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Mursilis
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| GSPODS wrote: | Furthermore, offensive guards are not players to whom most teams want to pay first round money if it can be avoided. First round money is usually reserved for skill positions or impact players. Were Branden Albert a dominant left tackle prospect, several teams would be chomping at the bit. I'm sure a few teams are anyway.
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Don't forget that we're drafting at 21 - a LOW first round pick doesn't make nearly as much as a higher first rounder. I don't know what the 21st pick signed for last year, but it can't be more than what teams are currently paying for established starting guards in free agency - look at what S. Hutchinson or D. Dockery got. Dockery was good, and young, when Buffalo stole him away from us, but he hadn't even made the Pro Bowl, and look at the contract he got. |
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Countertrey
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I love oxymorons.
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| Mursilis wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | Furthermore, offensive guards are not players to whom most teams want to pay first round money if it can be avoided. First round money is usually reserved for skill positions or impact players. Were Branden Albert a dominant left tackle prospect, several teams would be chomping at the bit. I'm sure a few teams are anyway.
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Don't forget that we're drafting at 21 - a LOW first round pick doesn't make nearly as much as a higher first rounder. I don't know what the 21st pick signed for last year, but it can't be more than what teams are currently paying for established starting guards in free agency - look at what S. Hutchinson or D. Dockery got. Dockery was good, and young, when Buffalo stole him away from us, but he hadn't even made the Pro Bowl, and look at the contract he got. |
A draft pick makes whatever a team is willing to pay him to sign. That's why prospects hire agents. Does the team need the prospect more or does the prospect need the paycheck more? Who loses if the deal doesn't get done? The prospect sees the six or seven zeros following the first numbers and nearly craps himself trying to sign. The agent says whether or not there are enough zeros and haggles the details. If players negotiated their own contracts, it would cost a lot less to sign any draft pick. Ownership and player agents are responsible for the ridiculous salaries.
The difference between the #1 pick and the #21 pick is $3.0Million per season versus $800,000 per season, or 3.75 times the salary. As hard as Danny and Vinny seem to be working at trying to trade away picks, none of this may make any difference. |
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Mursilis
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | Mursilis wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | Furthermore, offensive guards are not players to whom most teams want to pay first round money if it can be avoided. First round money is usually reserved for skill positions or impact players. Were Branden Albert a dominant left tackle prospect, several teams would be chomping at the bit. I'm sure a few teams are anyway.
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Don't forget that we're drafting at 21 - a LOW first round pick doesn't make nearly as much as a higher first rounder. I don't know what the 21st pick signed for last year, but it can't be more than what teams are currently paying for established starting guards in free agency - look at what S. Hutchinson or D. Dockery got. Dockery was good, and young, when Buffalo stole him away from us, but he hadn't even made the Pro Bowl, and look at the contract he got. |
A draft pick makes whatever a team is willing to pay him to sign. That's why prospects hire agents. Does the team need the prospect more or does the prospect need the paycheck more? Who loses if the deal doesn't get done? The prospect sees the six or seven zeros following the first numbers and nearly craps himself trying to sign. The agent says whether or not there are enough zeros and haggles the details. If players negotiated their own contracts, it would cost a lot less to sign any draft pick. Ownership and player agents are responsible for the ridiculous salaries.
The difference between the #1 pick and the #21 pick is $3.0Million per season versus $800,000 per season, or 3.75 times the salary. As hard as Danny and Vinny seem to be working at trying to trade away picks, none of this may make any difference. |
What are you saying? I see nothing refuting my two main points:
1) Low first rounders (beginning with pick 20) are relatively cheap, and
2) NFL teams are in fact paying pretty highly for guards these days
Besides, when's the last time a LINEMAN held out into training camp? And save your econ arguments - I heard all those in college. Agents as well as players recognize there's 'slotting' of rookie contracts based on draft position. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| Mursilis wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | | Mursilis wrote: | | GSPODS wrote: | Furthermore, offensive guards are not players to whom most teams want to pay first round money if it can be avoided. First round money is usually reserved for skill positions or impact players. Were Branden Albert a dominant left tackle prospect, several teams would be chomping at the bit. I'm sure a few teams are anyway.
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Don't forget that we're drafting at 21 - a LOW first round pick doesn't make nearly as much as a higher first rounder. I don't know what the 21st pick signed for last year, but it can't be more than what teams are currently paying for established starting guards in free agency - look at what S. Hutchinson or D. Dockery got. Dockery was good, and young, when Buffalo stole him away from us, but he hadn't even made the Pro Bowl, and look at the contract he got. |
A draft pick makes whatever a team is willing to pay him to sign. That's why prospects hire agents. Does the team need the prospect more or does the prospect need the paycheck more? Who loses if the deal doesn't get done? The prospect sees the six or seven zeros following the first numbers and nearly craps himself trying to sign. The agent says whether or not there are enough zeros and haggles the details. If players negotiated their own contracts, it would cost a lot less to sign any draft pick. Ownership and player agents are responsible for the ridiculous salaries.
The difference between the #1 pick and the #21 pick is $3.0Million per season versus $800,000 per season, or 3.75 times the salary. As hard as Danny and Vinny seem to be working at trying to trade away picks, none of this may make any difference. |
What are you saying? I see nothing refuting my two main points:
1) Low first rounders (beginning with pick 20) are relatively cheap, and
2) NFL teams are in fact paying pretty highly for guards these days
Besides, when's the last time a LINEMAN held out into training camp? And save your econ arguments - I heard all those in college. Agents as well as players recognize there's 'slotting' of rookie contracts based on draft position. |
What am I saying? I am saying that I would not pay a guard $3.0 Million per season as a #1 draft pick but I would pay one $800,000 as a first round draft pick. In Alberts case, it looks like everyone but him has decided he'll be a tackle anyway. Would anyone pay a tackle that kind of money? Let's ask Bill Parcells.
In addition, I was saying previously in this thread that I would not trade up for Alberts. While I'm sure he will be a fine NFL player, the Redskins have more needs than they have draft picks.
As far as the "econ" arguments, you assume everyone reading this thread understands what we are posting about. I don't. I follow the "least informed member" rule, which is that the 14 year old who joined THN should be able to understand the thread just as easily as the college educated. |
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Countertrey
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GSPODS
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| Countertrey wrote: | | Quote: | arguments, you assume everyone reading this thread understands what we are posting about. I don't. I follow the "least informed member" rule, which is that the 14 year old who joined THN should be able to understand the thread just as easily as the college educated.
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What? I don't get it. |
That sounds like an personal issue between you and your wife.  |
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GSPODS
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Although they were uncharacteristically quiet in free agency, the Redskins appear to be growing anxious as the draft nears. Some media experts are claiming that this draft is one of the weakest ones in recent memory, which may cause a significant number of teams to trade picks for experienced talent or move down for more selections.
attempting to figure out what teams will do is like finding a needle in a haystack.
During his time as general manager with the Buffalo Bills, Tom Donahoe acknowledged how daunting the draft can be.
“The fascinating thing about personnel work is that you never know,” said Donahoe in April of 2003. "Teams do as much work as they possibly can do on players that will be eligible for the draft. But to be perfectly honest, we don’t know. We think we know, but we really don’t know.”
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