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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:56 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:The last picture's enough for me.. if this is whats going on in the Tea Party, I want no part of that (I googled Tea Party signs). However let me just say this though friends, no matter WHO is in the office EVERYONE will have an issue regardless of race/creed/color.. the irony... and no, I'm not too fond of Obama either but I'm also the same guy who thinks Bush is a retard but I still support him because he was our leader. Kazzo, I respect you friend, you believe in equal rights to all and all the proper things but not many in your camp do bro... and obviously you can't judge a movement because of some jerks, I can TOTALLY understand that too my friend.


Langley, this is just the smear campaign against them. It's how far the left will go to get more government. What is whacked out is the belief the path to liberty is through the power of government. But you threaten the feed bag of the lazy and this is how far they will go to attack you. This is not representative at all of the tea party movement. The tea party is about less government and race has nothing to do with it.
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Postby langleyparkjoe » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:10 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:The last picture's enough for me.. if this is whats going on in the Tea Party, I want no part of that (I googled Tea Party signs). However let me just say this though friends, no matter WHO is in the office EVERYONE will have an issue regardless of race/creed/color.. the irony... and no, I'm not too fond of Obama either but I'm also the same guy who thinks Bush is a retard but I still support him because he was our leader. Kazzo, I respect you friend, you believe in equal rights to all and all the proper things but not many in your camp do bro... and obviously you can't judge a movement because of some jerks, I can TOTALLY understand that too my friend.


Langley, this is just the smear campaign against them. It's how far the left will go to get more government. What is whacked out is the belief the path to liberty is through the power of government. But you threaten the feed bag of the lazy and this is how far they will go to attack you. This is not representative at all of the tea party movement. The tea party is about less government and race has nothing to do with it.


True true, what I forgot to add was that every 1 of those I found, I found at least 10 signs that were logical and whitty.
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Postby Deadskins » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:15 pm

She is obviously being positioned for a Presidential bid in 2012. She'll most likely run as a Republican, though. The Tea Party association is just to lure back those who feel left out by the Rs.


Sigh! It doesn't really matter, though, the candidates from every party just keep getting worse and worse. The denominators just keep getting lowered. I'm surprised you really believe that the people can ever get real representation back at this point.
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:03 pm

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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:05 pm

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kaz wrote:Langley, this is just the smear campaign against them. It's how far the left will go to get more government. What is whacked out is the belief the path to liberty is through the power of government. But you threaten the feed bag of the lazy and this is how far they will go to attack you. This is not representative at all of the tea party movement. The tea party is about less government and race has nothing to do with it.


True true, what I forgot to add was that every 1 of those I found, I found at least 10 signs that were logical and whitty.

Some data...

"About 61 percent of tea party opponents say racism has a lot to do with the movement, a view held by just 7 percent of tea party supporters."

Washington Post wrote:Emily Ekins, a graduate student at UCLA, conducted the survey at the 9/12 Taxpayer March on Washington last month by scouring the crowd, row by row and hour by hour, and taking a picture of every sign she passed.

"Ekins photographed about 250 signs, and more than half of those she saw reflected a "limited government ethos," she found - touching on such topics as the role of government, liberty, taxes, spending, deficit and concern about socialism. Examples ranged from the simple message "$top the $pending" scrawled in black-marker block letters to more elaborate drawings of bar charts, stop signs and one poster with the slogan "Socialism is Legal Theft" and a stick-figure socialist pointing a gun at the head of a taxpayer.

There were uglier messages, too - including "Obama Bin Lyin' - Impeach Now" and "Somewhere in Kenya a Village is Missing its Idiot." But Ekins's analysis showed that only about a quarter of all signs reflected direct anger with Obama. Only 5 percent of the total mentioned the president's race or religion, and slightly more than 1 percent questioned his American citizenship."


The source of this? Some right wing agenda publication? Hardly, the Washington Post. I know you're a fair guy Langley, and this is the reality of not being left in this country. The left's views are front and center every day across the liberal media. If you're right, you're defending yourselves against charges of racism. I'm not saying no racist sees it as an opportunity to get attention. But the media and the Democrats just use them to be the focus. There is no honest debate in this country because the left controls the discussion. That's changing with the new media, but we're not there.

