Clemson Chicago Bears
5 174 Rasheed Marshall West Virginia San Francisco 49ers
6 185 Chad Owens Hawaii Jacksonville Jaguars
6 190 Tab Perry UCLA Cincinnati Bengals
6 192 Dante Ridgeway Ball State St. Louis Rams
6 195 Craig Bragg UCLA Green Bay Packers
7 223 Marcus Maxwell Oregon San Francisco 49ers
7 225 Paris Warren Utah Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7 226 LeRon McCoy Indiana (PA) Arizona Cardinals
7 240 Harry Williams Tuskegee New York Jets
7 253 J.R. Russell Louisville Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2004 - Wide Receivers
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 3 Larry Fitzgerald Pittsburgh Arizona Cardinals
1 7 Roy Williams Texas Detroit Lions
1 9 Reggie Williams Washington Jacksonville Jaguars
1 13 Lee Evans Wisconsin Buffalo Bills
1 15 Michael Clayton Louisiana State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1 29 Michael Jenkins Ohio State Atlanta Falcons
1 31 Rashaun Woods Oklahoma State San Francisco 49ers
2 50 Devery Henderson Louisiana State New Orleans Saints
2 54 Darius Watts Marshall Denver Broncos
2 62 Keary Colbert USC Carolina Panthers
3 77 Derrick Hamilton Clemson San Francisco 49ers
3 78 Bernard Berrian Fresno State Chicago Bears
3 82 Devard Darling Washington State Baltimore Ravens
4 99 Carlos Francis Texas Tech Oakland Raiders
4 105 Samie Parker Oregon Kansas City Chiefs
4 108 Jerricho Cotchery North Carolina State New York Jets
4 120 Ernest Wilford Virginia Tech Jacksonville Jaguars
5 134 Johnnie Morant Syracuse Oakland Raiders
5 149 Maurice Mann Nevada-Reno Cincinnati Bengals
5 157 D.J. Hackett Colorado Seattle Seahawks
5 163 Drew Carter Ohio State Carolina Panthers
5 164 P.K. Sam Florida State New England Patriots
6 168 Jamaar Taylor Texas A&M New York Giants
6 171 Triandos Luke Alabama Denver Broncos
6 195 Jeris McIntyre Auburn Kansas City Chiefs
6 199 Clarence Moore Northern Arizona Baltimore Ravens
7 206 Mark Jones Tennessee Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7 211 Sloan Thomas Texas Houston Texans
7 214 Jonathan Smith Georgia Tech Buffalo Bills
7 216 Patrick Crayton Northwestern Oklahoma State Dallas Cowboys
7 244 Derek Abney Kentucky Baltimore Ravens
2003 - Wide Receivers
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 2 Charles Rogers Michigan State Detroit Lions
1 3 Andre Johnson Miami (Fla.) Houston Texans
1 17 Bryant Johnson Penn State Arizona Cardinals
2 44 Taylor Jacobs Florida Washington Redskins
2 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M New England Patriots
2 54 Anquan Boldin Florida State Arizona Cardinals
2 60 Tyrone Calico Middle Tennessee State Tennessee Titans
3 65 Kelley Washington Tennessee Cincinnati Bengals
3 71 Nate Burleson Nevada-Reno Minnesota Vikings
3 74 Kevin Curtis Utah State St. Louis Rams
3 95 Billy McMullen Virginia Philadelphia Eagles
4 106 Shaun McDonald Arizona State St. Louis Rams
4 124 Brandon Lloyd Illinois San Francisco 49ers
4 127 Sam Aiken North Carolina Buffalo Bills
5 139 Bobby Wade Arizona Chicago Bears
5 143 Justin Gage Missouri Chicago Bears
5 158 Adrian Madise Texas Christian Denver Broncos
5 167 Doug Gabriel Central Florida Oakland Raiders
5 169 J.R. Tolver San Diego State Miami Dolphins
6 175 David Kircus Grand Valley State Detroit Lions
6 186 Zuriel Smith Hampton Dallas Cowboys
6 196 LaTarence Dunbar Texas Christian Atlanta Falcons
6 197 Arnaz Battle Notre Dame San Francisco 49ers
6 199 Willie Ponder Southeast Missouri State New York Giants
6 211 David Tyree Syracuse New York Giants
7 221 Keenan Howry Oregon Minnesota Vikings
7 224 Taco Wallace Kansas State Seattle Seahawks
7 226 Walter Young Illinois Carolina Panthers
7 231 Talman Gardner Florida State New Orleans Saints
7 255 Kevin Walter Eastern Michigan New York Giants
7 256 Carl Ford Toledo Green Bay Packers
7 262 Ryan Hoag Gustavus Adolphus Oakland Raiders
2002 - Wide Receivers
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 13 Donte' Stallworth Tennessee New Orleans Saints
1 19 Ashley Lelie Hawaii Denver Broncos
1 20 Javon Walker Florida State Green Bay Packers
2 33 Jabar Gaffney Florida Houston Texans
2 36 Josh Reed Louisiana State Buffalo Bills
2 46 Tim Carter Auburn New York Giants
2 47 Andre Davis Virginia Tech Cleveland Browns
