Why not Do it Again....WRs.. Who stays - Who goes?

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Why not Do it Again....WRs.. Who stays - Who goes?

Postby 1niksder » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:30 pm

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Although there is plenty of time for more additions and subtractions can be made from the Redskins receiver corps, the pause button seems to have been hit for the time being, so let’s take a look at who stands where.

The one sure starter right now is Pierre Garçon. By virtue of his $8 million per year contract, he will be given every opportunity to establish himself as the top receiver on the team, if not a true No. 1 receiver.

It also seems Jabar Gaffney, last year’s leading receiver, will keep his starting job. Although at age 31 his presence would run counter to the youth movement afoot in Ashburn, his experience and ability to work the field in Kyle Shanahan’s offense will be of great help while a rookie quarterback, presumably Robert Griffin III, gets his feet under him.

After that, the picture isn’t quite as clear. It would appear Leonard Hankerson will get the first shot at having a substantial role, assuming he is recovered from the hip injury that ended his 2011 season before it really got started. Hankerson has said he will be ready for training camp, but athletes frequently are more optimistic about recovering from injuries than medical reality would indicate. It’s wait and see on him until we get closer to camp.
Free-agent acquisition Joshua Morgan is also recovering from a season-ending injury. He broke his ankle in the fifth game of 2011. Morgan’s contract, which calls for him to make $12 million over two years, shows he is expected to make a substantial contribution as well. He provides some insurance in case Hankerson is not ready to go.

We’ve covered five receivers, and we’re just getting to Santana Moss, the mainstay of the team’s wide receiving corps since he came to Washington in 2005. He has played in 104 games for the Redskins, and he has started 104. Will he be a starter in 2012? Will he be on the team at all? Even if you factor in that he missed four games with a broken hand, 2012 was his least productive season since he was a Jet in 2002. It might be tempting to write him off, as he will be 33 before the season starts, but it may be too soon to do that.

We wrote earlier this week here that Anthony Armstrong could benefit greatly from the presence of Griffin, who has uncanny accuracy on the deep ball. If he can average nearly 20 yards per catch like he did in 2010 they will find a way to get him onto the field.

It’s not a make or break year for Niles Paul, but the second-year player should make some strides in OTAs and in training camp to solidify his spot on the roster. He only caught two passes last year, but he only was targeted five times in 162 snaps. His blocking got him on the field on offense, and he needs to continue to improve upon his strength while working on his weak areas.

Is this the end of the line for Terrence Austin? With the additions of Garçon and Morgan, somebody has to go. The 2010 seventh-round pick has shown flashes of ability here and there but never with any consistency.

Brandon Banks didn’t work much as a receiver in training camp due to a knee injury, and he made the team as a return specialist. There may not be a roster spot for such a player in 2012, so Banks might have to find a way to get some snaps at wide receiver or face getting cut.

Aldrick Robinson was on the roster for one game after spending most of the year on the practice squad. He has speed, but his game needs refinement.

So we have 10 wide receivers for probably six spots. With Garçon, Gaffney, Morgan and Hankerson safe, that leaves six fighting for two jobs. And more could potentially be added later in free agency or in the draft.


Lets Go with 6, 7 max although they did have 10 on the roster at some points last season. If you think they'll draft a rookie that will make the roster then leave a spot for him blank in your list of 6-7, same for another free agent WR..

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Postby 1niksder » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:41 pm

Stays:

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Jabar Gaffney
Leonard Hankerson
Niles Paul
Anthony Armstrong

Goes:

Terrence Austin
Brandon Banks
Aldrick Robinson will go back to the PS

If they only keep 6 Santana Moss goes, if they keep 7 and don't draft or sign somebody else he stays.
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Postby yupchagee » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:27 am

Garcon & Gaffney start. Hank & Morgan compete for the #3 WR spot, both make the team. Paul makes the team for his ST contributions.
That leave Austin, Banks, Robinson, Armstrong & Moss competing for 1 spot. I think Moss goes due to age & cap. Austin has to show a LOT to stay. That leaves Banks, Armstrong & Robinson competing fot that last spot. I'll guess Robinson since Armstrong is so much older & Banks hasn't shown he can be part of the offense.
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Postby Deadskins » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:09 am

Moss definitely stays. I don't think there's any chance of him getting cut.
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Postby skinsfan#33 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:37 am

Deadskins wrote:Moss definitely stays. I don't think there's any chance of him getting cut.

I agree with you 100% if you are just looking at this from a production stand point. Or if the team makes the decision based on who helps the team win the most next year, then the decision is easy moss is your starting Y (slot) WR.

But if the team needs the cap space or decides they keep the player that might help then more 2-3 years down the road then they let Moss go. I wouldn't do that because it would mean you haven't improved at wr on the offseason.

Here are my startersfollowed but (backups):
X(split end) - Garcon (Morgan)
Z(flanker) - Gaffney (Hankerson)
Y(slot) - Moss, (AAA)

I don't think AAA is a good fit at slot, but I think they keep him for three reasons. His yatds/catch, his run blocking, & ST. I could see Paul being kept here or Banks, both are great ST players, but don't add as much on offense (yet).

