Why not Do it Again....WRs.. Who stays - Who goes?

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Postby langleyparkjoe » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:38 pm

cutting Moss is not an option. ok carry on.
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Postby 1niksder » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:06 pm

Shanahan confirmed that Armstrong has a strained right AC joint. Will miss a few days at minimum.
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Postby Red_One43 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:51 pm

Tandler thinks Aldrick is making the team:
I have Aldrick Robinson making the 53-man roster but he is very much on the bubble. He has been inconsistent as a receiver but today was one of his better days. On one pass from Kirk Cousins, Robinson was in a crowd of defenders. He attacked the ball, coming back towards the quarterback to separate himself from the defense and make the catch. A year ago, Robinson would have stood and waited for the ball to come to him and it would have been knocked away or intercepted. He’s learning.


I would say that Aldrick needs to show that he can return punts to increase his chances on the 53.

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Postby Red_One43 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:19 pm

Redskins Coaches love Brandon Banks

heading into the exhibition opener vs. Buffalo, it’s clear that Banks remains popular among the coaches.


The 5th or 6th spot is Banks' to lose. He just needs preseason games at wide receiver to back up his practice performance and he is in

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Postby Red_One43 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:34 pm

My 6 after tonight

Garçon
Moss
Hankerson
Morgan
Robinson
Banks

Aldrick showed that he can step it up for the games. If he can return punts he is in. He needs to show that he is comfortable catching them. I know that he can run.

Banks showed me, tonight, that he is a hard worker. The second go route, he put a studder step move on the DB and he was wide open. He will improve. To things can end Banks Redskin career no matter what he does - Robinson showing that he is a good punt returner and Crawford making the team - he can return punts.

I dropped AAA because he is not and will not be a better WR than Aldrick. Aldrick is too polished as a wide out. I believe Banks is a better student of the game and will get better at route running. Also Banks has shown that he can get off the line. AAA didn't show that last year.

Briscoe is the mystery guy? I think next game, we will see a lot of him. Of course that is dependent on how he practices.

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Postby 1niksder » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:04 am

Red_One43 wrote:My 6 after tonight

Garçon
Moss
Hankerson
Morgan
Robinson
Banks

Aldrick showed that he can step it up for the games. If he can return punts he is in. He needs to show that he is comfortable catching them. I know that he can run.

Banks showed me, tonight, that he is a hard worker. The second go route, he put a studder step move on the DB and he was wide open. He will improve. To things can end Banks Redskin career no matter what he does - Robinson showing that he is a good punt returner and Crawford making the team - he can return punts.

I dropped AAA because he is not and will not be a better WR than Aldrick. Aldrick is too polished as a wide out. I believe Banks is a better student of the game and will get better at route running. Also Banks has shown that he can get off the line. AAA didn't show that last year.

Briscoe is the mystery guy? I think next game, we will see a lot of him. Of course that is dependent on how he practices.


If were to make a change after one pre-season game My list would look like this.

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Leonard Hankerson
Santana Moss
Anthony Armstrong
Aldrick Robinson

Banks had a rough night and Robinson helped his cause with the little things like coming back for the ball.

Shanny has said Banks needs to do more than return kicks and Crawfords efforts in game one stood out more than those of Banks attempts. Can't count Anthony Armstrong out yet because he hasn't had any live action. The same goes for Dezmon Briscoe, if we throw him in it looks like four guys and two spots. For now I'll stick with Banks over Robinson.
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Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:31 am

What's everyones take on Crawford? As far as returns we have plenty of decent guys who can handle that, but as a cb?
Ya he got a pick- but it looked to me he was burned and a better pass was to the house for six... No?
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Postby Chris Luva Luva » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:07 am

1niksder wrote:If were to make a change after one pre-season game My list would look like this.

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Leonard Hankerson
Santana Moss
Anthony Armstrong
Aldrick Robinson

Banks had a rough night and Robinson helped his cause with the little things like coming back for the ball.


This would be my guess..

