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Jeremy81
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| I don't think locker or mallet will be available by the time we pick. I wouldn't mind waiting on qb until the second round. Maybe a guy like Andy Dalton and picking up a stud OL in the first or maybe a julio Jones. I just think the top 4 qbs will be gone by the time we pick |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Jeremy81 wrote: | | I don't think locker or mallet will be available by the time we pick. I wouldn't mind waiting on qb until the second round. Maybe a guy like Andy Dalton and picking up a stud OL in the first or maybe a julio Jones. I just think the top 4 qbs will be gone by the time we pick |
There is very little chance we're going OL in the first round because we don't need an LT and anywhere else it's a stretch pick. The only way is if a very good RT is available, but that's in the long shot category. People like tossing out the go OL in the first round w/o analyzing what they are saying. A receiver is definitely possible though. I'm hoping we get a good 3-4 DL or LB. But drafting for position is a mistake we're not likely to make as Shanny is smart enough to avoid that trap, so it really depends who's there. |
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Red_One43
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Jeremy81 wrote: | | I don't think locker or mallet will be available by the time we pick. I wouldn't mind waiting on qb until the second round. Maybe a guy like Andy Dalton and picking up a stud OL in the first or maybe a julio Jones. I just think the top 4 qbs will be gone by the time we pick |
There is very little chance we're going OL in the first round because we don't need an LT and anywhere else it's a stretch pick. The only way is if a very good RT is available, but that's in the long shot category. People like tossing out the go OL in the first round w/o analyzing what they are saying. A receiver is definitely possible though. I'm hoping we get a good 3-4 DL or LB. But drafting for position is a mistake we're not likely to make as Shanny is smart enough to avoid that trap, so it really depends who's there. |
Receiver? How about A.J. Green? |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Red_One43 wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Jeremy81 wrote: | | I don't think locker or mallet will be available by the time we pick. I wouldn't mind waiting on qb until the second round. Maybe a guy like Andy Dalton and picking up a stud OL in the first or maybe a julio Jones. I just think the top 4 qbs will be gone by the time we pick |
There is very little chance we're going OL in the first round because we don't need an LT and anywhere else it's a stretch pick. The only way is if a very good RT is available, but that's in the long shot category. People like tossing out the go OL in the first round w/o analyzing what they are saying. A receiver is definitely possible though. I'm hoping we get a good 3-4 DL or LB. But drafting for position is a mistake we're not likely to make as Shanny is smart enough to avoid that trap, so it really depends who's there. |
Receiver? How about A.J. Green? |
I like going big. Assuming we keep Moss that would be a good combination |
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TCIYM
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I'm reading the local pundits discussing the possibility of trading Cooley to move up in the draft and asking myself why? I wouldn't trade Cooley for Andrew Luck or anyone else in this draft but that's just me. We will get someone at a position of need if we stay at 14, or even if we trade down. If this franchise trades Cooley for a project player ...  |
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What is it about trading Cooley that makes some Skins fans drool?  |
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TCIYM
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| Deadskins wrote: | | What is it about trading Cooley that makes some Skins fans drool? |
Cooley is one of the very few pieces that the Redskins have worth anything in trade (aside from the players who won't be moved at any price) so the local media appears to be running the gamut if rumors through the mill. I don't know that anyone wanting Cooley moved could be considered a Redskins fan. |
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Jeremy81
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Jeremy81 wrote: | | I don't think locker or mallet will be available by the time we pick. I wouldn't mind waiting on qb until the second round. Maybe a guy like Andy Dalton and picking up a stud OL in the first or maybe a julio Jones. I just think the top 4 qbs will be gone by the time we pick |
There is very little chance we're going OL in the first round because we don't need an LT and anywhere else it's a stretch pick. The only way is if a very good RT is available, but that's in the long shot category. People like tossing out the go OL in the first round w/o analyzing what they are saying. A receiver is definitely possible though. I'm hoping we get a good 3-4 DL or LB. But drafting for position is a mistake we're not likely to make as Shanny is smart enough to avoid that trap, so it really depends who's there. |
