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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject: Coughlin gets extended - are he or the giants going anywhere |
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let me start off by stating that I hate the pukes and the giants
the good news IMHO is that the giants just signed coughlin to an extension
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/19280229/twotime-super-bowl-champ-coughlin-signs-twoyear-extension-with-giants
I'm not a fan of the guy as a man ... AND ... I know that Mike's record is not there yet but IMO he's the best of the 4
1 - MS - Redskins
2 - AR - eagles
3 - TC - giants
4 - JG - pukes
just my opinion - I do agree that Mike needs to make things happen here and I think he get's the time to do it
I'll say that by the end of 2013 season - there is no doubt that we have another great HC in old DC 
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andyjens89
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Shanahan - 157-119 (.569); 8-5 (.615); 2 Super Bowl Championships
Reid - 126-81-1 (.609); 10-9 (.526); 0 Super Bowl Championships
Coughlin - 142-114 (.555); 11-7 (.611); 2 Super Bowl Championships
Garrett - 13-11 (.542); 0-0 (.000); 0 Super Bowl Championships
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andyjens89
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and just for giggles:
Gibbs - 154-94 (.621); 17-7 (.708); 3 Super Bowl Championships
The only time he ever had double-digit loss seasons were in 2004 and 2006, obviously bringing his career winning percent down. |
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langleyparkjoe
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Let's not base this convo on past jobs.. so with that said lets look at the NFC East as it really is and let's exclude Garrett.
Between the 3 coaches, Filly/NY/Skins.. shanahan is LAST!
1- Coughlin
2- Reid
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| langleyparkjoe wrote: | | Between the 3 coaches, Filly/NY/Skins.. shanahan is LAST! |
In their current job, or their careers? |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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We've all seen what's happened the past few years - the record is there - that is about to change over the next 32 regular season games
I'm predicting that by the end of 2013 it will be obvious that we have the best HC in the NFC East
There was an old saying that went something like : a good coach would win games with his players OR with your players
I do not believe that Andy, Tom or Jason could do as good a job with these players as Mike has done
this franchise was a mess with no way to make it better - I doubt that Mike would have taken the job if he knew then what he knows now
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SkinsJock
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sorry - could not delete 
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ATX_Skins
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Coughlin has to be tops in the East. "What have you done for me lately..." |
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SouthLondonRedskin
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Can you really just go by records alone???
You have to factor the circumstances the coaches find themselves in and the rosters they haveinto the equation.
On the basis that Reid has a 'Dream Team' of superstars, then how is he a better coach than Shanny...???
Would Shanny do a better job than Reid with that Eagle squad...? I believe so. Would Reid get more than 5 wins out of that Redskin team last season with all the injuries and suspensions they had...??? I don't think so.
Shanny also turned Coughlin over twice last year, so tactically maybe he has an edge there. I mean, we didn't beat them the way the cowpats beat us, we outplayed them. Twice. Hopefully we'll see next year that it was no fluke when we've improved and done them twice again even though they will be up for revenge.
And as for that lemon in Texas, forget about it! Shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as MS.
I'd stick with our guy over the other three every day of the week, but I wouldn't mind a good dose of Coughlin's luck to go with it!
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skinsfan#33
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For me it goes in this order:
#1 Cauglin - two SB on his current team, took another to AFC Championship
#2 Shanny - two SB with past team, nothing yet with new team, but building
# 3 Reid - zero SB, but tons of payoff and regular season success. However, I think he is one more bad season from saying frak this
# 4 RHSC - No success at all with a ton of talent. |
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SkinsJock
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See that's it - Coughlin's teams did win 2 .... but were they the best teams
Couhlin was very lucky to have 2 incredible plays happen at a very opportune time
last year the giants were 7-6 and really needing a win - here's the really hopeless Redskins - they lose
give me a break - if you're a really good coach you win that game
end of story
let's look at where the giants are in 2013 and where the Redskins are in the standings
I'll be here |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | For me it goes in this order:
#1 Cauglin - two SB on his current team, took another to AFC Championship
#2 Shanny - two SB with past team, nothing yet with new team, but building
# 3 Reid - zero SB, but tons of payoff and regular season success. However, I think he is one more bad season from saying frak this
# 4 RHSC - No success at all with a ton of talent. |
and where do you project the order to be at the end of 2013
I have no problem looking back and seeing what has happened 
who cares - that's done
my point is - who would you rather have as HC at the end of 2013
I think it's fairly obvious
but then - I'm biased and we do have RGIII 
there's no doubt about which team will have the best QB at the end od 2013 ....... is there |
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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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my point is - who would you rather have as HC at the end of 2013
I think it's fairly obvious
but then - I'm biased and we do have RGIII
there's no doubt about which team will have the best QB at the end od 2013 ....... is there |
Of course i would rather have MS at the end of 2013, because he is the coach now and I don't want any more coaching changes.
However, I would have rather have had TC for the past however long he had been in NY, instead of the half dozen coaches we have had.
I can't believe you said the Giants won those two SB based on two lucky plays. Yes they had two plays that were big time plays (only one I would call lucky), but that doesn't make them lucky wins. They were the better team both times they played the Patriots.
Since I'm not physic a can't say who will be the best QB in the division in 2013 but if you want me to guess I would say it will probably still be Eli. But of course I really hope it is RG3. I know it won't be Vick or Homo. |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | I can't believe you said the Giants won those two SB based on two lucky plays. Yes they had two plays that were big time plays (only one I would call lucky), but that doesn't make them lucky wins. They were the better team both times they played the Patriots. |
That's debatable, especially the first time. I think they had a very large amount of luck just to get them to the big game both times, also. Not any one play here or there, though. |
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skinsfan#33
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| Deadskins wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | I can't believe you said the Giants won those two SB based on two lucky plays. Yes they had two plays that were big time plays (only one I would call lucky), but that doesn't make them lucky wins. They were the better team both times they played the Patriots. |
That's debatable, especially the first time. I think they had a very large amount of luck just to get them to the big game both times, also. Not any one play here or there, though. |
Of course it is debatable, especially that first one, but they were the team that won. Sure they had some lucky plays, but they also had many more plays where they simply out played the Pats. Most games where teams are evenly matched the outcome comes down to a part our two.
It wasn't a fluke they beat the Pats, remember they should have or at least could have beaten the Pats the final regular season game, so they were definitely capable of beating them and didn't need to luck box into a win. |
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