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CanesSkins26
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| PeetyPa wrote: | | I personally would not take Kelly in the first round. He might be still be there in the second. I would take a chance and wait. His pro-day was disapointing and there is noone else to blame but him. |
I think you're wrong. Oklahoma really screwed him over by changing the surface on him at the last minute. Preparing for one surface and then being switched to another can have a major impact. And besides, there is no way that he is available when we pick in the second. |
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PulpExposure
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | And besides, there is no way that he is available when we pick in the second. |
Agreed. Even though his pro-day showing wasn't great, he probably won't even be available when we draft in the first... |
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CanesSkins26
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| Quote: | NFL | Kelly to have workout April 16
Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:44:40 -0700
David Smoak, of KTBB Radio, in Tyler, Texas, reports Chad Speck, the agent for Oklahoma University WR Malcolm Kelly, confirmed Kelly will be back in Norman, Okla., for a follow-up workout on the campus of Oklahoma University Wednesday, April 16. Kelly will be running on the Astroturf surface he has been training on, a few yards away from the FieldTurf he ran on earlier this week. |
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SkinsFreak
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| GSPODS wrote: | | SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | SkinsJock wrote: | I agree GSPODS but I think that IF the Redskins pick at #21 they will take the best player that they have rated to be able to play and help the Redskins.
If Cerrato's group have the ability to find gems all through this draft which a lot of people are trying to suggest they do, then I don't care who the guy is as long as he is able to prove that he can help our team over the next few months.
If we have 5 or 6 players from this draft make the squad and 2 or 3 are starters or really good back-ups then I will say Cerrato is very good at this - otherwise I will say that we still need a GM that knows what he is doing - I think you know where I stand on that 
Listen, I don't think that this is a great draft OR that we are just a couple of players away from being super good BUT with this draft and next year's draft, we really should be super good  |
My jury is still out on Vinny Cerrato as a GM. I think I expect a 50% success rate with this draft, meaning 50% of the players drafted make the roster, or I will consider the failure to act at all in free agency another front office faux pas. I want five draft selections who contribute on gameday as starters, backups, or special teams players. Anything less with nine draft selections and I'll be found building a gallows for Vinny outside the doors of Redskins Park. |
So, with your logic, since the Pats drafted nine players last year and only one of them made the final roster, does that mean Scott Pioli sucks? Teams rarely sign all their draft picks. |
The Patriots clearly didn't need to sign nine draft picks, or even five draft picks to their roster last season. They had the roster to win. And BillICheat wasn't going to cut his beloved veterans for draft picks in any case. Does Scott Pioli suck? Given the ages of many of the Patriots defensive players, the loss of their best defensive player to free agency, and the inability to keep their offensive line intact, and the fact that the Patriots have no one of note waiting to fill the roster holes, I would say that Pioli won't look too good in the next season or two.
As far as signing draft picks is concerned, teams also rarely have the number of first, second and third round picks the Redskins have this year. If half of the picks were fifth, sixth and seventh rounders, I would have lower expectations. The Redskins have done nothing in free agency. And I mean nothing. I don't care about big names and big contracts. But since they sat on their thumbs in free agency, they now have to have a productive draft this year and probably for the next few years. |
Oh, yeah, right...  If the Pats didn't need anyone last year, why didn't they trade all their picks for one or two superstars?
That makes no sense at all. First you say...
| GSPODS wrote: | | The Patriots clearly didn't need to sign nine draft picks, or even five draft picks to their roster last season. |
Then you follow that up with...
| GSPODS wrote: | | Given the ages of many of the Patriots defensive players, <snip> and the inability to keep their offensive line intact, and the fact that the Patriots have no one of note waiting to fill the roster holes, I would say that Pioli won't look too good in the next season or two. |
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SkinsFreak
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John Riggins thinks it will be Limas Sweed.
Also, Zorn and the organization have identified DB as an area of need. Put Riggins on that list as well, as he mentions that in this video. I agree a WR should betaken in the 1st, but don't be surprised if a DB is taken on the first day. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Redskins On The Clock from the NFLN. This originally aired on March 19th. |
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SkinsJock
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Again - I do not see this as being a big worry - I would assume the Redskins have an idea of who they like at their positions of need - IF that player is available and they cannot trade down for more picks then I would assume they will take that player.
