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BnGhog
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I agree it will come down to a WR or a DE.
The question the scouting department need to look at, is who will be able to start and make a difference the quickest. So, Will Calais be able to out perform Daniels to start? or Will Hardy be able to beat the other WRs we have to start?
If they both could be starters quickly, then you have to ask which will make the bigget impact when they do start.
On one hand you have a WR that "could" drow some coverage away from Moss.
On the other hand you have a guy to generate a pass rush.
Well on the first hand a rookie WR will be looked at as a Rookie, and the coverage may not help Moss, untill he makes a name for him self. And the Rookie WR will be tested. He is going to have to be able to make those catches at all costs at first.
On the other hand a Rookie DE may not drow a double team on the line at first. Well, that would be great! And he won't have to make a name for himself to make a real impact either.
From this way of thinking, a good DE in the draft would make more of an impact on starting day. That is if he's good enought to beat out Daniels. |
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fleetus
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If all things are equal, I'd say a WR would get more snaps than a DE. Now a Dt might start, but since Balmer is the only projected 1st rd DT, who has some questionable work ethic, I would not be so high on him.
I say WR would get more snaps because ARE is really best suited to slot. A 1st round WR like Sweed, Kelley or Hardy would learn enough of the offense (hopefully) to get some reps at the #2. A DE would have to beat out a pretty solid tandem of Daniels/Carter. Daniels is strong as an ox and great against the run. He doesn't edge rush, so his sack numbers are lower, but that doesn't mean he is ineffective. People put WAY too much emphasis on sack stats. Daniels pressures and collapses the pocket, gets his hands up and forces the QB to move, creating sack opportunities for others. So a rookie DE might get some 3rd down duty but I don't think he would beat out Daniels. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Quote: | | He doesn't edge rush, so his sack numbers are lower, but that doesn't mean he is ineffective. People put WAY too much emphasis on sack stats. Daniels pressures and collapses the pocket, gets his hands up and forces the QB to move, creating sack opportunities for others. |
Sacks are overrated as a statistic, but not irrelevant. What's most, important, however, is generating a consistent pass rush and Daniels doesn't do that at all. If Daniels is as effective at collapsing the pocket as you say, how come we have one of the worst pass rushes in the NFL? Opposing qb's have all day to throw against us and it's certainly not Carter's fault. We don't get as much push as we need to from the middle of our line, but that isn't an excuse for Daniels being worthless at pressuring the quarterback. Statistics don't tell the entire story, but Daniels ranked 49th among defensive ends last season in tackles and 67th in sacks.
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fleetus
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I did say sacks are over-rated, not irrelevant, so guess we agree on that one. Well we all have our opinions. Mine is that Daniels is better than most any rookie DE we could pick, at least in the first year. Daniels is a solid veteran who knows how to play in this league. If you isolate on him the next time you watch a recorded game from last season, you will likely see many things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Like running plays constantly being redirected because he clogs up his side of the line. Playing with discipline so cut-back runners can't exploit over-pursuit, QB's being harassed by his bull rush and long arms. Just watch some games, concentrate on him and you'll see he is the most solid Dl we have on 1st and 2nd downs. Now if we could get Grif back into form and a DT next to him that could offer any pass-rush, our pass rush issues would be solved. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with both of you, we need to get a better pass rush and Daniels is probably a bit underrated. Actually, I think we're all pretty much on the same page. I believe we will be addressing both WR and DE anyway on the first day of the draft, so we should be in good shape. I've made my opinions and desires known in the past; Kelly / Sweed / Thomas in the 1st and it would be nice to grab Jackson in the 2nd.
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | I agree with both of you, we need to get a better pass rush and Daniels is probably a bit underrated. Actually, I think we're all pretty much on the same page. I believe we will be addressing both WR and DE anyway on the first day of the draft, so we should be in good shape. I've made my opinions and desires known in the past; Kelly / Sweed / Thomas in the 1st and it would be nice to grab Jackson in the 2nd.