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Leonard Hankerson
Santana Moss
Briscoe
Banks


1niksder wrote:Shanny has said Banks needs to do more than return kicks and Crawfords efforts in game one stood out more than those of Banks attempts. Can't count Anthony Armstrong out yet because he hasn't had any live action. The same goes for Dezmon Briscoe, if we throw him in it looks like four guys and two spots. For now I'll stick with Banks over Robinson.


TO be fair, they didn't kick away from Crawford. Banks didnt get a chance to return. However, Crawford run north/south... I liked that and I'd honestly like to see more of him at PR.
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Postby andyjens89 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:10 am

Crawford impressed me, especially for a 7th round rookie
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Postby Red_One43 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:41 pm

CLL wrote:
TO be fair, they didn't kick away from Crawford. Banks didnt get a chance to return. However, Crawford run north/south... I liked that and I'd honestly like to see more of him at PR.


Chris, you raise a strong point. Banks does make teams alter their kicking game. For stats, Banks doesn't get credits for shanked or short punts that happened because they tried to kick away from Banks. Shanny knows that explosive players make a big difference.

Crawford did look good. This is an honest question - Did he show anything more than Terrance Austin as a punt returner. I bring this up, because Austin has looked good with PRs in preseason, but Shanny wanted the explosion of Banks - that potential of big gainer every time he touched the ball. If the answer is no - then I assume Crawford at this point has not come close to beating out Banks as the PR guy.

We have yet to see Aldrick Robinson return punts. He is considered an excellent open field runner with good vision (based on his open field running after catches in college). If he can catch the punts, he could be the guy.

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Postby Red_One43 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:03 am

I copied this from the the Post game thread so that we could discuss issues of making the team.

SkinsFreak wrote:
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SkinsFreak wrote:the fact that physical defenders can easily run him over, or run through or over him to intercept passes.

That is called pass interference. The defender has the same right to go for the ball as the receiver, but he can't go through him to do it.


:lol: True. I should have worded that differently.

But here's another evaluation similar to what I'm talking about...

4.) Brandon Banks got his chances - Coach Mike Shanahan was serious about wanting to see if Brandon Banks can make this team as a receiver. The 5-foot-7 third-year pro was targeted nine times - more than any other wideout - but managed just two catches for seven total yards. Banks didn’t get the separation from Bills defenders that he did from Redskins corner Cedric Griffin in practices. And it looked as if a lack of size hurt Banks at times. Four of the incompletions came as a result of defenders either knocking the ball away from Banks, or shielding him from passes. On another route, Banks slipped.


So I'll leave it at that. The point has been made. I'd actually like to see Banks bounce back with a better performance next Saturday night against the Bears.


And once again, if size was the issue the coaches wouldn't have him out there. They clearly know the limitations of a receiver of Brandon's size. The coaches know more than all of us to include Mike Jones and John Keim (my favorite beat writer). What Bank's lacked on Thursday night (keeping on the post game topic) was the ability to get separation. That, more than size, makes a good receiver.

Aldrick Robinson came out of the SMU system which runs pro routes - routes with precision - the spread O's often do not demand precision (yes, generally speaking, there is a difference in how they run routes in the pros - the pros stress precision). Aldrick makes sharp cuts. Brandon did not do that on Thursday night. He rushed his cuts and kept slipping. What we saw Friday, night, was a receiver who reverted back to old ways (that is usually a sign of nerves or trying too hard).

Positves from Thursday night (fought back for the ball. He had control of his feet on that sideline pass that he caught out of bounds (He had separation on that play). He made a good studder step move on the second deep ball to blow past the receiver. He hustled every play. He made a good block. These are things that coaches look for on the field. Yes, they see the negative too, but unlike the media and fans who give passes to Niles Paul for similar mistakes, the coaches take it all in. Oh that's right Niles Paul is not small - Oh wait a minute - he's small for a TE - If he can what the Coaches expect of him, his size doesn't matter - same for Brandon.

From the looks of Brandon's Thursday night at wideout, he has a lot to prove in the next game. No blame game here, Brandon didn't play well as a receiver. You can blame it on size and point out that others agree with you, but I will go with the coaches and believe that they ACTUALLY know that the guy is small (no, really, they do know that Brandon is small) and that they really do know the limitations that come with smaller size. I am going to go out on a limb and say that what determines Brandon making the team is being one of the best 53, not his size or lack of(Just a touch of sarcasm).

