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| If it came down to either Hardy or Campbell? Which one? |
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PeetyPa
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: Hardy or Campbell ? if they are both available. |
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| I would like to know what everybody thinks on this because I have the feeling that it is going to come down to making this choice. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm assuming that you mean in the second round, because neither of these guys is likely to go in the first, and definitely not at #21. |
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PulpExposure
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Doesn't it really depend on what we do in the first round? |
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Silverfox
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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I would rather another DE (not Campbell), but given the limited choice between Hardy and Campbell I'd go with Hardy. At #21 we are looking at a starter, at least, and Campbell is a project IMO. Hardy (from Indiana) has really good numbers at 6-5, 217, a 4.45 sec 40 and 31 1/2" jump, but still a possible project.
My DE choices, in order (and availability at 21) are: Merling, Clemson; Harvey, Fla.; Jackson, So Cal.; Ellis, Va Tech; Groves, Auburn - Gholston should be long gone. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | My DE choices, in order (and availability at 21) are: Merling, Clemson; Harvey, Fla.; Jackson, So Cal.; Ellis, Va Tech; Groves, Auburn - Gholston should be long gone. |
Merling had sports hernia surgery so there are concerns about his health.
Harvery will be gone by the time that we pick at #21.
Groves had heart surgery recently and is way undersized for us.
#21 is probably too high for Lawrence Jackson as he's likely to go in the mid-2nd round.
There's also Avril from Purdue but he's not a first rounder and more of an lb in a 3-4.
Calais Campbell is more of a 2-3 year project. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | I'm assuming that you mean in the second round, because neither of these guys is likely to go in the first, and definitely not at #21. |
 Exactly. I wouldn't take either one of these guys at #21. I do think Campbell's best days are ahead of him, but I think there will be a lot better players available at #21. You take the best player on the board in the 1st, assuming it's a position of need, and neither Campbell or Hardy will be the best player available at #21.
It's funny, some folks here are pretty high on Hardy. When the draft shows on the NFL Network breakdown game film of corners, they always show the corners shutting down Hardy. Almost every CB analyzed or talked about, they always seem to show game tape of Hardy getting abused by these corners. Hardy has nice size, but I'm definitely not sold on him as a 1st rounder. In the late 2nd or early 3rd, I'd consider him. But I believe there will be a few better WR's available. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | #21 is probably too high for Lawrence Jackson as he's likely to go in the mid-2nd round. |
Yeah, I agree. Kiper now has Jackson rated as the 5th best DE in the draft, ahead of Campbell, who is falling a bit. Personally, I go after Sweed, Kelly or Thomas in the 1st and try to do whatever necessary to grab Jackson in the 2nd. I like that guy and think he has a real potential.
I'm still of the belief that CB and S are big concerns. We are pretty thin a WR, CB and S. Regardless of order, I believe those positions are priority. There will be enough picks to grab other positions as well. |
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CanesSkins26
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I'm still of the belief that CB and S are big concerns. We are pretty thin a WR, CB and S. Regardless of order, I believe those positions are priority. There will be enough picks to grab other positions as well. |
I've been against spending a 1st or 2nd rounder on a defensive back (still am when it comes to safeties), but if Talib somehow falls to us in the first I don't think that there's anyway that we can pass him up. Kiper thinks he's a top 10 talent but apparently some teams are turned off because he admitted to smoking pot. |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's let the D-line coach decide on Campbell. He knows him better than anybody. My guess is that if we pass on him at #21, he will still be there at #51. Everybody knows we need D-line help & that our D-line coach coached Campbell at the U. If we pass on him, others will figure that we know something they don't. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| yupchagee wrote: | | Let's let the D-line coach decide on Campbell. He knows him better than anybody. My guess is that if we pass on him at #21, he will still be there at #51. Everybody knows we need D-line help & that our D-line coach coached Campbell at the U. If we pass on him, others will figure that we know something they don't. |
True. Didn't we also hear recently that Blache thinks DT is a bigger need for us than DE?
Found it...
| Quote: | | Defensive coordinator Greg Blache has voiced his desire to use the 21st pick on an interior lineman, preferably one who possesses superior pass-rushing skills for the position, league sources said. The highest-rated defensive linemen are expected to be off the board when the Redskins pick, but the team could move up through a trade. |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | yupchagee wrote: | | Let's let the D-line coach decide on Campbell. He knows him better than anybody. My guess is that if we pass on him at #21, he will still be there at #51. Everybody knows we need D-line help & that our D-line coach coached Campbell at the U. If we pass on him, others will figure that we know something they don't. |
True. Didn't we also hear recently that Blache thinks DT is a bigger need for us than DE?
Found it...
| Quote: | | Defensive coordinator Greg Blache has voiced his desire to use the 21st pick on an interior lineman, preferably one who possesses superior pass-rushing skills for the position, league sources said. The highest-rated defensive linemen are expected to be off the board when the Redskins pick, but the team could move up through a trade. |
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The 1st 2 DT's (Ellis & Dorsey will be long gone when we pick. The only other DT who MAY be worth a 1st rnder is Balmer who hasn't shown much as a pass rusher. I'm not sure if there is a DT worth a 2nd rndr who has shown anything as a pass rusher. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| yupchagee wrote: | | SkinsFreak wrote: | | yupchagee wrote: | | Let's let the D-line coach decide on Campbell. He knows him better than anybody. My guess is that if we pass on him at #21, he will still be there at #51. Everybody knows we need D-line help & that our D-line coach coached Campbell at the U. If we pass on him, others will figure that we know something they don't. |
True. Didn't we also hear recently that Blache thinks DT is a bigger need for us than DE?
Found it...
| Quote: | | Defensive coordinator Greg Blache has voiced his desire to use the 21st pick on an interior lineman, preferably one who possesses superior pass-rushing skills for the position, league sources said. The highest-rated defensive linemen are expected to be off the board when the Redskins pick, but the team could move up through a trade. |
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The 1st 2 DT's (Ellis & Dorsey will be long gone when we pick. The only other DT who MAY be worth a 1st rnder is Balmer who hasn't shown much as a pass rusher. I'm not sure if there is a DT worth a 2nd rndr who has shown anything as a pass rusher. |
I think that Pat Sims from Auburn would be a good DT to take in the 2nd round, although he may be gone before we pick. Other than Sims, I think you're right about their not being another DT to take in the 2nd round. Trevor Laws may go in the 2nd but the biggest question mark about him is his size and ability to collapse the pocket/get after the qb. So if they are serious about taking a DT in the first or second round and don't trade up, we're basically looking at either Balmer or Sims. Ellis would be the perfect fit for what we are looking for but it's unlikely that we'll be able to trade up and get him. |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, I agree with you both, I don't think we'll take a DT in the 1st. It's funny, of all the draft stuff we've heard from the Skins or about the Skins, RB, FB and TE seem the be the only positions we don't have a need for. |
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Countertrey
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| My gut says that, if we stay put at 21, they will draft the highest rated talent at DE,DT, G, WR, CB, or S. If we move up, it will be to get one of those killer DT's. If we move down, then the real fun begins! |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Countertrey wrote: | | My gut says that, if we stay put at 21, they will draft the highest rated talent at DE,DT, G, WR, CB, or S. If we move up, it will be to get one of those killer DT's. If we move down, then the real fun begins! |
I think it will be limited to DE, DT or WR. |
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