Why not Do it Again....WRs.. Who stays - Who goes?

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Postby 1niksder » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:56 am

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Postby The Hogster » Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:45 pm

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The Hogster wrote:Stays

Predict Gaffney will be a cap casualty, especially if we get no relief from this cap penalty.


Hogster,
I hope you aren't correct on this. If you are then we didn't get any better at WR in the off season, we simply got younger and more expensive. If we trade Garcon for Gafney we trade one player that costs less (Gaffney) for a player with virtually IDENTICLE production to a younger player that costs a lot more.

Now if we plan on having Gaffney, Moss, and Garcon on the field at the same time we defiantly got better. J Morgan is probably an improvement over AAA, but I'm not so sure. I think he is, but the year AAA had with McRib (a qb that can extend the play and get the ball down field) would be fantastic from a #4 or#5 WR.

To me if you are trying to win next year Garcon, Gaffney, Moss are your starters. With Hankerson, Morgan, and AAA getting worked into the rotation.

If they are looking more at how you will be in 2013 then I would start Hankerson, Garcon, and Gaffney (in the slot) and you let Moss go. In this set up Morgan would get a lot of playing time too. AAA would get cut and Austin or Paul would makes the team.


I agree with you on this. I'm in favor of keeping Gaffney. But, we are scrambling to create cap space. And, because of this--we may have to part with guys we would otherwise keep and give the younger guys (Austin/Hankerson) bigger roles.

I would guess that our staff believes that Garcon can be a #1 receiver if given the opportunities, and a QB (Griffin or Luck) who can get him the ball, while Gaffney at 31 has probably maxed out.
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Postby fetus » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:03 pm

Stay:
Garçon
Hankerson
Moss
Morgan
Armstrong

Practice Squad:
Niles Paul

Go:
Banksy
Austin
Robinson

Gaffney I am iffy if he is here or not so iunno that one. he is owed a little bit of money and who knows last year may have been his lasy hoorah
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Postby 1niksder » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:51 pm

fetus wrote:Stay:
Garçon
Hankerson
Moss
Morgan
Armstrong

Practice Squad:
Niles Paul

Go:
Banksy
Austin
Robinson

Gaffney I am iffy if he is here or not so iunno that one. he is owed a little bit of money and who knows last year may have been his lasy hoorah


Niles Paul played in 13 games last season, too many to qualify for the Practice Squad

Gaffney has 2,650,000 in Base Salary only.... it's all cap space if they let him go
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Postby Red_One43 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:43 pm

We kept 8 receivers, including Banks as one of the eight.
Quarterbacks Kellen Clemens and Matt Gutierrez were sent packing, leaving room for eight receivers. The extra spot essentially goes to Brandon Banks, who is expected to see scant time as a wideout but is a game-breaking threat as a return man, provided he can stay healthy.


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Postby Red_One43 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:06 pm

Stays:

Garçon
Hankerson
Morgan
Gaffney
Armstrong
Niles Paul

Specialist (Iffy):

Banks

Note on Armstrong: I think AA jumps back into the picture because of RGIII's arm. Think back to the McNabb to Armstrong connections in 2010.

Iffy:

Moss

Practice Squad:
Robinson

Go:
Austin

Iffy notes:

I believe that had Royal Signed, but Moss and Banks were done. Royal was being brought here to play the slot like he did in Denver and most likely return punts.

Shanny likes competition, I expect to see him bring in a gifted punt returner to challenge Banks - nobody on the current roster can. Also, keep in mind, Shanny likes Banks. Shanny stated that he planned to get the ball in his hands more often once his knee healed. i.e. TD run against Minnesota that was called back. It didn't count on the scoreboard, but it counts in the coaches eye. TD pass to Moss. It
Counted!!!

Moss's is an interesting case here. Everybody loves Moss, but too many boneheaded penalties and "easy" passes bouncing off his hands and for INTS (Rams and Pats). Cap hit after June 1st - #3.15 mil. has got to figure strongly. Look for competion to be brought in for the slot. Can Robinson beat him out. Moss can return punts and Robinson can't unless he has been practicing in the offseason.


Rich Tandler on Moss's salary hit vs Gaffney. Note the after June 1st hit fo rMoss.
Salary cap: Yes, this is as much of a factor as any on-field measurables are. Gaffney counts $2.65 million against the cap while Moss counts $4.816 million. There would be no dead cap to account for if Gaffney is traded or released. Moss would save $1.484 million if he was traded or released prior to June 1 and $3.15 million if released after June 1.


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Postby Countertrey » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:30 pm

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Postby crazyhorse1 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:38 pm

The Hogster wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:Stays

Predict Gaffney will be a cap casualty, especially if we get no relief from this cap penalty.


Hogster,
I hope you aren't correct on this. If you are then we didn't get any better at WR in the off season, we simply got younger and more expensive. If we trade Garcon for Gafney we trade one player that costs less (Gaffney) for a player with virtually IDENTICLE production to a younger player that costs a lot more.

Now if we plan on having Gaffney, Moss, and Garcon on the field at the same time we defiantly got better. J Morgan is probably an improvement over AAA, but I'm not so sure. I think he is, but the year AAA had with McRib (a qb that can extend the play and get the ball down field) would be fantastic from a #4 or#5 WR.

To me if you are trying to win next year Garcon, Gaffney, Moss are your starters. With Hankerson, Morgan, and AAA getting worked into the rotation.

If they are looking more at how you will be in 2013 then I would start Hankerson, Garcon, and Gaffney (in the slot) and you let Moss go. In this set up Morgan would get a lot of playing time too. AAA would get cut and Austin or Paul would makes the team.


