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Chris Luva Luva
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| GODdell needed to be checked... |
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The Hogster
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| SkinsJock wrote: | just a reminder
the NFL players, as part of the CBA, agreed to EVERYTHING regarding the way that Goodell 'managed' things in the current agreement
the players did NOT want a committee to review their behaviour
IF THEY HAD, it would have been a part of the CBA
there are only a few NFL players that get arrested or get in trouble
the rest of the players (those that do not get in trouble) could care a less about those idiots
the majority of the NFL players were ONLY interested in the money coming to them
they did not try and change ANYTHING to do with the way that the NFL (AND Goodell) manage things
that being said - the union is going to try and fight this ... but  |
Wrong. The players pushed to take Goodell's power away in handing out these punishments. But, they were rebuffed. Such is life in negotiations. But to say they didn't want another process is factually inaccurate.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/18953261/union-had-no-choice-but-to-give-power-to-goodell
| Quote: | Sources from both sides tell a similar story of those final hours. The union wanted to take away some of Goodell's power over discipline issues and Goodell wanted to keep it. The union pushed for a truly independent arbitration system and focused on eradicating an appeals process where appeals go before Goodell after Goodell is the one who first institutes the punishement. But the NFL refused.
Back and forth they went. No one was giving in. Time was running out.
The biggest question from many in wake of Goodell's punishment of the New Orleans players over the illegal bounty system has been this: why did the union not continue the fight? It's a question even some players have been asking.
The answer is simple. Goodell wasn't giving up that power and if the union wanted it they would have had to sacrifice the season to get it. It's that simple.
So when people say and write that the union collectively bargained the appeals system they despise that is technically true. But it's not totally accurate. A fight would have meant the death of football this year. That's not hyperbole. Goodell wasn't bluffing. Owners would have been hurt by the loss of the season, no question, but players would have been devastated. |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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We are lucky that this site has so many posters that know what they are doing and can help fans like me get an idea of what is going on
the players may have wanted to curb Goodell's powers but ...
it's obvious that the players were more interested in getting their money than 'helping' the few players that might anger Goodell by their antics or not behaving within the rules set down by the NFL
the CBA as it stands has left the commish with the whip in his hand and he's using it
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The Hogster
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Way to post an article that says nothing to support what you said. You were wrong. It happens--often for you. Get over it. |
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Countertrey
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Just as a reminder... this thread ISN'T smack. Personal attacks, even if veiled as "they" will do nothing more than drag this thread into the sewer. Take it to smack if you have a need to personalize your editorial voice.
Back to topic.
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SkinsJock
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^^ whew 
without further ado -
The NFL has announced that they'll be having hearings on the player stuff this Wednesday, May 16th |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Godahell is an ass but ...
The owner of the Saints, the former HC and the defensive coach, have basically, by their inaction, admitted to being at fault
The players association was encouraged by the NFL to show anything that would prevent the actions that happened - they did not
now the players want to say that there was nothing going on - one (Vilma) has sued Godahell - ostensibly to force the NFL into revealing they have no evidence
IF evidence is provided by the NFL (and we now hear that the NFL is going to reveal it) then I hope the players get smacked big time for basically lying to all of us & claiming that no player would take out a bounty on another player
IF the evidence is not there, as the player's claim - I hope the NFL gets rid of Goodell for this |
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yupchagee
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| SkinsJock wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | Nothing good can come from Congress getting involved
Period. |
fixed it for you  |
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yupchagee
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Oxymoron? |
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SkinsJock
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Oxymoron? |
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emoses14
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Oxymoron? |
a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”
What?
Oh you weren't asking for a definition?
Ahh, you were making a funny lawyer joke.
Ha. Ha. H. . .  |
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SkinsJock
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| emoses14 wrote: | | yupchagee wrote: | | Quote: | SkinsJock wrote:
and this from a legal person that has some intelligence |
Oxymoron? |
Ahh, you were making a funny lawyer joke. |
Oxymoron? 
although both Godahell and De Maurice have no sense of humor they are funny - in the head - like a lot of other lawyers |
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SkinsJock
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I think Godahell has a lot of problems here ....
why suspend Suh and Haynesworth for 2 games for what they very obviously did and then give Vilma a season for what he reportedly did?
Haynesworth actually tried to kick a player in the head that was both lying on the ground and not wearing a helmet 
The Saints top people must know that what went on there was terribly out of line OR we would be hearing something from Benson, Loomis, Peyton and Williams?
performance incentives involving hurting other players are not technically legal in the NFL but it goes on all the time - what went on there PLUS the lying must be why the punishments were so harsh
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why the severity of the punishments handed out to the players?
there's a lot more here .... OR ... for Godahell's sake, there had better be |
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