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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| VetSkinsFan wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | VetSkinsFan wrote: | | The only thing I would add to this list (well, modify, not actually change) is that we need D-LINE help. I'm not content with our tackles as well. We need someone to collapse the pocket as well as pash rush from the outside. None of our guys have developed into that DT yet. |
Assuming the Redskins do not trade away any of their draft picks, which remains an assumption until the draft is over, nine selections is enough to address every team need. Defensive tackles have relatively short careers. That could be why the Skins passed on the few available in free agency. I think any semblance of a consistent pass rush would make the entire Redskins defense look better. The Defensive tackle rotation must not be too bad, though, since the Skins did rank #4 in rushing defense.
Off on a tangent>
Others have posted to take the best player available, regardless of position. Take the best player available at a position of need. What good is Matt Ryan to the Colts? Or Darren McFadden to the Vikings? |
I agree with you, but there's a difference in pass rush and stopping the run. We need someone to collapse the pocket from the inside that will help with the D vs the pass. If the QB has all the time in the world, your team is bound to win. That's one major factor in why the Giants got the ring this year and not the Pats, Brady DIDN'T have his usual time in the pocket. |
I agree with VetSkins. We need a major upgrade at both DE and DT. A rotation of Montgomery, Griffin, and Golston is pretty mediocre and one injury away from being downright awful. We need talent and depth at DT. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| PulpExposure wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | Oh, yeah he is the guy I have been saying all along we should draft at 21 and some people said that we shouldn't waste a 1st rounder on a guard and now some see him as a top ten pick. Some teams are projecting him at OT and many teams feal he could play every position on the line. He is a rare type of guy that would fill a starting position of need for us and we would be foolish to pass him up if still available at 21. |
Well to be fair, Kiper is predicting him as the #5 pick as a Left Tackle, not a guard. |
Exactly. The only way that Albert is worthy of a high pick like that is if teams feel that he is capable of being a left tackle. He wont be taken 5th overall to play guard and at this point we have absolutely no need for a left tackle. |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| VetSkinsFan wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | VetSkinsFan wrote: | What makes you think you can back up your opinion with reserach and call it informed?!!???  |
I have no idea. It never worked for me before. You would think I would have learned my lesson about claiming to know anything about anything.
Apparently, either you know everything or you know nothing here at THN and there is no in between. Opinons are expressed and taken as fact. Facts, regardless of the volume of supporting evidence, are taken as opinion.
Maybe I just like being told I have no idea what I'm talking about. I must. I hear it from my wife at least twelve times a day. |
Only 12? You're doing pretty good then  |
I only here that once. Of course that starts the moment we wake up & doesn't end till we go to sleep.  |
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brad7686
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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[quote="GSPODS"] | skinsfan#33 wrote: |
Team Needs:
Pass Rushing Defensive End (Starter)
Phillip Daniels is 35 and well on the downside of his career.
Wide Receivers (Starter and Depth)
#2 possession receiver and #5 receiver.
Linebacker (Possible Starter and Depth)
McIntosh's knees and Washington's health. The Skins have Blades and who as backups?
Safety (Depth)
Landry and Doughty as starters is acceptable. Fox as the only backup is disconcerting.
Cornerback (Depth)
Springs is 35, Smoot is not a #1 cornerback, Rogers is on IR, Torrence doesn't read passing routes well enough to play full-time. (Inexperience)
Offensive Guard (Depth)
Thomas' Age and Health, Kendall's Age, Fabini's Age |
I agree with this except that the skins need a #1 WR really, i don't think most people on this board fathom just how bad the passing game is. Without injury, it is the weakest position we have on the field. I also tend to think OT is just as big a need as OG |
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VetSkinsFan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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[quote="brad7686"] | GSPODS wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: |
Team Needs:
Pass Rushing Defensive End (Starter)
Phillip Daniels is 35 and well on the downside of his career.
Wide Receivers (Starter and Depth)
#2 possession receiver and #5 receiver.
Linebacker (Possible Starter and Depth)
McIntosh's knees and Washington's health. The Skins have Blades and who as backups?
Safety (Depth)
Landry and Doughty as starters is acceptable. Fox as the only backup is disconcerting.
Cornerback (Depth)
Springs is 35, Smoot is not a #1 cornerback, Rogers is on IR, Torrence doesn't read passing routes well enough to play full-time. (Inexperience)
Offensive Guard (Depth)
Thomas' Age and Health, Kendall's Age, Fabini's Age |
I agree with this except that the skins need a #1 WR really, i don't think most people on this board fathom just how bad the passing game is. Without injury, it is the weakest position we have on the field. I also tend to think OT is just as big a need as OG |
I don't disagree that we need to strengthen the WR corps we have, but I don't see the draft having a significant impact on WRs immediately, whereas other areas like D-Line/O-Line it could more likely have an impact from the start. From what I've read (no links, just general consensus), the draft is deep with WR throughout. It's even a gamble to bet on picking up a receiver in the 1st round at 21.
We will lean heavily on CP once again to get the job done. Our draft is for the future and the most we can hope for is a gem in the draft (possibly in the later rounds) that can develop over the 1st year. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| I think you hope that first day picks can help you immediately. As much as we need a stud pass rushing DE, chances are that 5-6 of the top tier DE's will be gone by the 21st pick. So then the question becomes, will a lower level tier rookie DE be better than anyone we already have on the roster? Point being, if you draft for "depth" on the first day, you won't get any help immediately. Therefore, the philosophy I would follow on the first day would be to to draft positions that can help you now, not in a year or two. Drafting for depth should come in the mid to late rounds. Heck, Stephon Heyer wasn't even drafted yet he was signed for depth and actually made a solid contribution last year when we needed depth due to injury. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| GSPODS wrote: | I suppose the fact that I live near Buffalo and see all of the press conferences and interviews with Ralph Wilson and company, in addition to all of the local news and papers, in addition to the local sports, in addition to the 200+ mock drafts that all say Buffalo will take Malcolm Kelly at #11 are enough evidence to convince me that Buffalo will take a wide receiver in the first round.