No matter what they do with the 21st pick they have certain areas of concern that they need to address this year and then through try and add the players the need through the FAs avaiable or through adding players cut by other teams that might provide some depth.
The 21st player is not going to make or break this team. The combination of selecting about 5+ players (from the 9 draft picks) making the team and also making the team younger is what's important.
This is not going to be that big a deal this year - we will need to get much stronger through next year's draft in my opinion to be the type of team that can dominate the NFC East.
It is not going to be that sort of team this year - this team needs a full year and 2 drafts to get itself to be one of the top teams in the NFC. I look for us to be a playoff team but not a dominant team this year - that is also providing Cerrato has the sort of successful draft that a lot of people are expecting him to have.
Personally I hope he screws it up just like he has before and we get ourselves a decent GM BUT that is just wishful thinking. |
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | SkinsJock wrote: | I agree GSPODS but I think that IF the Redskins pick at #21 they will take the best player that they have rated to be able to play and help the Redskins.
If Cerrato's group have the ability to find gems all through this draft which a lot of people are trying to suggest they do, then I don't care who the guy is as long as he is able to prove that he can help our team over the next few months.
If we have 5 or 6 players from this draft make the squad and 2 or 3 are starters or really good back-ups then I will say Cerrato is very good at this - otherwise I will say that we still need a GM that knows what he is doing - I think you know where I stand on that
Listen, I don't think that this is a great draft OR that we are just a couple of players away from being super good BUT with this draft and next year's draft, we really should be super good |
My jury is still out on Vinny Cerrato as a GM. I think I expect a 50% success rate with this draft, meaning 50% of the players drafted make the roster, or I will consider the failure to act at all in free agency another front office faux pas. I want five draft selections who contribute on gameday as starters, backups, or special teams players. Anything less with nine draft selections and I'll be found building a gallows for Vinny outside the doors of Redskins Park. |
So, with your logic, since the Pats drafted nine players last year and only one of them made the final roster, does that mean Scott Pioli sucks? Teams rarely sign all their draft picks. |
The Patriots clearly didn't need to sign nine draft picks, or even five draft picks to their roster last season. They had the roster to win. And BillICheat wasn't going to cut his beloved veterans for draft picks in any case. Does Scott Pioli suck? Given the ages of many of the Patriots defensive players, the loss of their best defensive player to free agency, and the inability to keep their offensive line intact, and the fact that the Patriots have no one of note waiting to fill the roster holes, I would say that Pioli won't look too good in the next season or two.
As far as signing draft picks is concerned, teams also rarely have the number of first, second and third round picks the Redskins have this year. If half of the picks were fifth, sixth and seventh rounders, I would have lower expectations. The Redskins have done nothing in free agency. And I mean nothing. I don't care about big names and big contracts. But since they sat on their thumbs in free agency, they now have to have a productive draft this year and probably for the next few years. |
Oh, yeah, right... If the Pats didn't need anyone last year, why didn't they trade all their picks for one or two superstars?
That makes no sense at all. First you say...
| GSPODS wrote: | | The Patriots clearly didn't need to sign nine draft picks, or even five draft picks to their roster last season. |
Then you follow that up with...
| GSPODS wrote: | | Given the ages of many of the Patriots defensive players, <snip> and the inability to keep their offensive line intact, and the fact that the Patriots have no one of note waiting to fill the roster holes, I would say that Pioli won't look too good in the next season or two. |
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Teams that win 18 games really need to overhaul their roster.
Why didn't the Patriots trade their draft picks for one or two key players?
Probably because they filled the majority of their roster with free agents.
As stated in my original post, and conveniently cut out of the quote, Bellichick likes his veterans and isn't cutting them for drafted or undrafted rookies. That doesn't mean his entire 35+ linebacking corps won't be retiring in the near future.
The conversation went from last season's draft to thoughts on Scott Pioli. Pioli had the parts in place last season to win. In a year or two, Pioli will actually have to have drafted players to fill several positions unless the Patriots plan on raiding free agency to fill roster holes. So long as the salary cap remains in place, the Patriots will have more roster holes to fill in the next year or two than the salary cap will allow to be filled by high-priced free agents.
Pioli is no draft guru. He averages two draft picks per season who make the final roster.
2007 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
4 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (Fla.)