I agree with you on this. I'm in favor of keeping Gaffney. But, we are scrambling to create cap space. And, because of this--we may have to part with guys we would otherwise keep and give the younger guys (Austin/Hankerson) bigger roles.

I would guess that our staff believes that Garcon can be a #1 receiver if given the opportunities, and a QB (Griffin or Luck) who can get him the ball, while Gaffney at 31 has probably maxed out.


Losing Gaffney would be destructive. He gained closed to a thousand yards last year and was by far our most productive receiver. He's flat out better than Moss and might be better than Garcon.

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Postby Red_One43 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:46 pm

The Hogster wrote:Brandon Banks--as a Specialist like Mike S. said last year. Even Devin Hester went longer than 1 season without a return TD. Banks also had long returns negated by penalty. For some of you to argue that we keep Gano but cut Banks is beyond me but whatever. Banks is the best specialist we have--and as long as that's the case, he's on this team for that reason primarily. He's also a gadget player and threw a TD last year. Give this a rest. Eventually if you say he's gut every year, you'll be right one of these times since nothing lasts forever.


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Postby Countertrey » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:26 pm

Red_One43 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:Brandon Banks--as a Specialist like Mike S. said last year. Even Devin Hester went longer than 1 season without a return TD. Banks also had long returns negated by penalty. For some of you to argue that we keep Gano but cut Banks is beyond me but whatever. Banks is the best specialist we have--and as long as that's the case, he's on this team for that reason primarily. He's also a gadget player and threw a TD last year. Give this a rest. Eventually if you say he's gut every year, you'll be right one of these times since nothing lasts forever.


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The "The Third Annual Let's Cut Banks Sweepstakes Because ..." has be begun!!!


We are about to bring a quarterback who's mobility and cannon arm are going to be able to take full advantage of Banks and AA's speed. Banks gains value with Griffin running the offense. Imagine trying to cover a 4 receiver spread of Garcon, Morgan, Armstrong and Banks... for 5 or 6 seconds! Gives me chills... brrrrrrrrr...
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Postby Red_One43 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:30 pm

Countertrey wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:Brandon Banks--as a Specialist like Mike S. said last year. Even Devin Hester went longer than 1 season without a return TD. Banks also had long returns negated by penalty. For some of you to argue that we keep Gano but cut Banks is beyond me but whatever. Banks is the best specialist we have--and as long as that's the case, he's on this team for that reason primarily. He's also a gadget player and threw a TD last year. Give this a rest. Eventually if you say he's gut every year, you'll be right one of these times since nothing lasts forever.


+1

The "The Third Annual Let's Cut Banks Sweepstakes Because ..." has be begun!!!


We are about to bring a quarterback who's mobility and cannon arm are going to be able to take full advantage of Banks and AA's speed. Banks gains value with Griffin running the offense. Imagine trying to cover a 4 receiver spread of Garcon, Morgan, Armstrong and Banks... for 5 or 6 seconds! Gives me chills... brrrrrrrrr...


+1

Speed Kills! (Not literally - Don't want Goodell to raise his ears up).

Add Davis in the mix and it is down right scary for the D Coords. This is where that speedy slot guy comes in. That underneath pattern that we have seen Moss consistently gain 20 yards, when it is open, is going to be down right wicked.

Playmakers (including RGIII) is what Shanny said that we need to add for this year and he has added them. We already have a playmaker in Banks.

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Postby 1niksder » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:47 pm

Leonard Hankerson’s health after missing the last part of the 2011 season with a hip injury is one of the big questions of this offseason. It looks like there is some good news there.

Hankerson tweeted the following this afternoon from his @HankTime85 account:

Finishing up with rehab, got some great news, I'll be off the crutches a whole week earlier... #Yesss

At the NFL owners meetings last month, Mike Shanahan said that Hankerson should be able to participate in offseason activities by about June 1. It’s not clear if the fact that he will be off crutches a week earlier means that he can take part on OTA’s any earlier. Regardless, being able to get off of crutches early is a good sign that his rehab is coming along well.

Hankerson did let us know that he still has a lot of work to do in this followup tweet:

Still go ways 2 go, but off the crutches is a plus



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Postby DarthMonk » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:26 am

Red_One43 wrote: -snip-
I believe that had Royal Signed, but Moss and Banks were done. Royal was being brought here to play the slot like he did in Denver and most likely return punts.


Absolutely correct on all counts.

Red_One43 wrote:Moss's is an interesting case here. Everybody loves Moss, but too many boneheaded penalties and "easy" passes bouncing off his hands and for INTS (Rams and Pats). Cap hit after June 1st - #3.15 mil. has got to figure strongly. Look for competion to be brought in for the slot. Can Robinson beat him out. Moss can return punts and Robinson can't unless he has been practicing in the offseason. -snip-


Very interesting. Moss may have to return punts to make the team. He my be Banks' back-up at PR since Banks is a little on the light/fragile side.

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Postby 1niksder » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:39 am

1niksder wrote:Stays:

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Jabar Gaffney
Leonard Hankerson
Niles Paul
Anthony Armstrong

Goes:

Terrence Austin
Brandon Banks
Aldrick Robinson will go back to the PS

If they only keep 6 Santana Moss goes, if they keep 7 and don't draft or sign somebody else he stays.


I think the current cap position and Fletcher's new deal, flip-flops Moss and Gaffney

NOTE: I'm not flip-flopping.... it's the current cap position and Fletcher's new deal :twisted:
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Postby langleyparkjoe » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:01 am

1niksder wrote:This is good news


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