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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Washington Post: Draft Rumblings |
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Nothing in this article that couldn't be gleaned from other internet reports and I have a feeling that the "inside sources" for this piece might be the main board at Extremeskins, but here is a draft update from JLC.
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Much of the pre-draft hype surrounding the Redskins - all the mockety mocks and that stuff - has focused on the Skins taking a WR or DE with the 21st pick. But after speaking with people involved in Washington's process - which is still in a relatively nascent stage - the sense is growing that taking a O Lineman at 21 is a strong possibility.
Trading down, in the end, given all the scenarios we will go through, is also something talked about daily, and could make the most sense given how the top 20 picks unfold. The Skins will be at the mercy of those that come before them, and as they breakdown every position in the draft the next two weeks the names at the top of their internal board will continue to change.
A week ago we spent a lot of time blogging about Branden Albert, the guard/tackle from Virginia. And for good reason. He would be a steal at 21, and, sources said, the Skins are very high on him, considering him the best of the O Linemen likely to be available and a player they would gladly pounce on here.
Concerns with the age and health of most starting linemen are significant, and Albert could possibly start at guard sooner rather than later and eventually play tackle (chances of milking two more years out of Jon Jansen will go out the door if he gets hurt again). Albert is a potential cornerstone, and if there is a run on Des and CBs at the top of the draft as expected, plus the obvious skill guys (Ryan, McFadden, etc.), some within the organization could see the Skins trying to explore trading up for Albert should he be there around 15.
But few other trading up scenarios exist.
New DC Greg Blache is deadest on getting an interior lineman who can push the pocket, and after Ellis and Dorsey are gone in the top 3-5 picks, well, the dropoff is huge. And DE is not seen by Blache as nearly as much of a need as DT, and they could still get a DE in the midrounds. As for WR, there is a sentiment that none of the tall guys is a sure fire can't miss guy, and there is not much separating Sweed, Thomas, Hardy. One or more could be available in the second round as well.
Albert is seen as the best guard available in the draft, and the franchise tackle no brainer - Long - is probably going first overall. The Skins are also very high on Vandy tackle Chris Williams, sources said, and he would be very enticing at 21. Duane Thomas, a tackle from Virginia Tech, is someone they could take on the first day as well, sources said, particularly if they trade down.
O Line guru Joe Bugel has been on the road, working out these players himself, sources said, something he had not done in previous years here. That has generated a buzz inside the building that taking an O Line at 21, or with whatever becomes Washington's first pick after a trade, is a legit possibility.
The WR class just isn't wowing them, at least not yet, and there is plenty of depth at the D Line after the top guys go in the top 12-15 picks. My gut is that Albert and Williams are off the board and the Skins try like heck to trade out of that pick, which makes total sense to me.
Some of you by now will be saying, what about CB, silly? And you're right. Again, expect a run on the best guys early, which presents problems. There are some within the organization who believe Carlos Rogers will start the year on the PUP list, and while the Skins were very pleased with the development of Leigh Torrence last year, its risky to enter the season with him as the No. 3 corner. And even if you take a corner high, again, young corners generally struggle and the Skins play so much nickel ... so, again still a gamble.
Sources suggested a trade for a solid veteran corner in the next few weeks is possible. Philly's Lito Sheppard is the most prominent name being shopped, but as we went over last month, the Skins rebuffed Philly's advances, concerned about his health and not wanting to deal a high pick.
But the Skins could very well package one of their third rounders, and maybe something else, to get a dependable corner, and then, on draft day, trade out of the 21st pick and essentially re-acquire the draft pick assets they dealt for the corner.
Comprende? I've felt all along the Skins will make a trade of some kind to address either WR or CB, and perhaps it will play out sooner rather than later. |
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/04/draft_ramblings.html#more |
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skinsfan#33
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It is crazy how much disparity there is on Alberts. A month ago some mock drafts didn't even have him as a 1st rounder but most had him going to PBurg at 23. Now some "drafts" have him going #5 to KC or I have seen several with him going to NE at #7. I think a lot of that has to do with him projecting as a OT, now.
I am glad to hear there are rumblings that that Skins are interested in him. If there at #21 they have to take him, but I doubt he will still be on the board. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | It is crazy how much disparity there is on Alberts. A month ago some mock drafts didn't even have him as a 1st rounder but most had him going to PBurg at 23. Now some "drafts" have him going #5 to KC or I have seen several with him going to NE at #7. I think a lot of that has to do with him projecting as a OT, now.
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That's exactly why. He played guard at UVA and initially was projected as just a guard. As teams have worked him out they feel like he can play OT as well. This new projection for him is exactly why the Skins wont be drafting him. We need an interior lineman, not a tackle, and with his projection as a tackle he will likely be gone before we draft. And I highly doubt that we would trade up to take a guy to play guard here when his real value comes from his ability to plat tackle. If we do take a offensive lineman in the first (which I doubt), Williams is the more likely pick but he could very well be gone before we draft.
