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Postby 1niksder » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:14 pm

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Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,


I am not surprised, but I am beginning to wonder if Aldrick has what it takes, physically and mentally, to play at this level. He clearly has the talent.


A still eligible for the PS
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Postby Red_One43 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:20 pm

Here's My 6th

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Leonard Hankerson
Santana Moss
Anthony Armstrong
Brandon Banks

I exchanged Armstrong for Robinson. Robinson needs to show something before I put him back in. I had him in my 6 because of his potential.

Based on last years play for Desmon Briscoe. I am not sure that I replace any of the guys I have. He doesn't return kicks. He is not fast. He doesn't have good hands.

AAA (speed) vs Briscoe (height) - for right now, I am going to stay with AAA.

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Postby Red_One43 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:23 pm

1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:
1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,


I am not surprised, but I am beginning to wonder if Aldrick has what it takes, physically and mentally, to play at this level. He clearly has the talent.


A still eligible for the PS


Forgot about that, but knowing that the Jags tried to pluck him last year, I think that he might get picked up. I think the best hope is he looks good a wideout in the preseason games and we get a 7th rounder for him. I am doubting that he is going to be able to catch punts under fire. The mental mistakes at this stage are troubling.

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Postby 1niksder » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:31 pm

Red_One43 wrote:Here's My 6th

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Leonard Hankerson
Santana Moss
Anthony Armstrong
Brandon Banks

I exchanged Armstrong for Robinson. Robinson needs to show something before I put him back in. I had him in my 6 because of his potential.

Based on last years play for Desmon Briscoe. I am not sure that I replace any of the guys I have. He doesn't return kicks. He is not fast. He doesn't have good hands.

AAA (speed) vs Briscoe (height) - for right now, I am going to stay with AAA.


That's how my list looks....

Briscoe could push Banks or Armstrong of the roster. He had 6 TD for the Bucs last season, Gaffney was the closest to put up that many TDs with five and he's not on the team anymore.
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Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:24 pm

Six tds with less yardage then Royster had rushing in like three games? What's the plus side?
I see him more of a Hanktime replacement if he has a setback and goes to pup. Not pushing the sixth man out.
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Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:30 pm

1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,


Is that in regards to BB or Robinson? If you could elaborate or share a link that'd be cool man
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Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:49 pm

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cowboykillerzRED wrote:I'd like to know the ratio between receptions and plays that BB was on the feild w the offense.

Funny how a few returns and that reverse gets called back and people act like they didn't happen. If you add up all the tea that stood and got called back he probably has more then AAA in their respective careers here. With all the drops triple A had last year I'm surprised no one is throwing him under the bus.
It blows my mind how fans of skins don't like BB and what he's done with every opportunity he's been given.
Yes he is small, so was the mouse right?
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This is why people don't like BB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvgLkuEtkA


Ahhhhh I get it.. I thought it was because of this..

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_ur ... EtkA&gl=US
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Postby Red_One43 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:33 am

cowboykillerzRED wrote:
1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,


Is that in regards to BB or Robinson? If you could elaborate or share a link that'd be cool man


He's talking about BB.

This the only link I have found so far. I posted it on this thread a couple of days ago. I would love to see more links on this competition as well.

http://www.redskins101.com/2012/07/26/w ... tands-out/

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Postby SkinsFreak » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:15 am

Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


But let's not forget that the first 2 days have been without pads and with no hitting and little checking at the line-of-scrimmage. Once they put the pads and start hitting, it may be a different story.

For the record and clarification, I don't dislike Banks. In fact, he's been one of the few bright spots on this team for the past 2 years. I happen to like him a great deal. My initial post in this thread was not meant to bash Banks, but to offer some thoughts regarding Robinson.

Red_One43 quoted Mike Shanahan:

“That’s been our goal all along,” Shanahan said. “Banks has some very good receiver skills. He’s got very good hands, he’s tough, and the more consistent he can be in practice -- it’s been tough because he got hurt -- but we would like to get him more involved.”


Banks tore a ligament in his left knee in 2010 and required surgery. He didn’t miss a game, but struggled to regain his effectiveness. The knee continued to bother Banks off and on last preseason, and during much of the regular season. That kept Shanahan from using him as a receiver. Instead, he made the team as a returns specialist.


