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GSPODS
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | Do you trust Vinny "What in the hell is a draft pick?" Cerrato to draft the player with the most potential? I don't. |
Yes, I do. I recent years, he's made some solid draft choices, a few in the early rounds and a few in the late rounds. Landry, Taylor, McIntosh, Doughty Blades, Motgomery, Golston, Campbell, Betts, Cartwright, Rogers, Cooley... all been pretty damn good picks. Sure, some didn't make the team, but not all draft picks ever do make a squad for any team. I have faith he'll get a few more this year as well. |
I think you're giving Cerrato credit where credit isn't due. While Cerrato has been the VP / GM for all of the draft selections you've listed, I don't believe for a minute that he was responsible for any of the picks. I'd bet the house and the farm that all of these players were chosen by the coaching staff and the scouting team.
While the Skins have ended up with some good, and even some exceptional talent with Cerrato in office, it seems more likely from history that he would be responsible for the over-priced free agents than for the draft selections. I'm not even convinced Cerrato will have anything to do with the draft selections this season either. Zorn is the best qualified person to know what he has and what he needs to run his offense. He is also the best qualified person to say to "The Danny", I need X,Y,Z players from this draft. Make it so. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| While Cerrato may not have been completely responsible for every pick, Vinny did head up the scouting department. And in doing so, it would be completely inaccurate to suggest he had nothing to do with those choices. Vinny and his staff were the one that prepared hundreds of reports and evaluations for those players. Sure, he may not have had the final say, but he was heavily involved. Now, Vinny is effectively the GM. To further suggest he is in no way involved is ignorant. Like him, don't like him, whatever. The coaches aren't the ones that produce those reports, they aren't the ones that scout colleges and they don't review hundreds and thousands of hours of film. |
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GSPODS
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | his staff were the one that prepared hundreds of reports and evaluations for those players. |
I'll agree with this part of the post. I still think Cerrato is far too busy with the, "Yes, Mr. Snyder, Sir. You're a genius, Mr. Snyder, Sir. Would you like me to wash your schlong for you, Mr. Snyder, Sir?" to do anything other than delegate responsibilities to other people.
I'd like nothing more than to be wrong about this, because Cerrato isn't going anywhere so long as The Danny owns this franchise. And, if Cerrato proves me wrong between now and the draft, I'll be the first person to admit it. |
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yupchagee
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| VetSkinsFan wrote: | | SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | Do you trust Vinny "What in the hell is a draft pick?" Cerrato to draft the player with the most potential? I don't. |
Yes, I do. I recent years, he's made some solid draft choices, a few in the early rounds and a few in the late rounds. Landry, Taylor, McIntosh, Doughty Blades, Motgomery, Golston, Campbell, Betts, Cartwright, Rogers, Cooley... all been pretty damn good picks. Sure, some didn't make the team, but not all draft picks ever do make a squad for any team. I have faith he'll get a few more this year as well. |
Landry, Taylor, McIntosh, Betts, Cartwright, Rogers, Cooley:
These I'll agree with for the most part. I don't think I would have drafted Rocky due to his knee problems he had in college. We won't get near the shelf life that we'll get out of a normal LB I don't think, but since we have him, I'm pulling for a miracle on the toughness of his knees.
Doughty, Blades, Motgomery, Golston, Campbell:
These guys haven't really proven anything yet. I'm a huge Doughty fan but he still hasn't convinced me 100% that he's a lock yet. I definitely want him to get his shot, but there's always room for improvement (I'm still puling for him, though!!!). JC hasn't proved that he's a lock. Blades looks good so far, but until he gets in there as a starter, then he's not a definite either. Montgomery/Golston are improving and I hope they prove me wrong, but if they were that good, we wouldn't have the D-Line woes that we have now. |
I'm not sure Rogers has played up to a top 10 pick (solid starter, yes, top 10 pick, no) Doughty, Blades & Golston were 6th rnd picks & Montgomery was a 5th round pick. They are all playing at or above that level. |
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SkinsFreak
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| They all were solid draft picks that have contributed for this team, that's all I was saying in response to GSPODS position that Vinny and the Skins can't and don't draft talent. I think they've grabbed some good ones in recent years, that's all I'm trying to say, not that all are future Pro Bowlers or HOF'ers. |
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GSPODS
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | They all were solid draft picks that have contributed for this team, that's all I was saying in response to GSPODS position that Vinny and the Skins can't and don't draft talent. I think they've grabbed some good ones in recent years, that's all I'm trying to say, not that all are future Pro Bowlers or HOF'ers. |
The Redskins have drafted some good players, and potentially some great players. They drafted at least one future Hall Of Famer. I can't argue the talent level of the players you've named. What I am arguing is that Vinny Cerrato had anything to do with actually scouting and targeting any of these draft picks himself. I don't think Cerrato would recognize football talent if he was run over by it. |
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GSPODS
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock reports that both of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly's knees "are of such concern" that he may be removed from some teams' draft boards in April.