The more I see about Blache wanting an interior lineman, the more likely I think it is that we will at least explore the option of trading up to get Ellis. He fits the bill as a pass rushing defensive tackle. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | It is crazy how much disparity there is on Alberts. A month ago some mock drafts didn't even have him as a 1st rounder but most had him going to PBurg at 23. Now some "drafts" have him going #5 to KC or I have seen several with him going to NE at #7. I think a lot of that has to do with him projecting as a OT, now.
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That's exactly why. He played guard at UVA and initially was projected as just a guard. As teams have worked him out they feel like he can play OT as well. This new projection for him is exactly why the Skins wont be drafting him. We need an interior lineman, not a tackle, and with his projection as a tackle he will likely be gone before we draft. And I highly doubt that we would trade up to take a guy to play guard here when his real value comes from his ability to plat tackle. If we do take a offensive lineman in the first (which I doubt), Williams is the more likely pick but he could very well be gone before we draft.
The more I see about Blache wanting an interior lineman, the more likely I think it is that we will at least explore the option of trading up to get Ellis. He fits the bill as a pass rushing defensive tackle. |
It would take our entire draft to get a pick high enough to get Ellis. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| yupchagee wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | It is crazy how much disparity there is on Alberts. A month ago some mock drafts didn't even have him as a 1st rounder but most had him going to PBurg at 23. Now some "drafts" have him going #5 to KC or I have seen several with him going to NE at #7. I think a lot of that has to do with him projecting as a OT, now.
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That's exactly why. He played guard at UVA and initially was projected as just a guard. As teams have worked him out they feel like he can play OT as well. This new projection for him is exactly why the Skins wont be drafting him. We need an interior lineman, not a tackle, and with his projection as a tackle he will likely be gone before we draft. And I highly doubt that we would trade up to take a guy to play guard here when his real value comes from his ability to plat tackle. If we do take a offensive lineman in the first (which I doubt), Williams is the more likely pick but he could very well be gone before we draft.
The more I see about Blache wanting an interior lineman, the more likely I think it is that we will at least explore the option of trading up to get Ellis. He fits the bill as a pass rushing defensive tackle. |
It would take our entire draft to get a pick high enough to get Ellis. |
Not necessarily. It depends where he is taken. If he falls to 12 (where the Broncos pick) I think we could probably work out a trade to get him. Right now McShay has him going 9th and Kiper has him going 8th. I'm not saying that it's likely but with the Skins you never know. They want a defensive tackle that can collapse the pocket and pressure the qb and those types of player are hard to come by. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | yupchagee wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | It is crazy how much disparity there is on Alberts. A month ago some mock drafts didn't even have him as a 1st rounder but most had him going to PBurg at 23. Now some "drafts" have him going #5 to KC or I have seen several with him going to NE at #7. I think a lot of that has to do with him projecting as a OT, now.
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That's exactly why. He played guard at UVA and initially was projected as just a guard. As teams have worked him out they feel like he can play OT as well. This new projection for him is exactly why the Skins wont be drafting him. We need an interior lineman, not a tackle, and with his projection as a tackle he will likely be gone before we draft. And I highly doubt that we would trade up to take a guy to play guard here when his real value comes from his ability to plat tackle. If we do take a offensive lineman in the first (which I doubt), Williams is the more likely pick but he could very well be gone before we draft.
The more I see about Blache wanting an interior lineman, the more likely I think it is that we will at least explore the option of trading up to get Ellis. He fits the bill as a pass rushing defensive tackle. |
It would take our entire draft to get a pick high enough to get Ellis. |
Not necessarily. It depends where he is taken. If he falls to 12 (where the Broncos pick) I think we could probably work out a trade to get him. Right now McShay has him going 9th and Kiper has him going 8th. I'm not saying that it's likely but with the Skins you never know. They want a defensive tackle that can collapse the pocket and pressure the qb and those types of player are hard to come by. |
We'd have to give up our 2nd & probably our 6th to get up to 12, & Ellis wil probably go in the top 1o. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | yupchagee wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | It is crazy how much disparity there is on Alberts. A month ago some mock drafts didn't even have him as a 1st rounder but most had him going to PBurg at 23. Now some "drafts" have him going #5 to KC or I have seen several with him going to NE at #7. I think a lot of that has to do with him projecting as a OT, now.
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That's exactly why. He played guard at UVA and initially was projected as just a guard. As teams have worked him out they feel like he can play OT as well. This new projection for him is exactly why the Skins wont be drafting him. We need an interior lineman, not a tackle, and with his projection as a tackle he will likely be gone before we draft. And I highly doubt that we would trade up to take a guy to play guard here when his real value comes from his ability to plat tackle. If we do take a offensive lineman in the first (which I doubt), Williams is the more likely pick but he could very well be gone before we draft.
The more I see about Blache wanting an interior lineman, the more likely I think it is that we will at least explore the option of trading up to get Ellis. He fits the bill as a pass rushing defensive tackle. |
It would take our entire draft to get a pick high enough to get Ellis. |
Not necessarily. It depends where he is taken. If he falls to 12 (where the Broncos pick) I think we could probably work out a trade to get him. Right now McShay has him going 9th and Kiper has him going 8th. I'm not saying that it's likely but with the Skins you never know. They want a defensive tackle that can collapse the pocket and pressure the qb and those types of player are hard to come by. |
no trade w/the Broncos. We always get the short end on those trades. No trading up period. As much as I would like us to get Alberts there isn't a player in the draft I would trade up for.