Ok, fair enough. But that only adds to my concerns. In Shanahan's own words, Banks lacks consistency and has struggled with his effectiveness because of injury and durability. I just have a difficult time seeing a 5'7, 150 lb wide receiver lining up on offense, even playing in the slot. At that size, durability is a huge concern, and if he's already struggled with injuries, then the coaches have a difficult decision to make. It's not like Banks has the size or strength to get out there and break one-arm tackles and could easily struggle with durability from hits playing in the slot against more physical corners, safeties and LB's. But I do like him, and it's fun to root for the underdog, so to speak.

For me, assuming all or most things are equal, if it's a head-to-head battle between Robinson and Banks for the last WR spot, I may lean towards Robinson. Banks has serious size issues, has had injury and durability issues, has had off-the-field issues and was undrafted. (Shanahan actually used a valuable draft pick on Robinson)

Again, assuming all or most things are equal, if it's a head-to-head battle between Robinson and Armstrong for the last WR spot, again I'm leaning towards Robinson. Armstrong is 29 entering just his 3 year, was a leftover from the Zorn/Ceratto era and had a major sophmore slump for whatever reason. He was also undrafted. (Now, not saying Banks and Armstrong going undrafted should be a deciding factor, but it can be relevant since Robinson was hand-selected by Shanahan.)

I'd also like to add that I'm not out there watching them compete in camp head-to-head. So I could be very wrong about Robinson as he may need more development. Nevertheless... hey, may the best man win. That's all any of us care about, I'm sure. Shanahan likes serious competition and that's what we're gonna get for the next month.

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Postby DarthMonk » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:46 am

My biggest concern is durability followed by ball security. We all know he can break open a game.

Red_One43 wrote:Shanny said in another article, that he didn't want Banks making the cuts that receiver make, because he was too valuable as a return man.


He’s a guy that I’m even afraid to practice as a wide receiver because that knee swells up,” Shanahan said of the 5-foot-7, 151-pound Banks, who last season recorded only two receptions.


So is it his return value or the knee swelling??
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Postby 1niksder » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:18 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:
1niksder wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


Of the three he has been the better WR over the last two days, with Austin a not so close second according to those watching,


Is that in regards to BB or Robinson? If you could elaborate or share a link that'd be cool man


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Postby Red_One43 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:54 pm

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Red_One43 wrote:Rich Campbell:
We know Robinson has great straight-line speed, and if he can’t run past Bellamy, he won’t make the team. But he has to be sharper both mentally and physically. At this point, there’s nothing Robinson does that WR Brandon Banks or WR Terrence Austin don’t


According to Campbell's observations - it's a dead heat between Banks, Austin, and Robinson after two practices. But - I have to say BB, because right now, he is the better return man.


But let's not forget that the first 2 days have been without pads and with no hitting and little checking at the line-of-scrimmage. Once they put the pads and start hitting, it may be a different story.

For the record and clarification, I don't dislike Banks. In fact, he's been one of the few bright spots on this team for the past 2 years. I happen to like him a great deal. My initial post in this thread was not meant to bash Banks, but to offer some thoughts regarding Robinson.

Red_One43 quoted Mike Shanahan:

“That’s been our goal all along,” Shanahan said. “Banks has some very good receiver skills. He’s got very good hands, he’s tough, and the more consistent he can be in practice -- it’s been tough because he got hurt -- but we would like to get him more involved.”


Banks tore a ligament in his left knee in 2010 and required surgery. He didn’t miss a game, but struggled to regain his effectiveness. The knee continued to bother Banks off and on last preseason, and during much of the regular season. That kept Shanahan from using him as a receiver. Instead, he made the team as a returns specialist.


Ok, fair enough. But that only adds to my concerns. In Shanahan's own words, Banks lacks consistency and has struggled with his effectiveness because of injury and durability. I just have a difficult time seeing a 5'7, 150 lb wide receiver lining up on offense, even playing in the slot. At that size, durability is a huge concern, and if he's already struggled with injuries, then the coaches have a difficult decision to make. It's not like Banks has the size or strength to get out there and break one-arm tackles and could easily struggle with durability from hits playing in the slot against more physical corners, safeties and LB's. But I do like him, and it's fun to root for the underdog, so to speak.