5 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State
6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist
6 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame
6 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut State
6 209 Corey Hilliard OT Oklahoma State
7 211 Oscar Lua LB USC
7 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa
2006 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida
3 86 David Thomas TE Texas
4 106 Garrett Mills RB Tulsa
4 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis
5 136 Ryan O'Callaghan T California
6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB Florida
6 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame
6 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska
7 229 Willie Andrews CB Baylor
2005 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 133 James Sanders SAF Fresno State
5 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas
7 230 Matt Cassel QB USC
7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn
2004 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Vince Wilfork NT Miami (Fla.)
1 32 Benjamin Watson TE Georgia
2 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State
3 95 Guss Scott SAF Florida
4 113 Dexter Reid SAF North Carolina
4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
5 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State
7 233 Christian Morton CB Illinois
2003 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 13 Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
2 36 Eugene Wilson FS Illinois
2 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M
4 117 Dan Klecko DT Temple
4 120 Asante Samuel CB Central Florida
5 164 Dan Koppen C Boston College
6 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech
7 234 Spencer Nead TE Brigham Young
7 239 Tully Banta-Cain LB California
7 243 Ethan Kelley NT Baylor
2002 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado
2 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville
4 117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State
4 126 Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State
7 237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia
7 253 David Givens WR Notre Dame
2001 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia
2 48 Matt Light T Purdue
3 86 Brock Williams CB Notre Dame
4 96 Kenyatta Jones T South Florida
4 119 Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame
5 163 Hakim Akbar DB Washington
6 180 Arther Love TE South Carolina State
6 200 Leonard Myers CB Miami (Fla.)
7 216 Owen Pochman K Brigham Young
7 239 T.J. Turner LB Michigan State
2000 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii
3 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State
4 127 Greg Randall T Michigan State
5 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State
5 161 Jeff Marriott -- Missouri
6 187 Antwan Harris CB Virginia
6 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan
6 201 David Nugent DT Purdue
7 226 Casey Tisdale -- New Mexico
7 239 Patrick Pass RB Georgia
How does this relate to the Redskins? Vinny Cerrato is supposed to be among the best at drafting talent, particularly in the later rounds. If Pioli can build a winner by drafting two players a year who make the roster, then draft guru Cerrato should be able to double Pioli's success rate now that he supposedly has complete control over the draft process.
If it makes no sense to you that a team with continual success will ride its veterans as long as possible, perhaps you should review your history of the Redskins. Does anyone recall how Gibbs rode the veterans past their primes, retired, and left the organization needing a complete roster overhaul? New England is facing this situation.
Eliminate the blinder vision and the selective reading and quoting, combined with the need to argue every point, and you might find that not every opinion posted by other members (specifically by me) is entirely lacking in substantive value. |
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GSPODS
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | SkinsJock wrote: | I agree GSPODS but I think that IF the Redskins pick at #21 they will take the best player that they have rated to be able to play and help the Redskins.
If Cerrato's group have the ability to find gems all through this draft which a lot of people are trying to suggest they do, then I don't care who the guy is as long as he is able to prove that he can help our team over the next few months.
If we have 5 or 6 players from this draft make the squad and 2 or 3 are starters or really good back-ups then I will say Cerrato is very good at this - otherwise I will say that we still need a GM that knows what he is doing - I think you know where I stand on that
Listen, I don't think that this is a great draft OR that we are just a couple of players away from being super good BUT with this draft and next year's draft, we really should be super good |
My jury is still out on Vinny Cerrato as a GM. I think I expect a 50% success rate with this draft, meaning 50% of the players drafted make the roster, or I will consider the failure to act at all in free agency another front office faux pas. I want five draft selections who contribute on gameday as starters, backups, or special teams players. Anything less with nine draft selections and I'll be found building a gallows for Vinny outside the doors of Redskins Park. |
So, with your logic, since the Pats drafted nine players last year and only one of them made the final roster, does that mean Scott Pioli sucks? Teams rarely sign all their draft picks. |
The Patriots clearly didn't need to sign nine draft picks, or even five draft picks to their roster last season. They had the roster to win. And BillICheat wasn't going to cut his beloved veterans for draft picks in any case. Does Scott Pioli suck? Given the ages of many of the Patriots defensive players, the loss of their best defensive player to free agency, and the inability to keep their offensive line intact, and the fact that the Patriots have no one of note waiting to fill the roster holes, I would say that Pioli won't look too good in the next season or two.