Kelly got hurt in both the Sooners' bowl games the past two years. He hasn't participated in any pre-draft events. Kelly plans to run privately on April 9. Mayock hints that there is a good chance Kelly, the No. 1 receiver in the draft according to some internet services, will go in round two. Mar. 24 - 6:59 pm et
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CanesSkins26
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| GSPODS wrote: | NFL Network's Mike Mayock reports that both of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly's knees "are of such concern" that he may be removed from some teams' draft boards in April.
Kelly got hurt in both the Sooners' bowl games the past two years. He hasn't participated in any pre-draft events. Kelly plans to run privately on April 9. Mayock hints that there is a good chance Kelly, the No. 1 receiver in the draft according to some internet services, will go in round two. Mar. 24 - 6:59 pm et
www.rotoworld.com |
I'd read some stuff about his knees being a potential question mark, but they must really be bad if the rotoworld report is accurate. Hopefully Sweed will still be on the board when we draft in the first. |
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GSPODS
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | NFL Network's Mike Mayock reports that both of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly's knees "are of such concern" that he may be removed from some teams' draft boards in April.
Kelly got hurt in both the Sooners' bowl games the past two years. He hasn't participated in any pre-draft events. Kelly plans to run privately on April 9. Mayock hints that there is a good chance Kelly, the No. 1 receiver in the draft according to some internet services, will go in round two. Mar. 24 - 6:59 pm et
www.rotoworld.com |
I'd read some stuff about his knees being a potential question mark, but they must really be bad if the rotoworld report is accurate. Hopefully Sweed will still be on the board when we draft in the first. |
I've got a feeling Sweed will be wearing Bills colors. I'd still be taking a hard look at Kelly if I were the Redskins front office. It's hard to find any player in the NFL without a recurring problem of some kind. I think it was Brett Favre who said he hadn't been at 100% in fifteen years. |
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SkinsFreak
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | NFL Network's Mike Mayock reports that both of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly's knees "are of such concern" that he may be removed from some teams' draft boards in April.
Kelly got hurt in both the Sooners' bowl games the past two years. He hasn't participated in any pre-draft events. Kelly plans to run privately on April 9. Mayock hints that there is a good chance Kelly, the No. 1 receiver in the draft according to some internet services, will go in round two. Mar. 24 - 6:59 pm et
www.rotoworld.com |
I'd read some stuff about his knees being a potential question mark, but they must really be bad if the rotoworld report is accurate. Hopefully Sweed will still be on the board when we draft in the first. |
I seen several reports about Kelly now. Most are speculating that his former knee problems "might" be a concern. Some scouts have said Kelly isn't doing himself any favors by not working out. He does have April 9th scheduled for his workout. As Mayock said, I believe some are concerned just because he hasn't worked out yet. If Kelly has a solid performance at his workout, Like Devin Thomas did, he'll be high on every draft board again. You can bet that doctors from the teams interested will look him over pretty good. |
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yupchagee
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From NFL.com.
» WR Marcus Monk (6-4¼, 215): Ran the 40 in 4.43 and 4.41, had a 36-inch vertical jump, 10-foot 2-inch long jump, ran position drills and kept his numbers from the combine for everything else.
At his pro day. That should shoot him up a lot of draft boards. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Quote: | Agent says Kelly's thigh, knee injuries pose no problems
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The agent for Oklahoma wide receiver Malcolm Kelly is trying to reassure NFL teams that his client is completely healed from a thigh injury and has no lingering knee problems.
Agent Chad Speck sent a letter to all 32 NFL teams Monday, along with a letter from the doctor who has been treating Kelly, to let them know that the receiver projected as a possible first-round draft pick is healthy.
The injury first was diagnosed as a deep thigh bruise, but Kelly actually had a small quadriceps tear. The agent also pointed out that Dr. Michael Hatrak of Alpharetta, Ga., also found "all other structures assessed within normal limits." Kelly tore an ACL in junior high and had arthroscopic knee surgery during his sophomore year at Oklahoma.
"The intent of the letter is certainly to end speculation on Malcolm's health status," Speck said. "He is 100 percent healthy and as Dr. Hatrak states, has no further risk of injury."
Hatrak diagnosed Kelly with the "slight quadriceps tear" on Feb. 14, and cleared the receiver for full training March 20. Kelly did not work out at the combine in February or at Oklahoma's first Pro Day.
"The rumors that are currently circulating regarding his knees are irresponsible and untrue!" Speck wrote to NFL general managers and scouts.
