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yupchagee
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | You want sexy picks? Try Al Davis.
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Sorry, he does NOTHING for me. |
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HEROHAMO
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Countertrey wrote: | | Quote: | | It just is not the sexy pick |
This is Parcells... He is about winning championships (hate him or love him, there is no doubting that), not about sexy picks. You want sexy picks? Try Al Davis.
Parcells did it just as you would expect. No fooling around, no games, just brutal logic. Identify the goal, achieve the goal... Is that a problem? We could use a little of that ourselves. |
Where did I point out what I wanted? I never said I wanted the sexy pick.
I am simply pointing out that it is not exactly the most star studded pick.
I have no problem with Parcells improving the O line with a quality LT. I just think He pulled the trigger way too early. I believe he wanted to trade down? Why sign your first pick a week early? Many trades have been made on draft day. Also Jake Long is not far and away the best prospect at even his own position.
Like I said before Parcells builds a fine football foundation for players to develop. Most players coming into his football haven usually come out better players. I have no doubt Jake Long will become a good maybe even great player.
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HEROHAMO
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Oh yeah one more thing.
Al Davis is getting up there in age. He is like seventy or eighty now.
Al Davis was superb at picking talent. He is just too old and too stubborn now.
HIs draft history is legendary. As of late not so much but please he has drafted great players.
Fred Bilitnikoff, Lester Hayes, MIke Haynes, Jack Tatum, Marcus Allen, Howie Long, Bo Jackson, Art SHell, Ted Hendricks etc..
Jack Tatums career was Hall of fame worthy. Everyone knows that. It is just that he played so brutally that he was blackballed to not be voted into the Hall of fame. He paralyzed a guy on the field so ever since then he has been looked down upon. A wide receiver named Darryl Stingley. Tatum tried to visit Stingley in the hospital but the family refused to let Tatum visit. The hit was perfectly legal. In 2007 Stingley passed away. They never buried the hatchet between them. Such a sad story for both men involved. Tatums career has a shadow hovering over him. Stingleys career was cut short. |
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fleetus
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| Countertrey wrote: | | Quote: | | At the very least, if no offers were forthcoming, he should have kept us all in suspense right up until the Dolphins were on the clock, to name his choice. IMHO |
Why? Is it the Tuna's job to keep us guessing? I really don't think the cares whether we are in suspense or not. His job was to get the best value he could at the number one spot, and to get him signed. He did that. |
I meant the collective us, other teams included. Has nothing to do with entertainment value. Only strategy. You don't show your hand unless you have to. Parcells had no reason to show anyone his plans unless he assumed there was no way to keep the media out of his business for three more days.
And look what happens today, Chiefs trade Allen and acquire an extra 1st and 3rd round pick. Add another team to the list with enough ammo and possible motivation to trade up. But Parcells will never know who, if anyone might have been interested because he's already blown his wad. Of course Jake Long is a safe OL pick, yada yada yada, but no one was going to trade up to #1 for Jake Long. Chris Long? Maybe. McFadden? Maybe. Let's here some independent thought on here rather than quoting talking heads from Sports Center on every other post.
Face it, Parcells had NOTHING to lose and everything to gain by waiting until Saturday, with one minute to go, to announce his pick. An overly conservative move by doing it this early, IMO. |
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John Manfreda
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I like this pick, I would say the a great Lt is really important |
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Mursilis
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| fleetus wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | Quote: | | At the very least, if no offers were forthcoming, he should have kept us all in suspense right up until the Dolphins were on the clock, to name his choice. IMHO |
Why? Is it the Tuna's job to keep us guessing? I really don't think the cares whether we are in suspense or not. His job was to get the best value he could at the number one spot, and to get him signed. He did that. |
I meant the collective us, other teams included. Has nothing to do with entertainment value. Only strategy. You don't show your hand unless you have to. Parcells had no reason to show anyone his plans unless he assumed there was no way to keep the media out of his business for three more days.