i'm not suggesting we take another LT with our pick. we're not going to have a top ten pick. picking a great G or C with a pick in the teens is not all that obsurd. Iupati and pouncey were both picked in the teens. it's doesn't neccessarily have to be a RT. stefen wisniewski or rodney hudson could both be worth a mid round pick. to assume people don't analyze what they say because they make suggestions you don't agree with is a bit off base. my whole point was that our first round pick doesn't have to be taken on a qb. there will be good qbs available in the second round |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Jeremy81 wrote: | | i'm not suggesting we take another LT with our pick. we're not going to have a top ten pick. picking a great G or C with a pick in the teens is not all that obsurd. Iupati and pouncey were both picked in the teens. it's doesn't neccessarily have to be a RT. stefen wisniewski or rodney hudson could both be worth a mid round pick. to assume people don't analyze what they say because they make suggestions you don't agree with is a bit off base. my whole point was that our first round pick doesn't have to be taken on a qb. there will be good qbs available in the second round |
I agree it's "possible." But you're naming people who were picked in the interior in those positions. Logically saying that people are picked in those spots means we are likely to be able to draft quality players at those spots are entirely different. I agree with you that "if" an interior lineman or RT at that position is available worth that pick, "then" we can pick them. But you stated it as our primary draft objective, and that's very, very unlikely. Even though I agree with you it's "possible." |
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langleyparkjoe
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| Wait, I thought Arizona had Jake first and then Denver had him after? No? |
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chiefhog44
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| langleyparkjoe wrote: | | Wait, I thought Arizona had Jake first and then Denver had him after? No? |
They did. He had a QB rating in 2002 of like 56 and was cast off. Shannahan picked him up and made him into a pro bowl player |
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Red_One43
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| TCIYM wrote: | | I don't know that anyone wanting Cooley moved could be considered a Redskins fan. |
Wow! This is coming from a person who is pretty consistent on posting negative stuff about the Redskins. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Jeremy81 wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Jeremy81 wrote: | | I don't think locker or mallet will be available by the time we pick. I wouldn't mind waiting on qb until the second round. Maybe a guy like Andy Dalton and picking up a stud OL in the first or maybe a julio Jones. I just think the top 4 qbs will be gone by the time we pick |
There is very little chance we're going OL in the first round because we don't need an LT and anywhere else it's a stretch pick. The only way is if a very good RT is available, but that's in the long shot category. People like tossing out the go OL in the first round w/o analyzing what they are saying. A receiver is definitely possible though. I'm hoping we get a good 3-4 DL or LB. But drafting for position is a mistake we're not likely to make as Shanny is smart enough to avoid that trap, so it really depends who's there. |
i'm not suggesting we take another LT with our pick. we're not going to have a top ten pick. picking a great G or C with a pick in the teens is not all that obsurd. Iupati and pouncey were both picked in the teens. it's doesn't neccessarily have to be a RT. stefen wisniewski or rodney hudson could both be worth a mid round pick. to assume people don't analyze what they say because they make suggestions you don't agree with is a bit off base. my whole point was that our first round pick doesn't have to be taken on a qb. there will be good qbs available in the second round |
Have you looked at this year's draft class? OL is extremely weak this year. It's highly probable that no offensive lineman, including a LT, will go in the top 10. That is EXTREMELY rare. Drafting an OL, unless we trade down, at our position in the draft would be monumentally stupid when this draft is heavy at positions of need, especially qb and wr. |
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chiefhog44
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Let's look at this.
Carolina - Picked Clausen last year
Denver - Has Orton AND Tebow
Buffalo - Luck doesn't drop any further from here.
Cincinnati - Palmer started playing very well once those bozo's we're out doubt they pick anyone up here.
Arizona - Would they trade down for McNabb??? Very interesting.
Cleveland - Mccoy
San Fran - Still have to think Smith is in there now that Singletary is out
Tenn - Owner wants Young
Dallas - Homo
Washington - Looking at a full deck of QB's at this position minue Luck. Could we trade up with Arizona for Mcnabb and #11, then up to 3 with Buffalo? Anybody know what the point's needed to trade from 5 to 3? |
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Red_One43
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| chiefhog44 wrote: | Let's look at this.
Carolina - Picked Clausen last year
Denver - Has Orton AND Tebow
Buffalo - Luck doesn't drop any further from here.
Cincinnati - Palmer started playing very well once those bozo's we're out doubt they pick anyone up here.
Arizona - Would they trade down for McNabb??? Very interesting.
Cleveland - Mccoy
San Fran - Still have to think Smith is in there now that Singletary is out
Tenn - Owner wants Young
Dallas - Homo
Washington - Looking at a full deck of QB's at this position minue Luck. Could we trade up with Arizona for Mcnabb and #11, then up to 3 with Buffalo? Anybody know what the point's needed to trade from 5 to 3? |
If the Cards think that Skelton is the QB of their future then it is plausible that the Cards could trade down in a trade that would include McNabb with McNabb holding the reins for Skelton, but I have no idea hwo they felt about Skelton's evaluation; however from what you posted it seems very likely that the QB Shanny wants might be available. |
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