| Welcome to the home of some of the Washington Redskins' most ravenous fans. If this is your first visit, please read our rules and regulations. You must register before you can access all of the forums, and to use all the board's features and options; members also enjoy fewer advertisements. |
| Author |
Message |
Deadskins
JSPB22
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Posts: 14716
Location: Location, LOCATION!
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| SkinsJock wrote: | I do think that Marty is a very good HC but that was not going to help much here
- short term, maybe .. but not if you have people like Dumb & Dumber in charge |
What? The first thing Marty did was fire Dumber, and he was fired himself because he wouldn't let Dumb make football decisions (at least that's what HAILSkins says Marty said was the reason for his firing, I've always thought is was because The Danny wanted to light up the scoreboard with Spurrier's fun 'n' gun  ). |
|
| Back to top |
|
Deadskins
JSPB22
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Posts: 14716
Location: Location, LOCATION!
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| SkinsJock wrote: | | and Marty is not as good a HC as Mike |
That's debatable. |
|
| Back to top |
|
skinsfan#33
#33
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 3875
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Countertrey wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | Hall absolutely deserves to be blown up, for failing to display very fundamental, sound cornerback play in that situation.
Haslett absolutely should have come out with a more conservative play... but, if Hall actually played as if he had a clue on that play, the game is over. Period. |
OK, I'm not getting through. There is no way any DB could have played that play and had it succeed. Nothing Hall could have done would have prevented a completion.
But obviouly some people don't agree. I'm OK ith that. |
You are right... we don't agree. Hall played that pass for the pick, which is why he bit on the headfake. He was playing to undercut the route, get the pick. It was a Meangelo play, NOT a team play. He was swinging for the fences, when all we needed was for him to put the ball in play.
A competent, disciplined DB plays that to either knock the ball down, OR make a tackle short of the first down. In that game situation, he absolutely DOES NOT surrender his cushion until that receiver is approaching the first down marker, or the ball is in the air. He NEVER lets the reciever close the cushion, nor get behind him without the ball. Now, you tell me... did he do that? |
You still don't get it do you? It doesn't matter how Hall played the play. With out safety help all Romo had to do was throw the bad to the opposites side of Bryant from wherever Hall ended up. He did that.
The only way Hall could have prevented the play was by doing exactly what you said he shouldn't have done. He jumped the route. That was the only chance he had. The pass rush should have been there when Bryant settled down in the zone. It didn't get there so Bryant turned up field.
There is no way Hall makes the play in that situation with out gambling. He gambled based on when the rush should have been there. The rush didn't get there.
If Hall had played the play the way you suggested it still would have been a completed pass for a first down. |
|
| Back to top |
|
skinsfan#33
#33
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 3875
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Countertrey wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | Hall absolutely deserves to be blown up, for failing to display very fundamental, sound cornerback play in that situation.
Haslett absolutely should have come out with a more conservative play... but, if Hall actually played as if he had a clue on that play, the game is over. Period. |
OK, I'm not getting through. There is no way any DB could have played that play and had it succeed. Nothing Hall could have done would have prevented a completion.
But obviouly some people don't agree. I'm OK ith that. |
You are right... we don't agree. Hall played that pass for the pick, which is why he bit on the headfake. He was playing to undercut the route, get the pick. It was a Meangelo play, NOT a team play. He was swinging for the fences, when all we needed was for him to put the ball in play.
A competent, disciplined DB plays that to either knock the ball down, OR make a tackle short of the first down. In that game situation, he absolutely DOES NOT surrender his cushion until that receiver is approaching the first down marker, or the ball is in the air. He NEVER lets the reciever close the cushion, nor get behind him without the ball. Now, you tell me... did he do that? |
You still don't get it do you? It doesn't matter how Hall played the play. With out safety help all Romo had to do was throw the bad to the opposites side of Bryant from wherever Hall ended up. He did that.
The only way Hall could have prevented the play was by doing exactly what you said he shouldn't have done. He jumped the route. That was the only chance he had. The pass rush should have been there when Bryant settled down in the zone. It didn't get there so Bryant turned up field.
There is no way Hall makes the play in that situation with out gambling. He gambled based on when the rush should have been there. The rush didn't get there.
If Hall had played the play the way you suggested it still would have been a completed pass for a first down. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Countertrey
the 'mudge
Joined: 09 Jan 2004
Posts: 12768
Location: Curmudgeon Corner, Maine
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I get it fine... and I know who doesn't...
If the skills of a competent cover corner had been available (Carlos Rogers, for example), that pass lands on the ground. Hall's job was to keep the play in front of him, and react when the ball was in the air. Fail. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Link
|
|
 |
skinpride1
Hog
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 1011
Location: rocky mount va.
