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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure if this has been posted already, but in his latest mock, McShay has us taking Jordy Nelson (wr) from Kansas St. in the 2nd round.
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Jordy Nelson
WR | (6'2", 217, 4.509) | KANSAS STATE
Scouts Grade: 78
Strengths: Is a big, strong receiver. Big target with extremely reliable hands. Consistently catches the ball thrown over his head, can pluck on the run effortlessly and does a great job of securing the ball in traffic. Not afraid to go over the middle. He has functional speed for his size. Most impressive is his ability to get in and out of breaks so quickly, especially for a bigger receiver. Displayed much better initial quickness and burst as a senior than he had in previous seasons. He runs crisp routes. Converted high school quarterback, shows a great feel for running routes, finding soft spots in zone and coming back to his quarterbacks when initial play has broken down. Very tough, competitive runner after the catch. Also shows excellent vision to navigate through traffic both after the catch and in the return game. Will lower his shoulder and drag smaller DB's for extra few yards at the end of the play. Continues to improve with experience. High character player and hard worker.
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal top-end speed. Is not going to consistently get over the top of man-coverage as a vertical route runner. Runs hard and shows good vision but not overly elusive and doesn't display the second-gear necessary to run away from NFL defenders. Needs to improve technique and overall consistency as a blocker.
Overall: Nelson redshirted in 2003 and didn't see any action as a defensive back in 2004. He moved to wide receiver in 2005, appearing in 24 games (20 starts) over his sophomore and junior seasons (2005-'06). He had 84 receptions for 1,216 yards (14.5 average) and nine touchdowns during that span. Nelson was slowed by a knee injury in '06 but wouldn't sit out any games. Nelson was sensational as a senior, delivering 10.2 receptions for 133.4 receiving yards per game (both second in the nation) and 155.3 all-purpose yards per game (20th). His 2007 totals: 122 catches for 1,606 yards and 11 touchdowns; five punt returns for 264 yards (52.8 average) and two scores; and two passing TDs (on four attempts) for 45 yards. Nelson capped off a ridiculously productive senior season with a strong showing at the Senior Bowl. While he lacks elite speed and athleticism, Nelson is quicker than people seem to think and he simply knows how to separate and make plays. He will likely slip to the third round of the upcoming draft but it wouldn't shock us if Nelson spends 10-plus productive seasons in the NFL as a possession No. 2 or No. 3 receiver. |
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11983
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | Not so fast...
| Quote: | NFL | M. Kelly unhappy with school
Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:02:31 -0700
Jake Trotter, of The Oklahoman, reports University of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly is unhappy with his school after his Pro Day performance Wednesday, April 9. Kelly said he was not told that the location of the Pro Day had been moved from Astroturf to Field turf until this morning. He claims he had been preparing for a month to run on Astroturf and was running the 40-yard dash in under 4.50 seconds. Kelly ran the 40-yard dash on field turf Wednesday, April 9, in 4.68 seconds. |
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Sounds like an excuse. Kelly is aware they still use natural grass in several NFL stadiums, I hope. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | Not so fast...
| Quote: | NFL | M. Kelly unhappy with school
Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:02:31 -0700
Jake Trotter, of The Oklahoman, reports University of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly is unhappy with his school after his Pro Day performance Wednesday, April 9. Kelly said he was not told that the location of the Pro Day had been moved from Astroturf to Field turf until this morning. He claims he had been preparing for a month to run on Astroturf and was running the 40-yard dash in under 4.50 seconds. Kelly ran the 40-yard dash on field turf Wednesday, April 9, in 4.68 seconds. |
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl |
Sounds like an excuse. Kelly is aware they still use natural grass in several NFL stadiums, I hope. |
True, but it has to be tough to transition from one surface to another when you've been training in preparation for a particular surface. Also, the combine is run on Astroturf, so it's not really fair to compare Kelly's time on Field Turf to what other players do on Astroturf. The Bengals, who pick 9th, are still flying him in for a private workout tomorrow, so it doesn't appear as if NFL teams are too concerned with this time.
