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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | Irn-Bru wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | The worst thing is even a stud WR does very little to improve a team. |
It seemed to help the Patriots. . . |
Not win a SB. They won three w/o half the tallent at WR they had last year. The Patriot kind of support my point. |
It doesn't support your point at all. The Patriots went 18-1 and likely would've won the Super Bowl had it not been for the prayer that Eli threw up to Tyree. Without Moss who knows if the Patriots even make the Super Bowl. |
Simple fact is they didn't. They lost the most import game of the season and mostly because they couldn't protect Brady. They won 3 SB w/o good WRs, how does that not support my case. |
It doesn't support your point because your point doesn't make any sense. This season the Pats arguably had a better offensive line than they did when they won their Super Bowls. Brady only took 21 sacks this season, while in their Super Bowl winning years he took 41, 32, and 26 sacks respectively. The Patriots had a very good offensive line this season, but they simply got outplayed by the Giants' defensive line in the Super Bowl. Their loss had nothing to do with having good wide receivers or having subpar talent on the offensive line, they simply got beat that day. It doesn't take away from the fact that Moss and Welker tremendously improved their offense and without those players they likely wouldn't have even made the Super Bowl. |
So why do a lot of mock drafts have them taking an OL. You can't say they wouldn't have made the playoffs w/o Moss and Welker because that is conjecture. But history say they won three w/o Moss and Welker and lost one w/them.
As far as the sack numbers go as long as just making wild assumptions is what you want, how about this. As Brady gets more experience is sack numbers came down. The Skins had a low sack total this year, but our OL still sucked (don't get me wrong, I think they played well considering we went into training camp w/o a LG and lost their RG and RT before the end of week 2) |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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So why do a lot of mock drafts have them taking an OL. You can't say they wouldn't have made the playoffs w/o Moss and Welker because that is conjecture. But history say they won three w/o Moss and Welker and lost one w/them. |
I don't know what mock drafts you're reading, but the ones that I have seen have the Patriots going defense, taking either Gholston or a corner with their first round pick. |
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skinsfan#33
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | We get Randy Thomas and Jon Janson back and that leave needing an upgrade to a competant starter at LG. Let me reword that, we need a starting LG that wouldn't have been a backup on a 4-12 team (which is exactly what Kendall would have been if we didn't trade for him) |
One more thing....Will you please stop the nonsense about replacing Kendall. Barring injury, he is going to be our starting left guard this season. You might not like that, but you should probably start getting used to the idea. No draft pick or signing is going to change that at this point. He is a veteran guy who did a good job last season despite the fact that the right side of our offensive line was decimated. No, he isn't great at pulling, but he is good enough to start for us this season. Drafting a young guy to potentially replace him in 2009 is important, but that isn't going to happen until the mid rounds of the draft. |
Look I know he will probably be our starting LG going into the season and if that is the case I will support him just like I did last year. But I disagree with him doing a good job last year and hope that Alberts is around at 21, if not I have no problem w/using a 2 or 3 to draft a guard to compete w/Kendall. I am just scared Thomas will get hurt again and our OL will be just the same as last year.
I just generally want to vomit at the thought of using a 1st round pick on a WR. Our track record there is bad, the NFL's track record is bad, and all of the WRs in this years draft scream potential bust. |
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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | Did you forget that same Randy Moss was on the Vikings team that set the NFL scoring record? I think you did. |
No, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
So he has been on two teams that set NFL records one was 15-1 and lost in the NFC Championship game and the other went 16-0 and lost in the Sb with a QB that had been 3-0 in the SB and has the NFL's best playoff record for a QB.
Man he really helped those teams win the big one! |
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VetSkinsFan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | We get Randy Thomas and Jon Janson back and that leave needing an upgrade to a competant starter at LG. Let me reword that, we need a starting LG that wouldn't have been a backup on a 4-12 team (which is exactly what Kendall would have been if we didn't trade for him) |
One more thing....Will you please stop the nonsense about replacing Kendall. Barring injury, he is going to be our starting left guard this season. You might not like that, but you should probably start getting used to the idea. No draft pick or signing is going to change that at this point. He is a veteran guy who did a good job last season despite the fact that the right side of our offensive line was decimated. No, he isn't great at pulling, but he is good enough to start for us this season. Drafting a young guy to potentially replace him in 2009 is important, but that isn't going to happen until the mid rounds of the draft. |
Look I know he will probably be our starting LG going into the season and if that is the case I will support him just like I did last year. But I disagree with him doing a good job last year and hope that Alberts is around at 21, if not I have no problem w/using a 2 or 3 to draft a guard to compete w/Kendall. I am just scared Thomas will get hurt again and our OL will be just the same as last year.
I just generally want to vomit at the thought of using a 1st round pick on a WR. Our track record there is bad, the NFL's track record is bad, and all of the WRs in this years draft scream potential bust. |
It wasn't that Thomas got hurt, it was the fact that Thomas and Jansen went out in the 1st two weeks of the season. The loss of those two guys individually would not decimate if they weren't hurt at the same time for the whole year, but the consequences were multiplied due to them being beside each other. |
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skinsfan#33
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| VetSkinsFan wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | We get Randy Thomas and Jon Janson back and that leave needing an upgrade to a competant starter at LG. Let me reword that, we need a starting LG that wouldn't have been a backup on a 4-12 team (which is exactly what Kendall would have been if we didn't trade for him) |
One more thing....Will you please stop the nonsense about replacing Kendall. Barring injury, he is going to be our starting left guard this season. You might not like that, but you should probably start getting used to the idea. No draft pick or signing is going to change that at this point. He is a veteran guy who did a good job last season despite the fact that the right side of our offensive line was decimated. No, he isn't great at pulling, but he is good enough to start for us this season. Drafting a young guy to potentially replace him in 2009 is important, but that isn't going to happen until the mid rounds of the draft. |
Look I know he will probably be our starting LG going into the season and if that is the case I will support him just like I did last year. But I disagree with him doing a good job last year and hope that Alberts is around at 21, if not I have no problem w/using a 2 or 3 to draft a guard to compete w/Kendall. I am just scared Thomas will get hurt again and our OL will be just the same as last year.
