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| Which QB would you like to see the skins draft? |
| Luck |
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| RGIII |
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Red_One43
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Cosell deems RG3 a “superior arm talent and natural passer” to Luck
NFL Films’ Greg Cosell, perhaps the most prolific game-tape watcher of the sport today, indicated in a recent comparative essay that he doesn’t disagree with Hoge.
Cosell says he watched five tapes of each player. As Hoge also acknowledged, Cosell entered the film sessions with the impression that Luck “was the most NFL-ready quarterback to come out since Peyton Manning.”
By the end of his film work, however, Cosell concluded that Griffin is “a superior arm talent and natural passer” to Luck.
“Luck was not a special passer based on film study,” wrote Cosell. “He is not the same kind of arm talent as Matthew Stafford or Cam Newton. … Luck was an economical player who was at his best as a timing and rhythm, short to intermediate passer.”
Cosell did credit Luck for his masterful ability to call plays and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage, calling it an “essential attribute as [Luck] transitions to the NFL.”
Based strictly on game tape, however, RG3 was the more remarkable quarterback.
“What immediately jumped out was his arm strength,” Cosell wrote. “… Griffin, for a power thrower, was consistently accurate. The better term for accuracy is ball location. That’s what allows receivers to run after the catch. Griffin excelled in that area.”
Cosell went on to praise Griffin’s “composure in the pocket” as better than Luck’s, as well as RG3′s ability to throw from different arm angles while maintaining consistent accuracy. Cosell suggested that Griffin, despite playing in Baylor’s spread scheme, was less of a system quarterback than Luck, who was “managed and manipulated by his offense.”
So maybe the Colts do have a decision to make at No. 1 overall.
Or maybe the Redskins are getting the best quarterback in the draft. |
Those of you who know of Greg Cosell know that is opinion is well respected around the NFL. How well does Irsay respect Greg Cosell?
All I know is we are sitting pretty. No matter who we get, RGIII or Griffin, each will thrive in this offense.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/24/cosell-deems-rg3-a-superior-arm-talent-and-natural-passer-to-luck/ |
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Deadskins
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Location: Location, LOCATION!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| I wish there wasn't still so much time before the draft. I also hope Irsay is too stubborn or stupid to change his mind. |
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DarthMonk
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Everywhere I look people are predicting RG3 will go to Colts. Anything solid out there about Colts taking Luck that's recent? |
All major mocks since 3/21.
Lotsa Luck.
NFL Mock Draft Site Date No. 1 No. 2 No. 3 No. 4 No. 5
New NFL Draft: Blake 3/25 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
The Sports Hound 3/25 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
New NFL Draft: Josh 3/25 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
NFL Draft War Room: Zack 3/25 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
New NFL Draft: Spenser 3/25 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil M.Claiborne T.Richardson
New Sport Draft 3/25 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil J.Blackmon T.Richardson
Press Box Scouting 3/25 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Ourlads 3/24 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Cowboys Confidential 3/24 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
NFL Pro Zach: Butcher 3/24 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil R.Tannehill M.Claiborne
EDSFootball.com: Hanson 3/24 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
New NFL Draft 3/24 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil M.Claiborne T.Richardson
Miami Dolphins Draft: Chad 3/24 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil J.Blackmon M.Claiborne
NFL Spin Zone: Sanchez 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
The NFL Draft Guru 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil J.Blackmon T.Richardson
Draft Tek 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
New NFL Draft: Kenny 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil R.Tannehill T.Richardson
The Red Mieni 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
NFL Mocks: Jesse 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Your NFL Draft 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil J.Blackmon R.Reiff
FF Toolbox: De Lima 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil R.Tannehill T.Richardson
GMen HQ 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil R.Tannehill M.Claiborne
Fantasy CPR 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
New NFL Draft: Santos 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
FF Toolbox: Warner 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Fanspeak.com: Willy 3/23 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil R.Tannehill T.Richardson
FF Toolbox: Christiansen 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Colin Kapp 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil R.Tannehill M.Claiborne
Pro Football Talk 3/22 R.Griffin A.Luck M.Kalil M.Claiborne T.Richardson
Draft Debacled: Boston Faded 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil J.Blackmon M.Claiborne
Guy's NFL Draft Locker Room 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil R.Tannehill T.Richardson
New NFL Draft: Matt G 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil M.Claiborne T.Richardson
Draft Site 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil J.Blackmon M.Claiborne
Extra Point 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Draft Debacled: Shasta 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Real Sports Hype 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
SportSmasher 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil M.Claiborne T.Richardson
College Sports Madness: Welser 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Draft Season: Lomas 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Vikings Territory: Adam 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil M.Claiborne T.Richardson
New NFL Draft: Dave 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil R.Tannehill T.Richardson
Bleacher Report: Kruse 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil M.Claiborne T.Richardson
Bleacher Report: Langford 3/22 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil M.Claiborne T.Richardson
WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Mock Draft 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil R.Tannehill T.Richardson
Expert Mock Draft 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Pats Draft 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil J.Blackmon M.Claiborne
Weller and Bryan's 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson L.Kuechly
NFL News and Rumors 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
NFL Trade Rumors 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
NFL.com: Casserly 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Bolt Beat 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Seahawks Draft Blog 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
Draft Debacled: Zappa 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil R.Tannehill T.Richardson
Fanspeak.com: Steve 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil T.Richardson M.Claiborne
National Football Post 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Claiborne M.Kalil T.Richardson
Bleacher Report: Lorge 3/21 A.Luck R.Griffin M.Kalil M.Claiborne T.Richardson |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The buzz about Robert Griffin being chosen ahead of Andrew Luck doesn’t fly with a lot of astute NFL front office men.