Speck said Kelly, who declared for the draft after his junior season, will take part in every drill at Oklahoma's next pro day on April 9.
The Longview, Texas, native was Oklahoma's second-leading receiver last year with 49 receptions for 821 yards and nine touchdowns. He had 62 catches for 992 yards and 10 touchdowns as a sophomore, and his 21 career TD catches rank second all-time at Oklahoma behind Mark Clayton.
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press |
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3322914 |
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yupchagee
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | Agent says Kelly's thigh, knee injuries pose no problems
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The agent for Oklahoma wide receiver Malcolm Kelly is trying to reassure NFL teams that his client is completely healed from a thigh injury and has no lingering knee problems.
Agent Chad Speck sent a letter to all 32 NFL teams Monday, along with a letter from the doctor who has been treating Kelly, to let them know that the receiver projected as a possible first-round draft pick is healthy.
The injury first was diagnosed as a deep thigh bruise, but Kelly actually had a small quadriceps tear. The agent also pointed out that Dr. Michael Hatrak of Alpharetta, Ga., also found "all other structures assessed within normal limits." Kelly tore an ACL in junior high and had arthroscopic knee surgery during his sophomore year at Oklahoma.
"The intent of the letter is certainly to end speculation on Malcolm's health status," Speck said. "He is 100 percent healthy and as Dr. Hatrak states, has no further risk of injury."
Hatrak diagnosed Kelly with the "slight quadriceps tear" on Feb. 14, and cleared the receiver for full training March 20. Kelly did not work out at the combine in February or at Oklahoma's first Pro Day.
"The rumors that are currently circulating regarding his knees are irresponsible and untrue!" Speck wrote to NFL general managers and scouts.
Speck said Kelly, who declared for the draft after his junior season, will take part in every drill at Oklahoma's next pro day on April 9.
The Longview, Texas, native was Oklahoma's second-leading receiver last year with 49 receptions for 821 yards and nine touchdowns. He had 62 catches for 992 yards and 10 touchdowns as a sophomore, and his 21 career TD catches rank second all-time at Oklahoma behind Mark Clayton.
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press |
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3322914 |
What else would his agent say? |
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CanesSkins26
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| yupchagee wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | Agent says Kelly's thigh, knee injuries pose no problems
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The agent for Oklahoma wide receiver Malcolm Kelly is trying to reassure NFL teams that his client is completely healed from a thigh injury and has no lingering knee problems.
Agent Chad Speck sent a letter to all 32 NFL teams Monday, along with a letter from the doctor who has been treating Kelly, to let them know that the receiver projected as a possible first-round draft pick is healthy.
The injury first was diagnosed as a deep thigh bruise, but Kelly actually had a small quadriceps tear. The agent also pointed out that Dr. Michael Hatrak of Alpharetta, Ga., also found "all other structures assessed within normal limits." Kelly tore an ACL in junior high and had arthroscopic knee surgery during his sophomore year at Oklahoma.
"The intent of the letter is certainly to end speculation on Malcolm's health status," Speck said. "He is 100 percent healthy and as Dr. Hatrak states, has no further risk of injury."
Hatrak diagnosed Kelly with the "slight quadriceps tear" on Feb. 14, and cleared the receiver for full training March 20. Kelly did not work out at the combine in February or at Oklahoma's first Pro Day.
"The rumors that are currently circulating regarding his knees are irresponsible and untrue!" Speck wrote to NFL general managers and scouts.
Speck said Kelly, who declared for the draft after his junior season, will take part in every drill at Oklahoma's next pro day on April 9.
The Longview, Texas, native was Oklahoma's second-leading receiver last year with 49 receptions for 821 yards and nine touchdowns. He had 62 catches for 992 yards and 10 touchdowns as a sophomore, and his 21 career TD catches rank second all-time at Oklahoma behind Mark Clayton.
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press |
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3322914 |
What else would his agent say? |
Well Kelly is going to work out for teams and I'm sure that his medical records are going to be very closely scrutinized by teams interested in him, so I highly doubt that his agent would be drawing further attention to his health concerns if there was any tangible evidence out there showing that Kelly has a serious injury. Putting out a statement and sending out letters to all the NFL teams also creates expectations for Kelly's April 9th workout so they likely wouldn't be doing this unless they are confident that he will be able to perform at a high level. |
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SkinsFreak
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Putting out a statement and sending out letters to all the NFL teams also creates expectations for Kelly's April 9th workout so they likely wouldn't be doing this unless they are confident that he will be able to perform at a high level. |
I agree, Canes. I just think most of his injury has been blown out of proportion. I could be wrong, but we'll all find out come April 9th. Like you said, an agent wouldn't blow a bunch of smoke when he knows teams employ top doctors in the industry to make evaluations. All that aside, is performance at the pro day should speak volumes. |
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