Alberts would play OG for us and then move to OT when we need him to, but he will be gone - so it is all accademic. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I find it baffling that some can so easily throw out the trade down scenario as if it is a realistic and viable option. Teams seldom want to move up into the first round and you have no control over teams trading up. I think many teams would love to trade down and acquire more picks, but these days, while it does happen occasionally, is rare and can't be relied on. It might be easier to trade the 21st pick verses a top ten pick, but I don't know if there is enough out there to entice teams to want to move up. It would be great if we could do it, but I'm not counting on it. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| nfl teams trade future picks more than you think. That is always an option for a trade. See last year: Cleveland Browns trade a future #1 pick (22 consequently)and their 2nd round draft pick that year (#36 overall) for Notre Dame QB Brady Quinn. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | yupchagee wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | It is crazy how much disparity there is on Alberts. A month ago some mock drafts didn't even have him as a 1st rounder but most had him going to PBurg at 23. Now some "drafts" have him going #5 to KC or I have seen several with him going to NE at #7. I think a lot of that has to do with him projecting as a OT, now.
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That's exactly why. He played guard at UVA and initially was projected as just a guard. As teams have worked him out they feel like he can play OT as well. This new projection for him is exactly why the Skins wont be drafting him. We need an interior lineman, not a tackle, and with his projection as a tackle he will likely be gone before we draft. And I highly doubt that we would trade up to take a guy to play guard here when his real value comes from his ability to plat tackle. If we do take a offensive lineman in the first (which I doubt), Williams is the more likely pick but he could very well be gone before we draft.
The more I see about Blache wanting an interior lineman, the more likely I think it is that we will at least explore the option of trading up to get Ellis. He fits the bill as a pass rushing defensive tackle. |
It would take our entire draft to get a pick high enough to get Ellis. |
Not necessarily. It depends where he is taken. If he falls to 12 (where the Broncos pick) I think we could probably work out a trade to get him. Right now McShay has him going 9th and Kiper has him going 8th. I'm not saying that it's likely but with the Skins you never know. They want a defensive tackle that can collapse the pocket and pressure the qb and those types of player are hard to come by. |
It is VERY unlikely. We finally get an off-season where Danny keeps his Johnson in his pants during free agency and we have Cerrato talking about the great value of building through the draft  I don't see them throwing all that away to chase Ellis. Hope not anyway.
More likely to see them draft Merling or Calais and then move Daniels inside on 3rd downs. or maybe look at Balmer. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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More likely to see them draft Merling or Calais and then move Daniels inside on 3rd downs. or maybe look at Balmer. |
Apparently Blache wants an interior lineman that can pressure the qb. Neither Merling or Campbell fit the bill. Plus, Campbell is a project and Merling had sports hernia surgery. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: |
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More likely to see them draft Merling or Calais and then move Daniels inside on 3rd downs. or maybe look at Balmer. |
Apparently Blache wants an interior lineman that can pressure the qb. Neither Merling or Campbell fit the bill. Plus, Campbell is a project and Merling had sports hernia surgery. |
They moved Daniels inside last year on 3rd as well... |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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More likely to see them draft Merling or Calais and then move Daniels inside on 3rd downs. or maybe look at Balmer. |
Apparently Blache wants an interior lineman that can pressure the qb. Neither Merling or Campbell fit the bill. Plus, Campbell is a project and Merling had sports hernia surgery. |
Which is why I mentioned moving Daniels inside on 3rd downs. He could be a very good pass rushing interior guy compared to Golston and Montgomerey. Just a different angle on what could be done if need be. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| fleetus wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: |
More likely to see them draft Merling or Calais and then move Daniels inside on 3rd downs. or maybe look at Balmer. |
Apparently Blache wants an interior lineman that can pressure the qb. Neither Merling or Campbell fit the bill. Plus, Campbell is a project and Merling had sports hernia surgery. |
Which is why I mentioned moving Daniels inside on 3rd downs. He could be a very good pass rushing interior guy compared to Golston and Montgomerey. Just a different angle on what could be done if need be. |
I read that Daniels was competing in a strong man tourney in the off season, so maybe he'll be able to push some lineman around now on the interior. 
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| VetSkinsFan wrote: | | fleetus wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | Quote: |
More likely to see them draft Merling or Calais and then move Daniels inside on 3rd downs. or maybe look at Balmer. |
Apparently Blache wants an interior lineman that can pressure the qb. Neither Merling or Campbell fit the bill. Plus, Campbell is a project and Merling had sports hernia surgery. |
Which is why I mentioned moving Daniels inside on 3rd downs. He could be a very good pass rushing interior guy compared to Golston and Montgomerey. Just a different angle on what could be done if need be. |
I read that Daniels was competing in a strong man tourney in the off season, so maybe he'll be able to push some lineman around now on the interior.
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Stronger, yes but quite possibly at the cost of quickness & flexibility. |
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