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| Which do you think are the key positions we need? |
| OG |
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11% |
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| DT |
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8% |
[ 3 ] |
| CB |
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8% |
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| S |
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0% |
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| WR |
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23% |
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| DE |
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44% |
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| OT |
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2% |
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CanesSkins26
Canes Skin
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
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Location: Alexandria, VA
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Cerrato is absolutely known for making trades, bad ones. The trades Vinny makes are for over-priced, underperformers who are known to be available. When has he negotiated a trade for an actual difference maker who was not known to be available? When has he gone above and beyond the usual call of "How many high-priced free agents are there and how many of them can we sign?" |
I agree with you that Vinny makes bad trades for the most part. But given that fact, why would you want him engineering trades this offseason? You talk about Chad Johnson and trading some of our draft picks, but do you really trust Vinny to do that properly? |
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GSPODS
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Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | Cerrato is absolutely known for making trades, bad ones. The trades Vinny makes are for over-priced, underperformers who are known to be available. When has he negotiated a trade for an actual difference maker who was not known to be available? When has he gone above and beyond the usual call of "How many high-priced free agents are there and how many of them can we sign?" |
I agree with you that Vinny makes bad trades for the most part. But given that fact, why would you want him engineering trades this offseason? You talk about Chad Johnson and trading some of our draft picks, but do you really trust Vinny to do that properly? |
I don't trust Cerrato to wipe his rear end properly. He's too busy wiping The Danny's to pay any attention to his own. But Cerrato opened his own mouth by saying that "if there was a difference maker" the Redskins would pursue a trade. I think he was talking out his unwiped rear end.
That aside, a trade for a proven veteran is still a much safer move than a draft pick for a wide receiver. I was never arguing the cost. Any top-tier wide receiver is going to cost more than market value. It isn't about the investment. It is about the return on the investment. |
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yupchagee
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Joined: 19 Apr 2006
Posts: 4110
Location: Louisville KY
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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GSPODS wrote:
| Quote: | | The experts would lead us to believe we have the second coming of Jerry Rice, Art Monk and Steve Largent in this draft. |
The experts I've read say this WR class is just average at best. |
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GSPODS
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Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| yupchagee wrote: | GSPODS wrote:
| Quote: | | The experts would lead us to believe we have the second coming of Jerry Rice, Art Monk and Steve Largent in this draft. |
The experts I've read say this WR class is just average at best. |
I would agree with that analysis. That is why I've been stating repeatedly that the Redskins should pursue a trade for a top-tier wide receiver rather than filling the void through the draft. If no one is being dangled, the Redskins have both the draft picks and the cash to entice another team. And the other roster needs can still be filled through the draft. The team does have a large number of draft selections this season. |
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VetSkinsFan
One Step Away
Joined: 19 Jul 2007
Posts: 7779
Location: NoVA
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | yupchagee wrote: | GSPODS wrote:
| Quote: | | The experts would lead us to believe we have the second coming of Jerry Rice, Art Monk and Steve Largent in this draft. |
The experts I've read say this WR class is just average at best. |
I would agree with that analysis. That is why I've been stating repeatedly that the Redskins should pursue a trade for a top-tier wide receiver rather than filling the void through the draft. If no one is being dangled, the Redskins have both the draft picks and the cash to entice another team. And the other roster needs can still be filled through the draft. The team does have a large number of draft selections this season. |
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole salary cap/economics of the NFL, but $8m isn't all that much to play with in FA and the draft if you're trying to play with the big boys. |
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GSPODS
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Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| VetSkinsFan wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | yupchagee wrote: | GSPODS wrote:
| Quote: | | The experts would lead us to believe we have the second coming of Jerry Rice, Art Monk and Steve Largent in this draft. |
The experts I've read say this WR class is just average at best. |
I would agree with that analysis. That is why I've been stating repeatedly that the Redskins should pursue a trade for a top-tier wide receiver rather than filling the void through the draft. If no one is being dangled, the Redskins have both the draft picks and the cash to entice another team. And the other roster needs can still be filled through the draft. The team does have a large number of draft selections this season. |
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole salary cap/economics of the NFL, but $8m isn't all that much to play with in FA and the draft if you're trying to play with the big boys. |
My understanding is that although the Skins have around $8 Million in cap space, $5 Million of that is "reserved" for draft signings and player signings during the season. So, in essence, that leaves around $3 Million to play with for cap purposes.
The key is not the number itself, however. The key is which parts of a player's salary and various bonuses count against the cap number. The Redskins are notoriously good at having minimum numbers counting against the current year's cap by "backloading" contracts. The problem with backloading contracts is that eventually the contract has to be restructured, i.e. Chris Samuels, or the player has to be released prior to a massive cap hit. In that case, it almost always leaves the Redskins with a "dead cap" hit, which is what they appear to be trying to avoid.
It is all about how the contract is structured.
THN's resident "Capologist", 1NIKSDER, is far more knowlegeable about the specifics than I am. Perhaps he will pop in and weigh in on this question. |
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PulpExposure
Pushing Paper
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
Posts: 4461
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | My understanding is that although the Skins have around $8 Million in cap space, $5 Million of that is "reserved" for draft signings and player signings during the season. So, in essence, that leaves around $3 Million to play with for cap purposes. |
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| Quote: | | Because the Redskins are about $8 million under the salary cap (they also have set aside about $5 million combined to sign their draft picks and players during the season), their lack of activity has raised eyebrows, considering Washington has been among the most aggressive teams. |
It sounds like it's not the 5 is part of the 8, but separate from it. |
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PeetyPa
swine
Joined: 12 Feb 2008
Posts: 53
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Bottom line is that we are going to trade anything. It is ovious that we are just gonna sign our draft picks. I would like that and then save some cap space for next year. We need to change the way we look at the free agency period. I like the Seattle aproach, hopefully Zorn can bring a little of that to DC. Dont take me wrong, I still want Snyder to be aggresive. |
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SKINFAN
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Joined: 22 May 2006
Posts: 1672
Location: Sterling, Virginia
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Is everyone here going to be home watching the draft or is there a draft party at a bar somewhere? I just think it's be fun to have a "Beer-Pool" on the 1st round Pick, blocks for positions maybe... |
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