Again Moss stats of they want to keep their best options at WR for next season, but goes if they decide they need his cap space or just want to get younger (but worse at wr next ).
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:34 am

Deadskins wrote:Moss definitely stays. I don't think there's any chance of him getting cut.


I'm with you. I'm not conceding he's going until he's gone.
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:36 am

Stay:

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Santana Moss
Jabar Gaffney
Leonard Hankerson
Niles Paul

Go:

Terrence Austin
Brandon Banks
Aldrick Robinson
Anthony Armstrong
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Postby Chris Luva Luva » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:19 am

Anthony Armstrong will make a comeback if RGIII's deep ball Accuracy translates to the NFL.

Rex isnt accurate deep, nor does he have the arm strength to lead the receiver. AA's off season had a lot to do with Rex.
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Postby KazooSkinsFan » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:21 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Anthony Armstrong will make a comeback if RGIII's deep ball Accuracy translates to the NFL.

Rex isnt accurate deep, nor does he have the arm strength to lead the receiver. AA's off season had a lot to do with Rex.


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Postby Warmother » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:42 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Stay:

Pierre Garçon
Joshua Morgan
Santana Moss
Jabar Gaffney
Leonard Hankerson
Niles Paul

Go:

Terrence Austin
Brandon Banks
Aldrick Robinson
Anthony Armstrong


Plus 1

I think if they carry 7 WR then Austin may make it.
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Postby emoses14 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:52 am

1nik, i Know you aren't looking for any work, but could you give a brief rundown on the WR's cost if cut? Not for Garcon or Morgan, but the rest? It might impact some of our thoughts on your question, it will mine.
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Postby 1niksder » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:17 am

emoses14 wrote:1nik, i Know you aren't looking for any work, but could you give a brief rundown on the WR's cost if cut? Not for Garcon or Morgan, but the rest? It might impact some of our thoughts on your question, it will mine.



Austin, Terrence saves $540,000

Banks, Brandon saves $540,000

Gaffney, Jabar saves $2,650,000

Hankerson, Leonard saves $17,000

Moss, Santana saves $1,667,000 now but adds $3,300,000 in dead cap this year and $1,660,000 next year

Paul, Niles saves $375,000

Robinson, Aldrick saves $390,000
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Postby everydayAskinsday » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:32 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Anthony Armstrong will make a comeback if RGIII's deep ball Accuracy translates to the NFL.

Rex isnt accurate deep, nor does he have the arm strength to lead the receiver. AA's off season had a lot to do with Rex.


I'm tired of waiting for him to learn how to catch.


I couldnt agree more.. Armstrong is incredibly overrated in too many fans eyes.. He is unreliable and only serves one purpose which is running a straight go route and IMO no matter who the QB is has a 50/50 shot at actually hanging onto the ball because of his terrible hands...

The fact that he has seen the field so much for us these last couple seasons is exactly why our receiving corps has been so mediocre ...

He is a good kid and I wish him nothing but the best but he had his shot here and I think it is time to move on .. I would be surprised to see him make an active roster for another team this season

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Postby RayNAustin » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:03 am

Letting Moss go would be a huge mistake, since he has been the #1 receiver since he's been a Redskin, while Garcon has potential, he has yet to actually establish himself as a true #1 receiver. Hopefully he will fulfill the expectations.

Armstrong has been inconsistent, but he has shown to be a deep threat, while Gaffney has been a solid possession receiver. I really don't see what the fuss is all about with Hankerson, and I really don't know much about Morgan to make a call on him.

My view is that Moss, Gaffney and Garcon are the top 3 (number them as you will) until someone actually succeeds in out producing them.

Moss will be helped by the presence of Garcon and his speed on the outside, as Santana has never really had anyone to take the double away from his side of the field ... and Santana still has the speed and ability to get behind the secondary. And Moss will help Garcon .... only one of them can be doubled, leaving the other in single coverage.

With a guy like RG3 and his ability to extend plays and his accuracy on deep throws, I want speed on the outside .... with Gaffney, Davis and Cooley being the short and intermediate possession guys.

Moss
Garcon
Gaffney
Morgan (?)
Armstrong
Paul
Hankerson (if 7 are kept)

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Postby Deadskins » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:07 am

1niksder wrote:
emoses14 wrote:1nik, i Know you aren't looking for any work, but could you give a brief rundown on the WR's cost if cut? Not for Garcon or Morgan, but the rest? It might impact some of our thoughts on your question, it will mine.



Austin, Terrence saves $540,000

Banks, Brandon saves $540,000

Gaffney, Jabar saves $2,650,000

Hankerson, Leonard saves $17,000

Moss, Santana saves $1,667,000 now but adds $3,300,000 in dead cap this year and $1,660,000 next year

Paul, Niles saves $375,000

Robinson, Aldrick saves $390,000

And Armstrong? Or is he a FA?
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