As far as signing draft picks is concerned, teams also rarely have the number of first, second and third round picks the Redskins have this year. If half of the picks were fifth, sixth and seventh rounders, I would have lower expectations. The Redskins have done nothing in free agency. And I mean nothing. I don't care about big names and big contracts. But since they sat on their thumbs in free agency, they now have to have a productive draft this year and probably for the next few years. |
Oh, yeah, right... If the Pats didn't need anyone last year, why didn't they trade all their picks for one or two superstars?
That makes no sense at all. First you say...
| GSPODS wrote: | | The Patriots clearly didn't need to sign nine draft picks, or even five draft picks to their roster last season. |
Then you follow that up with...
| GSPODS wrote: | | Given the ages of many of the Patriots defensive players, <snip> and the inability to keep their offensive line intact, and the fact that the Patriots have no one of note waiting to fill the roster holes, I would say that Pioli won't look too good in the next season or two. |
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Teams that win 18 games really need to overhaul their roster.
Why didn't the Patriots trade their draft picks for one or two key players?
Probably because they filled the majority of their roster with free agents.
As stated in my original post, and conveniently cut out of the quote, Bellichick likes his veterans and isn't cutting them for drafted or undrafted rookies. That doesn't mean his entire 35+ linebacking corps won't be retiring in the near future.
The conversation went from last season's draft to thoughts on Scott Pioli. Pioli had the parts in place last season to win. In a year or two, Pioli will actually have to have drafted players to fill several positions unless the Patriots plan on raiding free agency to fill roster holes. So long as the salary cap remains in place, the Patriots will have more roster holes to fill in the next year or two than the salary cap will allow to be filled by high-priced free agents.
Pioli is no draft guru. He averages two draft picks per season who make the final roster.
2007 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
4 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (Fla.)
5 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State
6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist
6 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame
6 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut State
6 209 Corey Hilliard OT Oklahoma State
7 211 Oscar Lua LB USC
7 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa
2006 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida
3 86 David Thomas TE Texas
4 106 Garrett Mills RB Tulsa
4 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis
5 136 Ryan O'Callaghan T California
6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB Florida
6 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame
6 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska
7 229 Willie Andrews CB Baylor
2005 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 133 James Sanders SAF Fresno State
5 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas
7 230 Matt Cassel QB USC
7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn
2004 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Vince Wilfork NT Miami (Fla.)
1 32 Benjamin Watson TE Georgia
2 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State
3 95 Guss Scott SAF Florida
4 113 Dexter Reid SAF North Carolina
4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
5 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State
7 233 Christian Morton CB Illinois
2003 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 13 Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
2 36 Eugene Wilson FS Illinois
2 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M
4 117 Dan Klecko DT Temple
4 120 Asante Samuel CB Central Florida
5 164 Dan Koppen C Boston College
6 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech
7 234 Spencer Nead TE Brigham Young
7 239 Tully Banta-Cain LB California
7 243 Ethan Kelley NT Baylor
2002 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado
2 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville
4 117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State
4 126 Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State
7 237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia
7 253 David Givens WR Notre Dame
2001 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia
2 48 Matt Light T Purdue
3 86 Brock Williams CB Notre Dame
4 96 Kenyatta Jones T South Florida
4 119 Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame
5 163 Hakim Akbar DB Washington
6 180 Arther Love TE South Carolina State
6 200 Leonard Myers CB Miami (Fla.)
7 216 Owen Pochman K Brigham Young
7 239 T.J. Turner LB Michigan State
2000 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii
3 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State
4 127 Greg Randall T Michigan State
5 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State
5 161 Jeff Marriott -- Missouri
6 187 Antwan Harris CB Virginia
6 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan
6 201 David Nugent DT Purdue
7 226 Casey Tisdale -- New Mexico
7 239 Patrick Pass RB Georgia
How does this relate to the Redskins? Vinny Cerrato is supposed to be among the best at drafting talent, particularly in the later rounds. If Pioli can build a winner by drafting two players a year who make the roster, then draft guru Cerrato should be able to double Pioli's success rate now that he supposedly has complete control over the draft process.
If it makes no sense to you that a team with continual success will ride its veterans as long as possible, perhaps you should review your history of the Redskins. Does anyone recall how Gibbs rode the veterans past their primes, retired, and left the organization needing a complete roster overhaul? New England is facing this situation.