This is an article from last year's TC about Robinson. I am posting here in relation to Thursday night to show you what Brandon didn't do on his cuts and what is expected. I would expect beat writers focus on technique and skills like Tandler did here (one of my favorites). Saying that the guy is small - tell us and he can't out jump guys. Tell us something that we don't know. I bet Brandon wasn't out jumping folks in practice either.

But what impressed the observer the most was Robinson’s ability to plant his foot, cut, and change direction. “That will get you separation at any level of football,” he said.

As we watched, many players, even some NFL veterans, were rounding off their routes. Robinson ran a simple square in and changed direction very suddenly. The ball did not come his way but he had achieved separation. Before practice wrapped up he executed a few more sharp cuts.


Yes, Aldrick clearly is the better reciever right now, but when it comes to making the 53, special teams will also be a factor as well as who gives us the best chance to win. Right now, I don't see this as a Banks - Aldrick comp. AAA has a lot to prove as well. Briscoe is still has a lot to prove. Austin? He seems to be way under the radar.

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Postby Red_One43 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:18 pm

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Dezmon Briscoe makes a nice leaping grap in the back of the end zone. Really showed his height on that play



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Dezmon Briscoe made a nice leaping TD catch in a redzone drill. Big 6-2 WR out jumped everyone around him. Nice moment for him. #Redskins


I might have to add Briscoe to my 6 if he keeps doing this.

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Postby DarthMonk » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:29 pm

I'd be happy keeping Banks as a specialist. I don't need him at WR. Desmond Howard proved you can be a non-descript WR but be the MVP in a Super Bowl as a specialist.

Size might easily be the biggest single factor that could keep BB from being a top 53 player. I'm sure we all agree he's either on or very close to the bubble. I was actually surprised the very first time we kept him as he had been coughing up the ball. I think we actually waived him at one point. But his big play ability in the return game can trump all other considerations. I'd just keep him there.

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Postby Red_One43 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:31 pm

According to Jake, Banks having trouble holding on to the ball;

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Banks just got sandwiched between two defenders when trying to make a tough catch. He felt it. Didn't hold on to the ball #Redskins #THNTC



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Postby Red_One43 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:49 pm

DarthMonk wrote:I'd be happy keeping Banks as a specialist. I don't need him at WR. Desmond Howard proved you can be a non-descript WR but be the MVP in a Super Bowl as a specialist.

Size might easily be the biggest single factor that could keep BB from being a top 53 player. I'm sure we all agree he's either on or very close to the bubble. I was actually surprised the very first time we kept him as he had been coughing up the ball. I think we actually waived him at one point. But his big play ability in the return game can trump all other considerations. I'd just keep him there.

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Love your two cent and will tell why later, but I am going to disagree with you that size might be the biggest factor - As you can see from my posts, I don't think that it is a factor at all in Shanny's eyes. The biggest factor will be him not being able to do what is asked of him. To the public, Shanny has announced that he must win a spot as a receiver. If his receiver skills were as good as Aldrick, size would not matter. He would have shined on Thursday. What he showed was a raw wideout. It's just one game, but sometimes, you only get one shot. We'll see if he gets another.

Both Shanny and Danny Smith have said that Banks is finally being a pro player - it might be too late. Thursday night showed that he is way behind on basic receiver skills. He should have spent the money and got with the best receiver guru and worked all off-season (I am assuming that he didn't do it based on mo reports and the poor showing on routes on Thursday).

Here's were I agree with you, if nobody else can show the explosiveness of Banks when he touches the ball - be it KOs, PRs, reverses, gadgets, the dude is on my roster. 6th receivers are going to get many passes during the year. Also, Brandon with his work ethic will get better as a receiver.

Do keep an eye on Aldrick Robinson when he gets a chance to return punts. He is a feared open field runner. Coming out of college, scouts felt that this would translate into a very good punt returner in the NFL - problem was last year, he couldn't field the punts - he is supposed to have corrected it.

BTW - you are right about Shanny cutting him the first year because of fumble issues.

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