| Quote: | | "I had everything set up for where I wanted to do it at," Kelly said. "I get up here this morning and it's a whole different deal. This is my life. It's got to do with me and my family. This is what I do, play football, and I'm supposed to run as fast as I can. I was slipping all over the place during my drill work. I can't say I'm pleased with anything today." |
| Quote: | | "People want to say surface is surface, but it's a lot more to it than that," Kelly said. "You have to think about how much ground time you have running on this mushy surface here and how much ground time you have on Astroturf. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | True, but it has to be tough to transition from one surface to another when you've been training in preparation for a particular surface. Also, the combine is run on Astroturf, so it's not really fair to compare Kelly's time on Field Turf to what other players do on Astroturf. The Bengals, who pick 9th, are still flying him in for a private workout tomorrow, so it doesn't appear as if NFL teams are too concerned with this time. |
What I'm not buying is that Kelly is claiming a full 2/10ths difference between astroturf and field turf. 2/10ths is the difference between Darrell Green (4.2s) and John Riggins (4.4s). That's one hell of a difference. I don't think anyone is looking at Kelly for his speed in any case but I don't think he's helping himself by making excuses, even if he thinks he has a legitimate reason to make them. Nobody likes a whiner, except the Cowboys (See T.O.) |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | True, but it has to be tough to transition from one surface to another when you've been training in preparation for a particular surface. Also, the combine is run on Astroturf, so it's not really fair to compare Kelly's time on Field Turf to what other players do on Astroturf. The Bengals, who pick 9th, are still flying him in for a private workout tomorrow, so it doesn't appear as if NFL teams are too concerned with this time.
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Maybe they are looking at him in the 2nd round. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Redskins | Team showing strong interest in M. Kelly
Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:49:46 -0700
John Murphy, Yahoo! Sports, reports the Washington Redskins are showing strong interest in University of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly. |
http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | Redskins | Team showing strong interest in M. Kelly
Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:49:46 -0700
John Murphy, Yahoo! Sports, reports the Washington Redskins are showing strong interest in University of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly. |
http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl |
In my opinion, if I was making the decision, his pro day results would not stop me from drafting him. He only had 3 weeks to prepare after a muscle tear. His game tape from college speaks for itself. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | Redskins | Team showing strong interest in M. Kelly
Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:49:46 -0700
John Murphy, Yahoo! Sports, reports the Washington Redskins are showing strong interest in University of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly. |
http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl |
In my opinion, if I was making the decision, his pro day results would not stop me from drafting him. He only had 3 weeks to prepare after a muscle tear. His game tape from college speaks for itself. |
I would say that depends on how the Redskins would draft Kelly. At pick #21, I would probably take the gamble because if Kelly is still around at #21 it would mean that several other prospects I was considering are off the board. I can't say that I would trade up to draft Kelly or any other wide receiver. The question is: Would Vinny Cerrato? Methinks he would if he thought Kelly was more valuable to the Redskins than anyone else on the Skins draft board. I still think the Skins have more pressing needs than a wide receiver but what do I know about being a GM? Nada. |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I agree GSPODS but I think that IF the Redskins pick at #21 they will take the best player that they have rated to be able to play and help the Redskins.
If Cerrato's group have the ability to find gems all through this draft which a lot of people are trying to suggest they do, then I don't care who the guy is as long as he is able to prove that he can help our team over the next few months.
If we have 5 or 6 players from this draft make the squad and 2 or 3 are starters or really good back-ups then I will say Cerrato is very good at this - otherwise I will say that we still need a GM that knows what he is doing - I think you know where I stand on that 
Listen, I don't think that this is a great draft OR that we are just a couple of players away from being super good BUT with this draft and next year's draft, we really should be super good  |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| SkinsJock wrote: | I agree GSPODS but I think that IF the Redskins pick at #21 they will take the best player that they have rated to be able to play and help the Redskins.
If Cerrato's group have the ability to find gems all through this draft which a lot of people are trying to suggest they do, then I don't care who the guy is as long as he is able to prove that he can help our team over the next few months.
If we have 5 or 6 players from this draft make the squad and 2 or 3 are starters or really good back-ups then I will say Cerrato is very good at this - otherwise I will say that we still need a GM that knows what he is doing - I think you know where I stand on that
Listen, I don't think that this is a great draft OR that we are just a couple of players away from being super good BUT with this draft and next year's draft, we really should be super good |
My jury is still out on Vinny Cerrato as a GM. I think I expect a 50% success rate with this draft, meaning 50% of the players drafted make the roster, or I will consider the failure to act at all in free agency another front office faux pas. I want five draft selections who contribute on gameday as starters, backups, or special teams players. Anything less with nine draft selections and I'll be found building a gallows for Vinny outside the doors of Redskins Park. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | SkinsJock wrote: | I agree GSPODS but I think that IF the Redskins pick at #21 they will take the best player that they have rated to be able to play and help the Redskins.