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I'd be thrilled with anyone decent in the first (Rumors point to Branden Albert as a possibility, in addition to one of the wide receivers mentioned) and Jackson in the second. I like Jackson better than Merling or Campbell. |
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VetSkinsFan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| fleetus wrote: | | I did say sacks are over-rated, not irrelevant, so guess we agree on that one. Well we all have our opinions. Mine is that Daniels is better than most any rookie DE we could pick, at least in the first year. Daniels is a solid veteran who knows how to play in this league. If you isolate on him the next time you watch a recorded game from last season, you will likely see many things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Like running plays constantly being redirected because he clogs up his side of the line. Playing with discipline so cut-back runners can't exploit over-pursuit, QB's being harassed by his bull rush and long arms. Just watch some games, concentrate on him and you'll see he is the most solid Dl we have on 1st and 2nd downs. Now if we could get Grif back into form and a DT next to him that could offer any pass-rush, our pass rush issues would be solved. |
Daniels won't start 16 games though. He's a rotational player at best. |
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fleetus
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| He's started for the past few years, so unless you have some inside info on a Jared Allen trade in the works, I don't see Daniels losing his job to a rookie. Merling is the only guy we have a shot at that would be big enough to handle the LDE spot and one of the knocks on him is strength with only 17 bench reps. |
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VetSkinsFan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| I guess I just watch the games. He's always questionable with a sore back and he's only a 2 down end. He he's getting older, not younger. I just used common sense...... |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| fleetus wrote: | | He's started for the past few years, so unless you have some inside info on a Jared Allen trade in the works, I don't see Daniels losing his job to a rookie. Merling is the only guy we have a shot at that would be big enough to handle the LDE spot and one of the knocks on him is strength with only 17 bench reps. |
Daniels is 35. Don't be surprised if he is one of the June 1st cuts. |
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VetSkinsFan
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| GSPODS wrote: | | fleetus wrote: | | He's started for the past few years, so unless you have some inside info on a Jared Allen trade in the works, I don't see Daniels losing his job to a rookie. Merling is the only guy we have a shot at that would be big enough to handle the LDE spot and one of the knocks on him is strength with only 17 bench reps. |
Daniels is 35. Don't be surprised if he is one of the June 1st cuts. |
I DO like Daniels for a rotational player, but he's not a starter anymore. The focus from THN at least seems to be youth; why jump on a 35 deteriorating DT/DE bandwagon? |
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fleetus
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | fleetus wrote: | | He's started for the past few years, so unless you have some inside info on a Jared Allen trade in the works, I don't see Daniels losing his job to a rookie. Merling is the only guy we have a shot at that would be big enough to handle the LDE spot and one of the knocks on him is strength with only 17 bench reps. |
Daniels is 35. Don't be surprised if he is one of the June 1st cuts. |
I'd love to bet a 20 spot on that one. Easy money.  Our D. Coord was the D-line coach. Don't think he's going to let a consummate professional and team leader like Daniels go. Not to mention, he has been quoted as saying the DT position is where we need the most improvement. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| fleetus wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | fleetus wrote: | | He's started for the past few years, so unless you have some inside info on a Jared Allen trade in the works, I don't see Daniels losing his job to a rookie. Merling is the only guy we have a shot at that would be big enough to handle the LDE spot and one of the knocks on him is strength with only 17 bench reps. |
Daniels is 35. Don't be surprised if he is one of the June 1st cuts. |
I'd love to bet a 20 spot on that one. Easy money. Our D. Coord was the D-line coach. Don't think he's going to let a consummate professional and team leader like Daniels go. Not to mention, he has been quoted as saying the DT position is where we need the most improvement. |
Who would you cut? I would cut the age and the money.
Consummate professionals and team leaders Renaldo Wynn and Joe Salave'a ring a bell? Consummately and professionally released.
97 Huntley, Kevin DE 6-7 270 2 Kansas State 04-08-1982
92 Evans, Demetric DE 6-3 275 7 Georgia 09-03-1979
90 Buzbee, Alex DE 6-3 265 1 Georgetown 11-27-1985
99 Carter, Andre DE 6-4 252 7 California 05-12-1979
93 Daniels, Phillip DE 6-4 276 12 Georgia 03-04-1973
72 Davis, Tommy DE 6-2 257 1 North Carolina 10-18-1982
95 Wilson, Chris DE 6-4 240 1 Northwood University 07-10-1982
94 Montgomery, Anthony DT 6-6 315 2 Minnesota 03-08-1984
73 Boschetti, Ryan DT 6-4 311 4 UCLA 10-07-1981
79 Alexander, Lorenzo DT 6-1 300 2 California 05-31-1983
91 Askew, Matthias DT 6-5 302 2 Michigan State 07-01-1982
64 Golston, Kedric DT 6-4 320 2 Georgia 05-30-1983
96 Griffin, Cornelius DT 6-3 311 8 Alabama 12-03-1976
I'm not saying it's a given that Daniels would be cut but someone has to be cut and age and money make more sense than youth and minimums. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| fleetus wrote: | | Not to mention, he has been quoted as saying the DT position is where we need the most improvement. |
And didn't we also hear that Daniels was going to be used inside at the DT position as well on certain packages? For example, on 3rd and longs, move Daniels inside and put our speed rusher, Chris Wilson, on the edge and bolster that with Washington blitzing off the corner? I agree we will probably be adding some youth to the d-line, but I don't see Daniels getting jettisoned just yet. Also, after a year on the practice squad, and a year spent training and in the gym, I'm interested to see if Buzbee has developed. It was reported that he was fairly impressive as a rookie in camp last year. He should be better at this point. We'll see. |
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fleetus
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Jerome Simpson - 6' 1-3/4" 199Lbs. 4.47-40
This guy is on my list on the under-rated thread. Small school, but big potential. he does not have break away speed but has huge hands (11") and great leaping ability. Is a hard worker, good blocker, good hands, decent speed and size, tough player and knows how to get open. Sounds like a good Wr for Zorn and likely available in the late 2nd to 3rd round. Here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B85po3KBdY |
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