It’s common for a player who has been No. 1 for a long time to start getting knocked close to the draft, however, why do a good portion of talent evaluators like Luck more? He has performed at a high level for four years compared to one for RGIII and is further along. He played a pro style offense whereas RGIII played in an unconventional offense. He shows better ball placement. He is better at avoiding pressure in the pocket, working through progressions and finding open men. He is stronger and sturdier.
The argument for RGII is that he has better arm strength and might have a higher ceiling. But many NFL men think Luck remains the surest bet in the draft, and that matters when the player goes No. 1 overall.
Dan Pomepi covers pro football for the Chicago Tribune.
Follow Pompei on Twitter: @danpompei |
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Luck-or-RGIII-Who-is-No1.html |
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DarthMonk
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| markshark84 wrote: | | riggofan wrote: | | Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck. |
I think a good deal of the RGIII votes are being made based on the inevitability that the skins are going to draft RGIII. |
I'm not saying you are wrong but ... based on what?
The results in the "I Want the Colts to Pick ..." thread in Around the League have essentially the same ratio of desire for RGIII in DC.
I'm thinking about visiting a Colt board (not trolling) and seeing how they feel.
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langleyparkjoe
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| DarthMonk wrote: | | markshark84 wrote: | | riggofan wrote: | | Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck. |
I think a good deal of the RGIII votes are being made based on the inevitability that the skins are going to draft RGIII. |
I'm not saying you are wrong but ... based on what?
The results in the "I Want the Colts to Pick ..." thread in Around the League have essentially the same ratio of desire for RGIII in DC.
I'm thinking about visiting a Colt board (not trolling) and seeing how they feel.
DarthMonk |
Ok nice one DM, I see where you first thought of the idea.
I feel people really do want RG3 here because we've never had a player as exciting to watch move on the field. Obviously I'm comparing his excitement to someone like Vick or Cam because of his mobility and arm strength.
Still though, I have zero problems if we get "Lucky".  |
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markshark84
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| DarthMonk wrote: | | markshark84 wrote: | | riggofan wrote: | | Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck. |
I think a good deal of the RGIII votes are being made based on the inevitability that the skins are going to draft RGIII. |
I'm not saying you are wrong but ... based on what?
The results in the "I Want the Colts to Pick ..." thread in Around the League have essentially the same ratio of desire for RGIII in DC.
I'm thinking about visiting a Colt board (not trolling) and seeing how they feel.
DarthMonk |
I went onto 2 different Colt boards/forums (I didn't post anything, just read) and basically 90-100% want Luck. A number/the majority of Indy eposters criticize anyone in the media that even compares RGIII to Luck.
That was one of the major reasons behind my theory that members of the THN are selecting RGIII because of the inevitability of him coming to DC. |
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Countertrey
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| markshark84 wrote: | I went onto 2 different Colt boards/forums (I didn't post anything, just read) and basically 90-100% want Luck. A number/the majority of Indy eposters criticize anyone in the media that even compares RGIII to Luck.
That was one of the major reasons behind my theory that members of the THN are selecting RGIII because of the inevitability of him coming to DC. |
There is a truth here. One of the members (unfortunatly, I can't remember whom... but I'd love to give credit) made an analogy to having a huge crush on a fine, fine, lady... but, as time goes on, it becomes clear, it's not to be... then that sort-of cute chick starts to come of age, and really looks pretty darned fine now... and is intelligent, and funny, and bright, and is interested in YOU!... well, you start to invest, and it's a really good thing... so, at some point, she becomes your preferred partner... and, you can't lose..
That's when SkinsJock becomes stiff for Griff. 
I'm done now.  |
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Kilmer72
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DarthMonk
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| Countertrey wrote: | | markshark84 wrote: | I went onto 2 different Colt boards/forums (I didn't post anything, just read) and basically 90-100% want Luck. A number/the majority of Indy eposters criticize anyone in the media that even compares RGIII to Luck.
That was one of the major reasons behind my theory that members of the THN are selecting RGIII because of the inevitability of him coming to DC. |
There is a truth here. One of the members (unfortunatly, I can't remember whom... but I'd love to give credit) made an analogy to having a huge crush on a fine, fine, lady... but, as time goes on, it becomes clear, it's not to be... then that sort-of cute chick starts to come of age, and really looks pretty darned fine now... and is intelligent, and funny, and bright, and is interested in YOU!... well, you start to invest, and it's a really good thing... so, at some point, she becomes your preferred partner... and, you can't lose..
That's when SkinsJock becomes stiff for Griff.
I'm done now. |
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CanesSkins26
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Negotiating tactic. |
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Countertrey
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Negotiating tactic. |
The Rook scale pretty much makes this an obsolete game, doesn't it? Other than the length of contract... what's the point? |
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cowboykillerzRGiii
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That's a pretty hallow article.
I hate that we aren't in control of this, but I'm sure whom ever lands to us will help this team for.years to come.
That said, not only do I hope we get RGiii but I'm confident the Colts want Luck just as bad. Reports like that are just.meant to stir.the pot imo. For if nothing.more but to mess with former AFC head coach, our Mr shanny.. they cut ties with manning to bring in luck and the pro days/combine weren't enough to make them reconsider either guy... I hope at least |
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Countertrey
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| The thing is, the Colts are in such sorry shape right now... I suspect both would prefer to play here... the Colts only offer #1 pick money... and a team that's much farther away from good than the skins... |
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