Eliminate the blinder vision and the selective reading and quoting, combined with the need to argue every point, and you might find that not every opinion posted by other members (specifically by me) is entirely lacking in substantive value. |
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"Word is" the Bills don't consider any receivers in this draft worthy of the No. 11 overall pick, according to the Buffalo News.
After Malcolm Kelly's poor Pro Day, Devin Thomas, DeSean Jackson, and Limas Sweed appear to be competing to be the first wideout taken. The Bills are known to be zeroing in on big wideouts. Perhaps they'll consider trading down a few spots to get Thomas (6'2) or Sweed (6'4) later in round one. |
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Part of the problem for the teams that are looking for a big wideout is that those teams that are interested do not think the players available are worth what they are most likely going to cost.
I guess in a way that is the concern for many of the teams picking in the top 20 - so many of the players available are going to have agents demanding certain salaries based on the drafted position rather than what the players are really worth. The reality is that many of them will not be worth what they are paid, ever. But that is what makes the draft such a risky way to grow your team when you need to fill holes at so many positions. We are faily lucky in a way in that we really do not have a lot of concerns and hopefully can find a bunch of players that will make the team this year.
The secret is simple - it's not finding the talented players - the secret is to find the players who do not look great coming out but who have the desire and talent to become great NFL players - this is what Cerrato and his bunch is meant to be so great at. We are about to find out. |
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But that is what makes the draft such a risky way to grow your team when you need to fill holes at so many positions.
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Free agency is at least as risky (ex Loyd, Archuleta). Every decision carries risk. That's why those who must make such decisions get paid the big bucks. |
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But that is what makes the draft such a risky way to grow your team when you need to fill holes at so many positions.
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Free agency is at least as risky (ex Loyd, Archuleta). Every decision carries risk. That's why those who must make such decisions get paid the big bucks. |
I see those as poor judgment calls. I don't like to gamble like they did with Lloyd and his attitude and Arch was KNOWN to be pathetic in coverage, and we expect our safeties to cover from time to time. |
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| SkinsJock wrote: | | .. But that is what makes the draft such a risky way to grow your team when you need to fill holes at so many positions. |
BTW - I do not think we have holes at a lot of positions - we need a few players capable of starting and a few more players for depth - the FO need to ensure that they select the college kids that can make it.
| yupchagee wrote: | | Free agency is at least as risky (ex Loyd, Archuleta). Every decision carries risk. That's why those who must make such decisions get paid the big bucks. |
and if they do not select players who make the team better they should be fired.
| VetSkinsFan wrote: | | I see those as poor judgment calls. I don't like to gamble like they did with Lloyd and his attitude and Arch was KNOWN to be pathetic in coverage, and we expect our safeties to cover from time to time. |
The free agents are less of a gamble than the draft because you have some idea what the player can do - you are really taking a gamble with the draft - that being said, we need to build through both the draft and free agency BUT if the FO brings in free agents like Lloyd and Archuletta, who obviously are not suitable for your team then that group (Cerrato and his bunch) should be fired. we shall see if that happens with the next big mistake
The point is that you need to build and maintain your team through both free agency and the draft. The real point is that IF your FO manages both who you bring in and the draft, then that team has a chance to be successful.
Recently, the Redskins have not done well at either. Well, to be fair, we have not had many drafts of 5 or more players and we have not had many drafts where we have been able to keep 5 or more of the drafted players on the team OR that of those 5 players drafted that 3 were starters or good enough to play.
This year we expect Cerrato and his bunch to find 3 very good players from the 9 we are drafting - otherwise we have continued to fail at the draft and should fire Cerrato and everyone who works for him.
We also cannot make mistakes with free agents like we have. From now on IF Cerrato and his bunch bring in a player who does not work out to be a starter and a great NFL player then Cerrato and his bunch need to be fired for not doing what they are meant to not only be good at BUT it is reportedly something that Cerrato is great at.  We have not seen that yet BUT we are informed that is about to change here
In a nutshell it is not the players fault if they come out of college and do not make it in the NFL that is the fault of the FO for not drafting players who can be very good players for our team. Likewise IF the FO brings in a free agent that does not work out here, then Cerrato and his bunch need to be fired.
Cerrato and his bunch should already be gone IMO but that is obviously not going to happen soon. HOPEFULLY he will show us that he has not lost this incredible ability that he had in San Francisco  |
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