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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| welch wrote: | I well remember the Buddy Ryan Eagle "body-bag" game.
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Funny you should bring up Buddy Ryan, because this is all tired back to him.
This is something that happens with most teams with coaches from the Ryan coaching tree. So if you penalize the Skins you have to penalize the Saints, Titans, Bills, Jets, Raiders, Cowgirls, Bears, Egirls, and next year the Rams.
Any place Fisher, GW, Buddy, or his boys have coached I GUARANTEE this system has been used our will be used! |
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Countertrey
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't imagine that, if practiced by Williams in DC, Gibbs did not know about it. Players talk. Talk gets back. Just how it is. I want to remind you, that under Gibbs II, the very-public "Hit Stick" originated, and was passed from player to player. The Hit Stick is/was a trophy for big time, punishing hits (I don't know if it's still passed around). |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Countertrey wrote: | | I can't imagine that, if practiced by Williams in DC, Gibbs did not know about it. Players talk. Talk gets back. Just how it is. I want to remind you, that under Gibbs II, the very-public "Hit Stick" originated, and was passed from player to player. The Hit Stick is/was a trophy for big time, punishing hits (I don't know if it's still passed around). |
A good hard, punishing hit is one thing. Trying to intentionally injure another player is another all together. |
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BossHog
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Countertrey
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | I can't imagine that, if practiced by Williams in DC, Gibbs did not know about it. Players talk. Talk gets back. Just how it is. I want to remind you, that under Gibbs II, the very-public "Hit Stick" originated, and was passed from player to player. The Hit Stick is/was a trophy for big time, punishing hits (I don't know if it's still passed around). |
A good hard, punishing hit is one thing. Trying to intentionally injure another player is another all together. |
Don't miss the point... if Williams was running this in DC... I don't believe Gibbs didn't know about it.
And... I'm perfectly fine with that. Except for some viscious, but clean stuff by ST and Landry, I can't recall anything ever dirty or clearly deliberate. Both of them simply understood the mechanics of the hit, and leveraging the greatest impact. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| If the guys were making clean hits, I don't care. |
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Countertrey
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Agree... |
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welch
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| Countertrey wrote: | | Agree... |
And I agree that Gibbs usually knew everything, and could have known about a bounty system. Generally, he let Petibon coach the defense while he coached the offense, but Gibbs was so thorough that he would have known about a bounty system.
With the Gregg Williams defense, it bothers me that he seems to have paid a defensive player to injure someone. |
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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| welch wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | Agree... |
And I agree that Gibbs usually knew everything, and could have known about a bounty system. Generally, he let Petibon coach the defense while he coached the offense, but Gibbs was so thorough that he would have known about a bounty system.
With the Gregg Williams defense, it bothers me that he seems to have paid a defensive player to injure someone. |
This is a Buddy Ryan thing. Any coach with connections to him has done this at some point and time!
What bothers me is the NFL is going to pretend they knew nothing about this. That is total BS! They are going to punish teams for doing something that they knew was going on.
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Countertrey
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DarthMonk
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PulpExposure
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| welch wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | Agree... |
And I agree that Gibbs usually knew everything, and could have known about a bounty system. Generally, he let Petibon coach the defense while he coached the offense, but Gibbs was so thorough that he would have known about a bounty system. |
Gibbs apparently didn't know when Wiliams started 10 players in a game after Sean Taylor's death.[/quote]
That tells me there's probably a good chance he didn't know what GreGGG was doing most of the time. |
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Countertrey
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| PulpExposure wrote: | | welch wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | Agree... |
And I agree that Gibbs usually knew everything, and could have known about a bounty system. Generally, he let Petibon coach the defense while he coached the offense, but Gibbs was so thorough that he would have known about a bounty system. |
Gibbs apparently didn't [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3138182]know when Wiliams started 10 players in a game after Sean Taylor's death. |
That tells me there's probably a good chance he didn't know what GreGGG was doing most of the time.[/quote] Williams may have been the only one who knew about the 10 player thing... MULTIPLE people knew about the Bounty thing... players talk... players brag... Sorry... don't buy it. Gibbs is a great, and decent guy... but he was also a coach who cut his teeth on hard nosed football... and he is and was no chump. He either knew... or suspected, and didn't want to know (which is the same thing). |
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Countertrey
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So? If the implication was that this was deliberate, I gotta call BS. This was a bang-bang play, with a high-low front and back concurrent hits. If either hits him alone, it's just a tackle. |
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DarthMonk
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:53 am Post subject: |
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So? If the implication was that this was deliberate, I gotta call BS. This was a bang-bang play, with a high-low front and back concurrent hits. If either hits him alone, it's just a tackle. |
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
Dungy pointed to this play back in September before any of this. This certainly adds fuel to the fire.
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