And it works. look how many people when you say "Palin" or "Tea Party" start screaming racist, racist. When asked they say oh, they are politicians. Asked for explanations of why no one else gets that treatment from them, they deflect and drop it without ever answering that. Oh, say in this thread.
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Postby Cappster » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:54 am

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Cappster wrote:I am referring to the way she has been milking the people who believe what she says to make $$$$. I feel like she is using people for her own monetary gain by spewing her rhetoric to people with questionable intelligence. I can't really blame her for making money, but I do not agree with the method she is using to go about making her money

What are you basing it on that she's doing that?

Cappster wrote:And how are my views now liberal? Just because I don't agree with the tea party movement doesn't mean that I am a leftist thinking individual. I look at each issue individually with full disregard of which party supports my viewpoint.

I guess it's just my perception. The Tea Party is the only major group today who are fighting for the people against oppressive government. Yet you keep calling them stupid and ignorant. Both parties are supporting unending growth in government, I don't see you jumping into anything there passionately attacking that. What is ignorant about thinking government needs to actually be limited?


I am basing it on the book that she wrote after the 2008 presidential election "going rogue." Quitting her duties as governor of Alaska to stay in the national spotlight and gain supporters. Going to work for faux news. Getting paid handsomely to speak out at tea party rallies. Having her tv show on TLC. She probably even put her daughter on DWTS. Again, I can't blame her for making money, but I feel as though she blows a lot of hot air and doesn't produce any goods.

And about limited government...See, what people fail to realize is that very few politicians are in favor of a smaller government. They just concentrate on the areas of the government that want to have the most influence over our lives. I mean what services do they want to reduce? Defense spending? haha The same people who want a smaller government are the same ones who want to spend lots of money on weapons of mass destruction to blow up our "enemies." You cannot have your cake and eat it too as in you cannot reduce taxes without reducing services available. Not to mention unemployment would skyrocket with the loss of federal jobs. I just don't believe any politician is going to reduce the role of influence government has, because once they get a taste they realize the privileges they have are pretty good.

I don't understand the "take my country back" slogan that engulfs the tea party. Take it back to what? 1800 so white privilege can be predominate once again?
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:54 am

Cappster wrote:Take it back to what? 1800 so white privilege can be predominate once again?

Here you go, the level of your contribution to the discussion. Thanks for that insight. You say you see the sides the same, but one side you viciously attack with ignorant posts like this that to want smaller government is racist and the other side you just say, oh, they're the same...
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Postby Cappster » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:05 am

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Cappster wrote:Take it back to what? 1800 so white privilege can be predominate once again?

Here you go, the level of your contribution to the discussion. Thanks for that insight.


I provide the insight from the tea baggers I personally know who are prejudice. It is the culture that is relative to me and I cannot help if you do not agree with that. And that little stat you put up about tea baggers not saying race was a big deal in their decision making is bs. Racist usually aren't going to say "I hate black people" out in the open. I am not saying all tea baggers are racist, but a measly 7 percent is just ludicrous.

One thing people from the left, the wrong, and completely irrational all have in common is the failure to rationalize any viewpoints other than their own.
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:36 am

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KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Cappster wrote:Take it back to what? 1800 so white privilege can be predominate once again?

Here you go, the level of your contribution to the discussion. Thanks for that insight.


I provide the insight from the tea baggers I personally know who are prejudice. It is the culture that is relative to me and I cannot help if you do not agree with that. And that little stat you put up about tea baggers not saying race was a big deal in their decision making is bs. Racist usually aren't going to say "I hate black people" out in the open. I am not saying all tea baggers are racist, but a measly 7 percent is just ludicrous.

One thing people from the left, the wrong, and completely irrational all have in common is the failure to rationalize any viewpoints other than their own.


"insight" ROTFALMAO. We hear that "insight" from Democrats and the liberal media every day...

There are a lot of people in this country who are sick of the spiraling size of government in this country. The Democrats have been for decades that if you are black or a woman or Hispanic... and not liberal you will get nothing but attacked for your race, sex, ethnicity... Republicans are full hate, they want corporations to control the country. Democrats do nothing but ad hominem attacks because you can't defend liberalism logically. It doesn't work, it's a collectivist ideology. So, you attack the other side personally.