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Last night on Path To The Draft on the NFLN, they interviewed the main contributor from the Bills main website. He said that WR was a major need and many like Kelly. But taking Kelly that high and paying him that kind of money would be reaching, in that, Kelly isn't worth #11 money. So they may look at a CB, as that position is better for the value that high in this years draft. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | I suppose the fact that I live near Buffalo and see all of the press conferences and interviews with Ralph Wilson and company, in addition to all of the local news and papers, in addition to the local sports, in addition to the 200+ mock drafts that all say Buffalo will take Malcolm Kelly at #11 are enough evidence to convince me that Buffalo will take a wide receiver in the first round.
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Last night on Path To The Draft on the NFLN, they interviewed the main contributor from the Bills main website. He said that WR was a major need and many like Kelly. But taking Kelly that high and paying him that kind of money would be reaching, in that, Kelly isn't worth #11 money. So they may look at a CB, as that position is better for the value that high in this years draft. |
I've heard that rumor. I've also heard that Buffalo may be looking at a receiver other than Kelly. Is there a cornerback worth #11 money? Did anyone mention a name? |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | SkinsFreak wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | I suppose the fact that I live near Buffalo and see all of the press conferences and interviews with Ralph Wilson and company, in addition to all of the local news and papers, in addition to the local sports, in addition to the 200+ mock drafts that all say Buffalo will take Malcolm Kelly at #11 are enough evidence to convince me that Buffalo will take a wide receiver in the first round.
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Last night on Path To The Draft on the NFLN, they interviewed the main contributor from the Bills main website. He said that WR was a major need and many like Kelly. But taking Kelly that high and paying him that kind of money would be reaching, in that, Kelly isn't worth #11 money. So they may look at a CB, as that position is better for the value that high in this years draft. |
I've heard that rumor. I've also heard that Buffalo may be looking at a receiver other than Kelly. Is there a cornerback worth #11 money? Did anyone mention a name? |
Yes. Many are predicting few CB's to go in the first 15 picks. For example, many think the Pat's may go after Leodis McKelvin at #7. |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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[quote="brad7686"] | GSPODS wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: |
Team Needs:
Pass Rushing Defensive End (Starter)
Phillip Daniels is 35 and well on the downside of his career.
Wide Receivers (Starter and Depth)
#2 possession receiver and #5 receiver.
Linebacker (Possible Starter and Depth)
McIntosh's knees and Washington's health. The Skins have Blades and who as backups?
Safety (Depth)
Landry and Doughty as starters is acceptable. Fox as the only backup is disconcerting.
Cornerback (Depth)
Springs is 35, Smoot is not a #1 cornerback, Rogers is on IR, Torrence doesn't read passing routes well enough to play full-time. (Inexperience)
Offensive Guard (Depth)
Thomas' Age and Health, Kendall's Age, Fabini's Age |
I agree with this except that the skins need a #1 WR really, i don't think most people on this board fathom just how bad the passing game is. Without injury, it is the weakest position we have on the field. I also tend to think OT is just as big a need as OG |
I don't see OT as a need. Samuels is a pro bowler. Jansen is pro bowl quality when healthy & Wade & Heyer are good backups. If healthy, Moss is a #1 WR. Smoot did a good job 1 on 1 against Buress in the 2nd Gnats game. I know of no reason not to expect Rogers to come back healthy, though probably not at the beginning of the season. I think concerns about Rocky are being blown out of proportion. |
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El Mexican
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As somenone pointed out before, we need DT and DE help. If you donīt get to the opposing QB youīll get burned.
Just a general appreciation here, but QBīs had a lot of time to throw the ball, especially on third down. I frequently remember the LB coming to help the pass rush, allowing for massive gains on third down, which brakes any defenseīs morale. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I know of no reason not to expect Rogers to come back healthy, though probably not at the beginning of the season. |
He might come back at some point during the season, but he isn't going to be 100% until 2009 most likely. That was a serious knee injury that he's suffered, especially for a cornerback. |
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VetSkinsFan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | I know of no reason not to expect Rogers to come back healthy, though probably not at the beginning of the season. |
He might come back at some point during the season, but he isn't going to be 100% until 2009 most likely. That was a serious knee injury that he's suffered, especially for a cornerback. |
And Rogers wasn't all that before he got hurt...to think that he's going to come back better than before is a stretch. |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| VetSkinsFan wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | I know of no reason not to expect Rogers to come back healthy, though probably not at the beginning of the season. |
He might come back at some point during the season, but he isn't going to be 100% until 2009 most likely. That was a serious knee injury that he's suffered, especially for a cornerback. |
And Rogers wasn't all that before he got hurt...to think that he's going to come back better than before is a stretch. |
While he hadn't played up to his draft position, he was a solid starter. I espect him to be 1 again. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| yupchagee wrote: | | VetSkinsFan wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | I know of no reason not to expect Rogers to come back healthy, though probably not at the beginning of the season. |
He might come back at some point during the season, but he isn't going to be 100% until 2009 most likely. That was a serious knee injury that he's suffered, especially for a cornerback. |
And Rogers wasn't all that before he got hurt...to think that he's going to come back better than before is a stretch. |
While he hadn't played up to his draft position, he was a solid starter. I espect him to be 1 again. |
In 2007 he was. Prior to that he certainly was not solid. |
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