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Brandon Meriweather is the one that has lots of talent but can he keep his act straight ? I hope coach Morris can get him to do the right thing and stay focused on football and pulling his career back together, if so we could have a pro bowl player and if not another bust at FA.
We need pro bowlers in our secondary. I also like how morris is coaching them to learn different duties in the secondary. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Kilmer72
Hog
Joined: 07 Oct 2008
Posts: 1260
Location: Midland, VA
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| skinpride1 wrote: | Brandon Meriweather is the one that has lots of talent but can he keep his act straight ? I hope coach Morris can get him to do the right thing and stay focused on football and pulling his career back together, if so we could have a pro bowl player and if not another bust at FA.
We need pro bowlers in our secondary. I also like how morris is coaching them to learn different duties in the secondary. |
I agree, both Brandon Meriweather and Morris are the ticket. Brandon just needs to keep his nose clean. |
|
| Back to top |
|
riggofan
Hog
Joined: 13 Jan 2004
Posts: 2942
Location: Montclair, Virginia
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Deadskins wrote: | | SkinsJock wrote: | I do think that Marty is a very good HC but that was not going to help much here
- short term, maybe .. but not if you have people like Dumb & Dumber in charge |
What? The first thing Marty did was fire Dumber, and he was fired himself because he wouldn't let Dumb make football decisions (at least that's what HAILSkins says Marty said was the reason for his firing, I've always thought is was because The Danny wanted to light up the scoreboard with Spurrier's fun 'n' gun ). |
Exactly! I don't see how any Skins fan can look back at Marty getting rid of Cerrato and not think, "Wow, that guy knew what he was doing."
Marty-ball definitely didn't excite the fans. And I'll be the first to admit that was a tough year. I'm also not arguing that Marty was the best coach in the world or anything. I just don't think there is any question we would have been better off with Marty and no Vinny vs. what followed instead. |
|
| Back to top |
|
ICEMAN
piggie
Joined: 09 Sep 2005
Posts: 187
Location: Wash, DC
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Countertrey wrote: | I get it fine... and I know who doesn't...
Hall's job was to keep the play in front of him, and react when the ball was in the air. Fail. |
Ok, ok, ok, okay...I'm now convinced. You just don't like DeAngelo Hall!  |
|
| Back to top |
|
skinsfan#33
#33
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 3875
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
| ICEMAN wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | I get it fine... and I know who doesn't...
Hall's job was to keep the play in front of him, and react when the ball was in the air. Fail. |
Ok, ok, ok, okay...I'm now convinced. You just don't like DeAngelo Hall! |
I know. He is killing Hall not sitting back and allowing an easy completion. Because with man coverage, no safety help, and a big WR to throw to all Romo has to do was throw the ball away from Hall. Easy peazy, like shooting ducks in a barrel.
I guess if CT wants to hate on Hall for the one play that want his fault that is on him. There are plenty of other plays to bash DH for, but that one isn't one of them.
Last edited by skinsfan#33 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:26 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
Link
|
|
|
cowboykillerzRGiii
CKRGiii
Joined: 29 Jul 2010
Posts: 3163
Location: 505 New Mexico repn
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
Shooting what?? 
Weird. |
|
| Back to top |
|
langleyparkjoe
**LPJ**
Joined: 05 Oct 2007
Posts: 5993
Location: Langley Park, MD *Tick Tock*
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
| cowboykillerzRED wrote: | Shooting what??
Weird. |
Yea, I was like..
Ducks in a pond maybe?  |
|
| Back to top |
|
Deadskins
JSPB22
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Posts: 14716
Location: Location, LOCATION!
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:40 am Post subject: |
|
|
| SF needs to take that stuff to smack. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Countertrey
the 'mudge
Joined: 09 Jan 2004
Posts: 12768
Location: Curmudgeon Corner, Maine
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Deadskins wrote: | | SF needs to take that stuff to smack. |
I'm thinking that's some big time hating... I've taken extra precautions...  |
|
| Back to top |
|
skinsfan#33
#33
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 3875
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| langleyparkjoe wrote: | | cowboykillerzRED wrote: | Shooting what??
Weird. |
Yea, I was like..
Ducks in a pond maybe? |
Yes, it was meant to be Ducks. I should really read what "Swype" thinks I'm trying to say before I post it.
I have heard it both ways Ducks or Fish.
It is illegal to shoot ducks on a pond!
Fish are much harder to hit in a barrel than ducks, but as seen in this Mythbusters clip you really dont need to hit them to kill them!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd-MpXCMcIs |
|
| Back to top |
|
Link
|
|
|
| Page 4 of 6 | All times are GMT - 5 Hours |
|