For me, assuming all or most things are equal, if it's a head-to-head battle between Robinson and Banks for the last WR spot, I may lean towards Robinson. Banks has serious size issues, has had injury and durability issues, has had off-the-field issues and was undrafted. (Shanahan actually used a valuable draft pick on Robinson)

Again, assuming all or most things are equal, if it's a head-to-head battle between Robinson and Armstrong for the last WR spot, again I'm leaning towards Robinson. Armstrong is 29 entering just his 3 year, was a leftover from the Zorn/Ceratto era and had a major sophmore slump for whatever reason. He was also undrafted. (Now, not saying Banks and Armstrong going undrafted should be a deciding factor, but it can be relevant since Robinson was hand-selected by Shanahan.)

I'd also like to add that I'm not out there watching them compete in camp head-to-head. So I could be very wrong about Robinson as he may need more development. Nevertheless... hey, may the best man win. That's all any of us care about, I'm sure. Shanahan likes serious competition and that's what we're gonna get for the next month.


Though I am a big Banks fan, I am also a Robinson fan as well. I do agree with you that Robinson would have to be the favorite given his college background in running routes and his open field prowess. A lot of folks have been saying that if Robinson shows that he can catch punts, Banks would surely be in danger of losing out to him.

Concering Bank's durability issues, that could become an issue, but also look at it this way. He still was very effective at returning punts and he never missed a game even with a surgical procedure a less than two weeks before a game. Shanny didn't want to use him as a receiver because he was to valuable to lose because of he return duties. Now, that his worth as a returner has deminished some, Shanny is willing to use him as a receiver and Banks has been challenged to step it up - he has.

What Banks may lack in height, he has proven that he has what it takes, mentally and physically, to play at this level. So far, Robinson has not stepped up and seized his opportunities (muffed punts last year) and mental errors early in training camp. Robinson needs to step it up in a hurry or he will watch Banks and Austin move squarely ahead of him.

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Postby Red_One43 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:04 pm

DarthMonk wrote:My biggest concern is durability followed by ball security. We all know he can break open a game.

Red_One43 wrote:Shanny said in another article, that he didn't want Banks making the cuts that receiver make, because he was too valuable as a return man.


He’s a guy that I’m even afraid to practice as a wide receiver because that knee swells up,” Shanahan said of the 5-foot-7, 151-pound Banks, who last season recorded only two receptions.


So is it his return value or the knee swelling??


They are related. The knee swelling was telling Shanny that Banks could injure himself making the cuts that receivers make and thus not being able to use him in the return game.

Here is the most of the article (The article has been archived so the link won't work- you can google it by the title):

Posted at 12:16 PM ET, 09/06/2011
Redskins will handle Brandon Banks with care

By Mike Jones

Brandon Banks is listed on the Washington Redskins’ roster as a wide receiver, but it appears unlikely that the team will try to take advantage of the second-year Kansas State product’s speed as a pass catcher.

Coach Mike Shanahan said questions about Banks’ durability and his balky knee have prompted the decision to hold the player out of most receiver drills. So it appears Banks would be the last receiver the Redskins turn to in games this season.

“He’s a guy that I’m even afraid to practice as a wide receiver because that knee swells up,” Shanahan said of the 5-foot-7, 151-pound Banks, who last season recorded only two receptions.

Shanahan said he didn’t take Banks into account when considering which receivers the team should carry on its 53-man roster. Instead, Redskins coaches see Banks – who this preseason returned a punt 95 yards for a touchdown and ran back a kickoff 58 yards -- as a specialist, one who is too valuable to risk by playing him at multiple positions.


Banks has said that his knee is now 100%.

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Postby Red_One43 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:00 pm

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#Redskins WR Brandon Banks makes two big catches in full team drills, one each from Griffin III and Grossman. #skinscamp


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Brandon Banks seems to get open a lot in the 12 to 17 yd area. Good start to his camp. Needs to show well at WR to make squad. #Redskins


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Brandon Banks has had a good practice so far. Has made a lot of tough catches in traffic. #Redskins #THNTC


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Banks really wants to prove he's more than just a returner. #Redskins #THNTC


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Postby DarthMonk » Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:24 pm

Red_One43 wrote:
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Brandon Banks seems to get open a lot in the 12 to 17 yd area. Good start to his camp. Needs to show well at WR to make squad. #Redskins


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