And look what happens today, Chiefs trade Allen and acquire an extra 1st and 3rd round pick. Add another team to the list with enough ammo and possible motivation to trade up. But Parcells will never know who, if anyone might have been interested because he's already blown his wad. Of course Jake Long is a safe OL pick, yada yada yada, but no one was going to trade up to #1 for Jake Long. Chris Long? Maybe. McFadden? Maybe. Let's here some independent thought on here rather than quoting talking heads from Sports Center on every other post.
Face it, Parcells had NOTHING to lose and everything to gain by waiting until Saturday, with one minute to go, to announce his pick. An overly conservative move by doing it this early, IMO. |
Nothing to lose? How about getting his pick signed - that's what he had to lose! From what I read, Miami got Long to sign for LESS than last year's 1st overall pick, which is significant in and of itself, and has no doubt made lots of agents upset, since they only like to see rookie salaries go up, not down. So, what if the terms of the Long deal had been leaked before it was done, and all the prominent agents had leaned on Long and his agent to hold out for more? Miami had plenty to lose here, but they avoided a hold-out, and got a good player signed for a price which isn't going to kill them. And as far as a trade, that clearly wasn't going to happen. The first overall pick is a curse as well as a blessing, because of what it costs to sign such a high-rounder. That's especially true in a year like this one, when none of the prospects seem like a "once in a decade, can't miss, gotta-have" star. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Mursilis wrote: | | fleetus wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | Quote: | | At the very least, if no offers were forthcoming, he should have kept us all in suspense right up until the Dolphins were on the clock, to name his choice. IMHO |
Why? Is it the Tuna's job to keep us guessing? I really don't think the cares whether we are in suspense or not. His job was to get the best value he could at the number one spot, and to get him signed. He did that. |
I meant the collective us, other teams included. Has nothing to do with entertainment value. Only strategy. You don't show your hand unless you have to. Parcells had no reason to show anyone his plans unless he assumed there was no way to keep the media out of his business for three more days.
And look what happens today, Chiefs trade Allen and acquire an extra 1st and 3rd round pick. Add another team to the list with enough ammo and possible motivation to trade up. But Parcells will never know who, if anyone might have been interested because he's already blown his wad. Of course Jake Long is a safe OL pick, yada yada yada, but no one was going to trade up to #1 for Jake Long. Chris Long? Maybe. McFadden? Maybe. Let's here some independent thought on here rather than quoting talking heads from Sports Center on every other post.
Face it, Parcells had NOTHING to lose and everything to gain by waiting until Saturday, with one minute to go, to announce his pick. An overly conservative move by doing it this early, IMO. |
Nothing to lose? How about getting his pick signed - that's what he had to lose! From what I read, Miami got Long to sign for LESS than last year's 1st overall pick, which is significant in and of itself, and has no doubt made lots of agents upset, since they only like to see rookie salaries go up, not down. So, what if the terms of the Long deal had been leaked before it was done, and all the prominent agents had leaned on Long and his agent to hold out for more? Miami had plenty to lose here, but they avoided a hold-out, and got a good player signed for a price which isn't going to kill them. And as far as a trade, that clearly wasn't going to happen. The first overall pick is a curse as well as a blessing, because of what it costs to sign such a high-rounder. That's especially true in a year like this one, when none of the prospects seem like a "once in a decade, can't miss, gotta-have" star. |
You bring up a good point. The fact that a "prospect" is getting paid more than the established pro bowlers is a shame. Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, Chris Samuels, Jonathan Ogden are all making less than Jake Long this year. It also punishes a team who is in position for the top picks. If they cant handle a big salary and they bust on there pick? Then they are right back in the crapper again.
I am sure the NFL will be putting a cap soon on how much rookies can make in the near future. The NBA used to have the same problem with rookies holding out. They implemented a salary cap on rookie contracts and now are no longer having the problem of rookies holding out.