If Cerrato's group have the ability to find gems all through this draft which a lot of people are trying to suggest they do, then I don't care who the guy is as long as he is able to prove that he can help our team over the next few months.
If we have 5 or 6 players from this draft make the squad and 2 or 3 are starters or really good back-ups then I will say Cerrato is very good at this - otherwise I will say that we still need a GM that knows what he is doing - I think you know where I stand on that
Listen, I don't think that this is a great draft OR that we are just a couple of players away from being super good BUT with this draft and next year's draft, we really should be super good |
My jury is still out on Vinny Cerrato as a GM. I think I expect a 50% success rate with this draft, meaning 50% of the players drafted make the roster, or I will consider the failure to act at all in free agency another front office faux pas. I want five draft selections who contribute on gameday as starters, backups, or special teams players. Anything less with nine draft selections and I'll be found building a gallows for Vinny outside the doors of Redskins Park. |
So, with your logic, since the Pats drafted nine players last year and only one of them made the final roster, does that mean Scott Pioli sucks? Teams rarely sign all their draft picks. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | SkinsJock wrote: | I agree GSPODS but I think that IF the Redskins pick at #21 they will take the best player that they have rated to be able to play and help the Redskins.
If Cerrato's group have the ability to find gems all through this draft which a lot of people are trying to suggest they do, then I don't care who the guy is as long as he is able to prove that he can help our team over the next few months.
If we have 5 or 6 players from this draft make the squad and 2 or 3 are starters or really good back-ups then I will say Cerrato is very good at this - otherwise I will say that we still need a GM that knows what he is doing - I think you know where I stand on that
Listen, I don't think that this is a great draft OR that we are just a couple of players away from being super good BUT with this draft and next year's draft, we really should be super good |
My jury is still out on Vinny Cerrato as a GM. I think I expect a 50% success rate with this draft, meaning 50% of the players drafted make the roster, or I will consider the failure to act at all in free agency another front office faux pas. I want five draft selections who contribute on gameday as starters, backups, or special teams players. Anything less with nine draft selections and I'll be found building a gallows for Vinny outside the doors of Redskins Park. |
So, with your logic, since the Pats drafted nine players last year and only one of them made the final roster, does that mean Scott Pioli sucks? Teams rarely sign all their draft picks. |
The Patriots clearly didn't need to sign nine draft picks, or even five draft picks to their roster last season. They had the roster to win. And BillICheat wasn't going to cut his beloved veterans for draft picks in any case. Does Scott Pioli suck? Given the ages of many of the Patriots defensive players, the loss of their best defensive player to free agency, and the inability to keep their offensive line intact, and the fact that the Patriots have no one of note waiting to fill the roster holes, I would say that Pioli won't look too good in the next season or two.
As far as signing draft picks is concerned, teams also rarely have the number of first, second and third round picks the Redskins have this year. If half of the picks were fifth, sixth and seventh rounders, I would have lower expectations. The Redskins have done nothing in free agency. And I mean nothing. I don't care about big names and big contracts. But since they sat on their thumbs in free agency, they now have to have a productive draft this year and probably for the next few years. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | Redskins | Team showing strong interest in M. Kelly
Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:49:46 -0700
John Murphy, Yahoo! Sports, reports the Washington Redskins are showing strong interest in University of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly. |
http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl |
In my opinion, if I was making the decision, his pro day results would not stop me from drafting him. He only had 3 weeks to prepare after a muscle tear. His game tape from college speaks for itself. |
I agree. I've seen enough of Kelly's games at Oklahoma that I don't really put any stock into the 40 time that he ran at the pro day. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Kelly is meeting with the Skins next week. He's also stated that he's willing to run the 40 again for teams if they want him to.
| Quote: | Redskins | Team to meet with M. Kelly
Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:43:05 -0700
KFFL has learned that Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly will meet with the Washington Redskins next week.
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| Quote: | NFL | M. Kelly willing to run for teams
Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:47:09 -0700
KFFL has learned that Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly currently has no private workouts scheduled with NFL teams, but he is willing to run again if any team wishes to see him do so again. |
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl |
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PeetyPa
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I personally would not take Kelly in the first round. He might be still be there in the second. I would take a chance and wait. His pro-day was disapointing and there is noone else to blame but him. |
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