I just generally want to vomit at the thought of using a 1st round pick on a WR. Our track record there is bad, the NFL's track record is bad, and all of the WRs in this years draft scream potential bust. |
It wasn't that Thomas got hurt, it was the fact that Thomas and Jansen went out in the 1st two weeks of the season. The loss of those two guys individually would not decimate if they weren't hurt at the same time for the whole year, but the consequences were multiplied due to them being beside each other. |
I guess you don't remeber 2005 and how our running game dropped off after we lost Thomas near the end of the season. Don't get me wrong, his loss was felt even more because Janson was gone, but Thomas is the key to our running game. Without him it is just OK. We need another OG that can do the same things he does. |
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CanesSkins26
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | VetSkinsFan wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | We get Randy Thomas and Jon Janson back and that leave needing an upgrade to a competant starter at LG. Let me reword that, we need a starting LG that wouldn't have been a backup on a 4-12 team (which is exactly what Kendall would have been if we didn't trade for him) |
One more thing....Will you please stop the nonsense about replacing Kendall. Barring injury, he is going to be our starting left guard this season. You might not like that, but you should probably start getting used to the idea. No draft pick or signing is going to change that at this point. He is a veteran guy who did a good job last season despite the fact that the right side of our offensive line was decimated. No, he isn't great at pulling, but he is good enough to start for us this season. Drafting a young guy to potentially replace him in 2009 is important, but that isn't going to happen until the mid rounds of the draft. |
Look I know he will probably be our starting LG going into the season and if that is the case I will support him just like I did last year. But I disagree with him doing a good job last year and hope that Alberts is around at 21, if not I have no problem w/using a 2 or 3 to draft a guard to compete w/Kendall. I am just scared Thomas will get hurt again and our OL will be just the same as last year.
I just generally want to vomit at the thought of using a 1st round pick on a WR. Our track record there is bad, the NFL's track record is bad, and all of the WRs in this years draft scream potential bust. |
It wasn't that Thomas got hurt, it was the fact that Thomas and Jansen went out in the 1st two weeks of the season. The loss of those two guys individually would not decimate if they weren't hurt at the same time for the whole year, but the consequences were multiplied due to them being beside each other. |
I guess you don't remeber 2005 and how our running game dropped off after we lost Thomas near the end of the season. Don't get me wrong, his loss was felt even more because Janson was gone, but Thomas is the key to our running game. Without him it is just OK. We need another OG that can do the same things he does. |
Our running game is going to be fine. It's our passing game that needs improving. Teams will continue stacking the box against us until we can make teams pay for not respecting our passing offense. |
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PeetyPa
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| I also think our running game should be ok and our passing game would also be ok, but to make a run in the playoff, we need to be really good. Having said that, We need to draft good at WR and DT or DE...the other positions like OT/OG or CB/SS can be players that we can take a year or two to develope. I would spend one of our third rounds pick on a O-line man, we need to start getting younger at that position as well. |
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PeetyPa
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| I also think our running game should be ok and our passing game would also be ok, but to make a run in the playoff, we need to be really good. Having said that, We need to draft good at WR and DT or DE...the other positions like OT/OG or CB/SS can be players that we can take a year or two to develope. I would spend one of our third rounds pick on a O-line man, we need to start getting younger at that position as well. |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | VetSkinsFan wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: | | We get Randy Thomas and Jon Janson back and that leave needing an upgrade to a competant starter at LG. Let me reword that, we need a starting LG that wouldn't have been a backup on a 4-12 team (which is exactly what Kendall would have been if we didn't trade for him) |
One more thing....Will you please stop the nonsense about replacing Kendall. Barring injury, he is going to be our starting left guard this season. You might not like that, but you should probably start getting used to the idea. No draft pick or signing is going to change that at this point. He is a veteran guy who did a good job last season despite the fact that the right side of our offensive line was decimated. No, he isn't great at pulling, but he is good enough to start for us this season. Drafting a young guy to potentially replace him in 2009 is important, but that isn't going to happen until the mid rounds of the draft. |
Look I know he will probably be our starting LG going into the season and if that is the case I will support him just like I did last year. But I disagree with him doing a good job last year and hope that Alberts is around at 21, if not I have no problem w/using a 2 or 3 to draft a guard to compete w/Kendall. I am just scared Thomas will get hurt again and our OL will be just the same as last year.
I just generally want to vomit at the thought of using a 1st round pick on a WR. Our track record there is bad, the NFL's track record is bad, and all of the WRs in this years draft scream potential bust. |
It wasn't that Thomas got hurt, it was the fact that Thomas and Jansen went out in the 1st two weeks of the season. The loss of those two guys individually would not decimate if they weren't hurt at the same time for the whole year, but the consequences were multiplied due to them being beside each other. |
I guess you don't remeber 2005 and how our running game dropped off after we lost Thomas near the end of the season. Don't get me wrong, his loss was felt even more because Janson was gone, but Thomas is the key to our running game. Without him it is just OK. We need another OG that can do the same things he does. |
There aren't many OG's who can do what Thomas does. I'm not sure where we could find 1. |
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