Also makes me think of how stupid the head of the players association is? The football contracts in general are nothing compared to Baseball, Basketball or even Hockey. Guaranteed money is far less than the other sports. Yet it is the most popular. Also the aforementioned rookie contracts. The stereo type meat head comes to mind. Geez get a clue NFL players. Get better leadership and negotiations for your players. |
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PulpExposure
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| HEROHAMO wrote: | | I am sure the NFL will be putting a cap soon on how much rookies can make in the near future. |
They absolutely have to. |
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Fios
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| PulpExposure wrote: | | HEROHAMO wrote: | | I am sure the NFL will be putting a cap soon on how much rookies can make in the near future. |
They absolutely have to. |
Doesn't a rookie cap already exist? |
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HEROHAMO
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Fios wrote: | | PulpExposure wrote: | | HEROHAMO wrote: | | I am sure the NFL will be putting a cap soon on how much rookies can make in the near future. |
They absolutely have to. |
Doesn't a rookie cap already exist? |
If it does it must be a very high cap and the plan has got to be re evaluated. Dont you think so? |
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PulpExposure
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Fios wrote: | | PulpExposure wrote: | | HEROHAMO wrote: | | I am sure the NFL will be putting a cap soon on how much rookies can make in the near future. |
They absolutely have to. |
Doesn't a rookie cap already exist? |
I guess in theory? I meant a hard, set, slotted payscale as in the NBA. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| PulpExposure wrote: | | Fios wrote: | | PulpExposure wrote: | | HEROHAMO wrote: | | I am sure the NFL will be putting a cap soon on how much rookies can make in the near future. |
They absolutely have to. |
Doesn't a rookie cap already exist? |
I guess in theory? I meant a hard, set, slotted payscale as in the NBA. |
NFL players don't have guaranteed contracts, they'd be stupid to agree to a hard cap on rookie contracts. |
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Fios
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| PulpExposure wrote: | | Fios wrote: | | PulpExposure wrote: | | HEROHAMO wrote: | | I am sure the NFL will be putting a cap soon on how much rookies can make in the near future. |
They absolutely have to. |
Doesn't a rookie cap already exist? |
I guess in theory? I meant a hard, set, slotted payscale as in the NBA. |
I like the NBA approach to the rookie cap |
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John Manfreda
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| there shouldn't be a cap on rookies, they should be able to make as much money as they possibly can. Football contracts aren't guaranteed like NBA, thats why NBA can have those type of rookie contracts. And career ending injuries are less likely in Basketball. They get this huge contract in the NFL but there not gonna see all that money, NFL u can easily rework a contract or cut someone. If they have a cap on rookies than they should have guaranteed contracts than. They shouldn't be allowed to cap one's contract and be able to rework contracts and cut someone outright. If they cap there contracts rookies will sign probably one to two year deals and if they don't like the team they will leave. How would you all like it if Landry would be a free agent at the end of this season. I think its fine the way it is. Maybe at most three year deals. Basketball u can a build team overnight (Boston Celtics), in football u can't. |
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yupchagee
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| John Manfreda wrote: | | there shouldn't be a cap on rookies, they should be able to make as much money as they possibly can. Football contracts aren't guaranteed like NBA, thats why NBA can have those type of rookie contracts. And career ending injuries are less likely in Basketball. They get this huge contract in the NFL but there not gonna see all that money, NFL u can easily rework a contract or cut someone. If they have a cap on rookies than they should have guaranteed contracts than. They shouldn't be allowed to cap one's contract and be able to rework contracts and cut someone outright. If they cap there contracts rookies will sign probably one to two year deals and if they don't like the team they will leave. How would you all like it if Landry would be a free agent at the end of this season. I think its fine the way it is. Maybe at most three year deals. Basketball u can a build team overnight (Boston Celtics), in football u can't. |
I agree. There shouldn't be salary for anyone ever. I believe in free markets, especially in products or services that aren't vital. |
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