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crazyhorse1
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Irn-Bru wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | The Portable Atheist, by Christopher Hitchens. Dozens of essays by world's greatest thinkers and writers. To mention a few: John Stuart Mill, Karl Marx, Charles Darwin, Mark Twain, H. L. Mencken, Albert Einstein, Richard Dawkins, Salman Rushdie, Percy Shelley, etc. A huge collection, including definitive refutations of proofs, classical and other wise. Proof by natural order comes under fire, as well as proofs by such as Aristotle, Augustine, Aquinas, none of which are taken seriously now. |
Nonresponsive. |
I was asked what book I was referring to and I answered. What is nonresponsive about that? |
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Irn-Bru
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I knew which book you were talking about. |
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crazyhorse1
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:34 am Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | There is mathematical "proof" for the idea about nothingness |
Sorry, you fundamentally don't understand the field of mathematics. No mathematician would say this. They would say it is a logical calculation only, they would never say math proved the real world. What they say is that math can lead us to a logical conclusion, but only empirical data can "prove" they were correct.
If you read any of the greats like Brian Greene's book on string theory and the number of dimensions, Einstein or any of the others, they say exactly that. Research and not their calculations will prove their models right or wrong. They viewed their models as guides for empirical testing. |
Note I put "proof" in quotes. In science, nothing is absolute. However, there is more "logical calculation" behind the "nothingness" concept than the "God" concept, which has as much "proof" as the tooth fairy. |
"Proof" in quotes didn't fix it when the word was used incorrectly. Hawking doesn't even argue there is no God, he says it's not necessary. He doesn't want the existence of the universe to be proof in itself there is a God.
Steven Hawking: "It is not necessary to invoke God to ... set the Universe going."
As for your argument that science is at conflict with God, you're only talking about the creationist ostriches, who while being a large group are a clear minority of Christians. For the rest, that God created science and that was the method he used to create the universe is a viable answer. No, that doesn't prove God exists. But Hawking neither set about proving God doesn't exist nor made that argument. |
It's impossible to prove the nonexistence of God. Being an atheist does not require such a feat. It only requires non-belief. |
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Deadskins
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| crazyhorse1 wrote: | | It's impossible to prove the nonexistence of God. |
Then you can't state that He doesn't exist. |
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Mississippiskinsfan2
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | It's impossible to prove the nonexistence of God. |
Then you can't state that He doesn't exist. |
Well that would work both ways then |
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Deadskins
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | It's impossible to prove the nonexistence of God. |
Then you can't state that He doesn't exist. |
Well that would work both ways then |
Which was my point. 
Just as you say I can't prove God's existence, you can't prove God's non-existence. So believe what you believe and be happy.  |
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Mississippiskinsfan2
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | It's impossible to prove the nonexistence of God. |
Then you can't state that He doesn't exist. |
Well that would work both ways then |
Which was my point.
Just as you say I can't prove God's existence, you can't prove God's non-existence. So believe what you believe and be happy. |
 Sorry, people around here are a lot more hard headed with thier thoughts on this so not use to someone being willing to see it from both sides. |
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crazyhorse1
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | It's impossible to prove the nonexistence of God. |
Then you can't state that He doesn't exist. |
Well that would work both ways then |
Which was my point.
Just as you say I can't prove God's existence, you can't prove God's non-existence. So believe what you believe and be happy. |
Good idea. |
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langleyparkjoe
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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*TEBOWING*
and then..
*GRIFFINING*
God's awesome, whether real or not.
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crazyhorse1
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| langleyparkjoe wrote: | *TEBOWING*
and then..
*GRIFFINING*
God's awesome, whether real or not.
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God's also horrible, if he exists. No need to recite all the evidence. |
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langleyparkjoe
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| crazyhorse1 wrote: | | langleyparkjoe wrote: | *TEBOWING*
and then..
*GRIFFINING*
God's awesome, whether real or not.
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God's also horrible, if he exists. No need to recite all the evidence. |
There's evidence?????  |
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Deadskins
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| langleyparkjoe wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | langleyparkjoe wrote: | *TEBOWING*
and then..
*GRIFFINING*
God's awesome, whether real or not.
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God's also horrible, if he exists. No need to recite all the evidence. |
There's evidence????? |
Good point, Joe! |
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crazyhorse1
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| langleyparkjoe wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | langleyparkjoe wrote: | *TEBOWING*
and then..
*GRIFFINING*
God's awesome, whether real or not.
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God's also horrible, if he exists. No need to recite all the evidence. |
There's evidence????? |
Disease, wars, death of children, torture, evil, Holocaust, etc. |
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Deadskins
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| So you admit there's evidence? |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Atheism? |
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| crazyhorse1 wrote: | | langleyparkjoe wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | langleyparkjoe wrote: | *TEBOWING*
and then..
*GRIFFINING*
God's awesome, whether real or not.
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God's also horrible, if he exists. No need to recite all the evidence. |
There's evidence????? |
Disease, wars, death of children, torture, evil, Holocaust, etc. |
So your teacher is horrible if they let you get a bad grade for not studying enough? Your parents are horrible if you don't get an allowance for not doing your chores? Trials are how people grow. If everything went right in my life and there were no consequences for my poor choices, I wouldn't grow and I wouldn't appreciate what I had.
We have the power to be happy, no "horrible" God would give us that power. Those are examples of an intelligent God, not a horrible one. One who believes that personal responsibility goes with personal freedom, something more and more lacking in this country right now. |
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