2 48 Reche Caldwell Florida San Diego Chargers
2 62 Antwaan Randle El Indiana Pittsburgh Steelers
2 63 Antonio Bryant Pittsburgh Dallas Cowboys
2 65 Deion Branch Louisville New England Patriots
3 86 Marquise Walker Michigan Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 87 Cliff Russell Utah Washington Redskins
3 95 Eric Crouch Nebraska St. Louis Rams
4 123 Ron Johnson Minnesota Baltimore Ravens
5 142 Terry Charles Portland State San Diego Chargers
5 144 Herb Haygood Michigan State Denver Broncos
5 149 Jason McAddley Alabama Arizona Cardinals
5 151 Jake Schifino Akron Tennessee Titans
5 162 Freddie Milons Alabama Philadelphia Eagles
5 170 Sam Simmons Northwestern Miami Dolphins
6 184 Kahlil Hill Iowa Atlanta Falcons
6 195 Lamont Brightful Eastern Washington Baltimore Ravens
6 202 Lee Mays Texas-El Paso Pittsburgh Steelers
6 203 Jamin Elliott Delaware Chicago Bears
6 206 Javin Hunter Notre Dame Baltimore Ravens
7 222 Kendall Newson Middle Tennessee State Jacksonville Jaguars
7 225 Darrell Hill Northern Illinois Tennessee Titans
7 226 Daryl Jones Miami (Fla.) New York Giants
7 253 David Givens Notre Dame New England Patriots
2001 - Wide Receivers
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 8 David Terrell Michigan Chicago Bears
1 9 Koren Robinson North Carolina State Seattle Seahawks
1 15 Rod Gardner Clemson Washington Redskins
1 16 Santana Moss Miami (Fla.) New York Jets
1 25 Freddie Mitchell UCLA Philadelphia Eagles
1 30 Reggie Wayne Miami (Fla.) Indianapolis Colts
2 33 Quincy Morgan Kansas State Cleveland Browns
2 36 Chad Johnson Oregon State Cincinnati Bengals
2 41 Robert Ferguson Texas A&M Green Bay Packers
2 52 Chris Chambers Wisconsin Miami Dolphins
3 74 Steve Smith Utah Carolina Panthers
3 77 Snoop Minnis Florida State Kansas City Chiefs
4 116 Milton Wynn Washington State St. Louis Rams
4 124 Justin McCareins Northern Illinois Tennessee Titans
4 131 Cedric James Texas Christian Minnesota Vikings
5 136 Vinny Sutherland Purdue Atlanta Falcons
5 140 Alex Bannister Eastern Kentucky Seattle Seahawks
5 148 Scotty Anderson Grambling State Detroit Lions
5 153 Onome Ojo California-Davis New Orleans Saints
5 154 Darnerien McCants Delaware State Washington Redskins
5 159 Eddie Berlin Northern Iowa Tennessee Titans
5 162 Jonathan Carter Troy State New York Giants
6 169 Cedrick Wilson Tennessee San Francisco 49ers
6 190 Kevin Kasper Iowa Denver Broncos
7 204 T.J. Houshmandzadeh Oregon State Cincinnati Bengals
7 214 Reggie Germany Ohio State Buffalo Bills
7 229 Ken-Yon Rambo Ohio State Oakland Raiders
7 235 Richmond Flowers Tennessee-Chattanooga Jacksonville Jaguars
7 236 Quentin McCord Kentucky Atlanta Falcons
7 245 Andre King Miami (Fla.) Cleveland Browns
2000 - Wide Receivers
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 4 Peter Warrick Florida State Cincinnati Bengals
1 8 Plaxico Burress Michigan State Pittsburgh Steelers
1 10 Travis Taylor Florida Baltimore Ravens
1 21 Sylvester Morris Jackson State Kansas City Chiefs
1 29 R.Jay Soward USC Jacksonville Jaguars
2 32 Dennis Northcutt Arizona Cleveland Browns
2 36 Todd Pinkston Southern Mississippi Philadelphia Eagles
2 47 Jerry Porter West Virginia Oakland Raiders
3 66 Ron Dugans Florida State Cincinnati Bengals
3 69 Dez White Georgia Tech Chicago Bears
3 70 Chris Cole Texas A&M Denver Broncos
3 73 Ron Dixon Lambuth New York Giants
3 78 Laveranues Coles Florida State New York Jets
3 79 JaJuan Dawson Tulane Cleveland Browns
3 80 Darrell Jackson Florida Seattle Seahawks
4 99 Gari Scott Michigan State Philadelphia Eagles
4 103 Danny Farmer UCLA Pittsburgh Steelers
4 111 Trevor Gaylor Miami (Ohio) San Diego Chargers
4 114 Anthony Lucas Arkansas Green Bay Packers
4 121 Avion Black Tennessee State Buffalo Bills
5 143 Windrell Hayes USC New York Jets
5 154 Muneer Moore Richmond Denver Broncos
5 165 Troy Walters Stanford Minnesota Vikings
6 172 Mareno Philyaw Troy State Atlanta Falcons
6 175 James Williams Marshall Seattle Seahawks
6 196 Emanuel Smith Arkansas Jacksonville Jaguars
6 200 Sherrod Gideon Southern Mississippi New Orleans Saints
7 208 Desmond Kitchings Furman Kansas City Chiefs
7 233 Drew Haddad Buffalo Buffalo Bills
7 242 Charles Lee Central Florida Green Bay Packers |
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