The Tea Party movement is a minority of people who just want the smaller government message to be heard. Government actually isn't the solution to all our problems. What a racist, wacko message. You're not only willing to hook line and sinker buy the most extreme left wing hatred of that threat but be their flag bearer. If it moves, point and scream "racist, racist." Yeah, that's adding to the political climate in this country. You say you don't trust politicians, but what you are doing is completely serving to their destroy any threat to their power agenda. It's the complete frustration anyone who hasn't sold out to them in the intellectually lazy and reality challenged pursuit of easy, pain free solutions. We will not only not be heard, but we will be attacked and the more we are heard the more extreme and desperate those attacks will be.
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:47 am

So Cappster, do you have any comment on the actual Tea Party views or is it just we're racists? So you think we'd be OK with a white liberal President? They'd get it easy like Slick did or white liberal candidates like Kerry or Gore?

You know, I don't know about this Gore fellow as President. I mean he's liberal so I GUESS I don't want him. But he is white, so I guess it's not too bad. Yeah, that's what we said...
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Postby Cappster » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:54 am

I actually agree that the government is getting too big and spends too much. I don't agree with the healthcare law that was passed or with how the government can spy on us in the name of national security. That is just name a couple things. I am of the belief that government can serve a useful role in our lives, but radical ideologies from the people who run the country or want to run the "land of the free" is whats slowly eroding away or rights and liberties.

Again, with the whole racist issue...I speak from personal experience from people I know who support the tea party. This world and its cultures are relative to individuals and the experiences each one of us go through. When I've heard tea baggers call Obama a watermelon eating monkey or say he denies his "white" side I take offense to it. A major reason why is, because I have a mixed child. I don't care if they call him a socialist, but when racial connotations are added in then thats when I have a problem.
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Postby Cappster » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:08 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:So Cappster, do you have any comment on the actual Tea Party views or is it just we're racists? So you think we'd be OK with a white liberal President? They'd get it easy like Slick did or white liberal candidates like Kerry or Gore?

You know, I don't know about this Gore fellow as President. I mean he's liberal so I GUESS I don't want him. But he is white, so I guess it's not too bad. Yeah, that's what we said...


The problem I have is they want to talk about shrinking the government, but have not heard of any realistic plan on how to do so. Reminds me of the argument of shipping all illegals back to Mexico when realistically it just isn't going to happen. Shrink government and you lose not on federal employees, but state and local employees. Not to mention the amount of contractors who are tied into working for the government as well. I hear a lot of rhetoric from all sides. For example: The want a smaller government, but want to tell people who they can or cannot marry (gay marriage).

I don't care what color the president is as long as he/she/it stands on their own accord and doesn't buy into special interests groups. I know that is a pipe dream, but I can still hope that the system can be fixed and we can have a government that truly is "for the people, by the people."
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Postby Countertrey » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:23 pm

Cappster wrote: I provide the insight from the tea baggers I personally know who are prejudice. It is the culture that is relative to me and I cannot help if you do not agree with that.


"tea baggers".

"racists"

Your agenda is showing. Frankly, I'm astonished that Kazoo is still engaging you.
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:02 pm

Countertrey wrote:"tea baggers".

"racists"

Your agenda is showing. Frankly, I'm astonished that Kazoo is still engaging you.

What I like is when the left says the reason they are losing is they are too nice. They aren't organized and able to attack like the Right is. What are they thinking they need to be doing? Gunning down Republican's children as they come out of schools?
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Postby Cappster » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:16 pm

Countertrey wrote:
Cappster wrote: I provide the insight from the tea baggers I personally know who are prejudice. It is the culture that is relative to me and I cannot help if you do not agree with that.


"tea baggers".

"racists"

Your agenda is showing. Frankly, I'm astonished that Kazoo is still engaging you.


What agenda do I have? Please, clue me in on it, because I am curious to know what agenda am I fighting for :scratching head:. I just have personal opinions from what I observe and things I have dealt with in my life. Again, my viewpoints are relative to my own personal experiences and I have stated that repeatedly.

I have addressed other points as to why I don't like the tea bagging party, but no one wants to address anything other than the racial sticking point. I also think its rather amusing Kaz wants to label me as a liberal since I have never voted for a democratic candidate in my entire voting life.
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