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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | ... Eli is defiantly in the great category. Maybe even elite. How many QBs do you put in the great category. Is Eli top five for you. Is he top ten? I'm talking current players not all time. You could make a case he is better than his brother.
Personally, I think he is a top five QB. In no particular order you have Brady, Rodgers, Eli, Breeze, and I guess Peyton still. Yes I have Eli ahead of big Ben, Rivers, and Cutler. |
Eli is a good QB - Peyton is a great QB
that's not hating - that's a fact
there is no Breeze playing QB 
Eli is a good QB but he's not a great QB - I doubt he ever makes it to great - Peyton's a HOF QB
wait and see - I'll be happy to say I was wrong but I'll be even happier to know that Eli's not going in the HOF |
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| I'm with ya again sj... Prepared to eat crow, but pretty sure ill be cheersing rgiii with a tuducken! |
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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| SkinsJock wrote: |
Eli is a good QB - Peyton is a great QB
that's not hating - that's a fact |
Actually, that is an opinion.
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there is no Breeze playing QB |
Whatever, you know who I was referring to!
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Eli's not going in the HOF |
I wouldn't put too much money on that. If Aikman can make it on Eli certainly has a very good chance. Yes I do think Eli is better than Aikman was. |
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SkinsJock
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no worries - I doubt that many would agree with you about Eli being a better QB than Troy
Troy did have some great weapons but he deserves to be in the HOF - I doubt that Eli gets in based on what he's done
I just don't see him as being great - good yes, but not HOF ....... yet
he could surprise me - he already has |
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langleyparkjoe
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<-- with SF33 on this one.
Eli is playing GREAT football the last couple of years and he's been improving.
Peyton is not a great QB at all.
Him, Breezie, and Brady deserve a category ABOVE great.. yes, that's my opinion but I honestly believe that!!
Eli and Rogers IMO are great QBs but still a step down from the ones above. |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:21 am Post subject: |
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And this from Countertrey in another thread
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Quote from a friend who, regretably, is a Giants fan: "Don't get me wrong... I love that we won the Superbowl... but, just like the last time, the downside is that we are now stuck with Coughlin and Manning for another 2 years... again! This sucks!"
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maybe you guys are right but I'll gurantee there are a huge number of giants fans that don't like Coughlin at all
and there are a lot of giants fans that don't like Eli
I love the fact that the giants have these 2 to witness the Redskins being a better team again
it's going to happen soon  |
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you win 2 SBs wit a coach and a qb and you complain about them?
Dag, I thought OUR expectations were incredibly high!! Good grief!!  |
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SkinsJock
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the fact is that Coughlin is not highly regarded as a HC - he lost 2 games to the Redskins last season that he should not have lost - the opening game is almost a must win game and the 2nd game was a must win game they lost
that does not happen if you are a very good coach and you have the better group of players
Eli's good but he's not great and he's a bit of a crybaby
all the fans that like Coughlin and Eli are in for a little surprise - they're not closer to winning another Super Bowl - I'd rather have Mike and RGIII  |
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| It boggles my mind that when the GIANTS win we are the luckiest team in the world. Why is the same analogy given to the Patriots they won 3 Super Bowls at the last minute with field goals. In that regards, why isn't the Steelers lucky when they beat the Cards with the last minute drive and tip toe by Santonio Holmes. I understand, it's the hatred you have cause ya'll haven't won squat and bask in the glow of beating us twice. But I will give you losing twice to ya'll if it means winning more super bowls |
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Countertrey
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| Boggled minds seems to be the constant in G-strings land... |
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SkinsJock
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| Giants1977 wrote: | | It boggles my mind that when the GIANTS win we are the luckiest team in the world. Why is the same analogy given to the Patriots they won 3 Super Bowls at the last minute with field goals. In that regards, why isn't the Steelers lucky when they beat the Cards with the last minute drive and tip toe by Santonio Holmes. I understand, it's the hatred you have cause ya'll haven't won squat and bask in the glow of beating us twice. But I will give you losing twice to ya'll if it means winning more super bowls |
welcome to the best site for Redskins fans
The giants were not lucky to win the 2 games against the Patriots - they deserved to win both games
fact is they were just not the best team in the NFL in either season
The giants could win another but I doubt it will be with Coughlin
I don't know about the others here but I don't hate the giants because of their recent success
I just flat out hate the sports teams from NY especially the skankees and the giants
I don't hate Mara - he's scum - that's just a fact  |
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skinsfan#33
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fact is they were just not the best team in the NFL in either season. |
I'm sorry SJ that is an opinion, not fact.
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I don't hate Mara - he's scum - that's just a fact |
Now that is a fact! However, I do hate the cheating beady eyed bastard of a thief! I wish he and his butt buddy would GodaHell!
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SkinsJock
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actually - they're both opinions
aside from giants fans .... there are not many that would disagree
I'm not taking anything away from the 2 wins - they have the Super Bowl trophies - done deal
I'm only stirring the pot a little by pointing out that in both seasons the giants were not considered the best team in the NFL
I'm not implying they were lucky to win - they played well
that is over, past tense, history - just like the Redskins of the past 10 + years
my opinion is that the giants do not win another Super Bowl under Coughlin because he's not a great HC and Eli is just a good QB he's not a great QB
I'm glad we have Mike and RGIII - my opinion, is that over the next 3 years, both will be better than Coughlin and Eli 
btw - that's just my opinion, in case there's any doubt |
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actually - they're both opinions
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About the opinion comments I made. Obviously I knew both of your comments in the previous post were opinions - just trying to make light of the second one. Also, if you just state something like "Mara's a pud" then I obviously know that is your opinion (and I agree), but if you say something is a "fact", then you have crossed out of opinion territory. Unless, of course you say something like, "It is a fact that every Giants fan is compensating for their Mike and Ike sized wedding tackle and are upset about having blue testicles". That I would just take as a joke.
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I'm not taking anything away from the 2 wins - they have the Super Bowl trophies - done deal
I'm only stirring the pot a little by pointing out that in both seasons the giants were not considered the best team in the NFL
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I would agree with that DURING the season, but by the time the SB's rolled around I would think that many would have to agree that if not the best, they were one of the best.
Weren't they favored for the last SB? 
And didn't they almost break up the Pats 16-0 run in week 17 of the 2007 season? They had the Patsies on the ropes and they were furtunate to pull out the win. Then the Giants completely dominated them (defensively) in the SB.
I think the team playing the best football at the end of both of those seasons won the SBs.
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my opinion is that the giants do not win another Super Bowl under Coughlin because he's not a great HC and Eli is just a good QB he's not a great QB |
I have to disagree with your assessment of ELI! That is hard for me to say since he is a Giant and looks like one of Jerry's kids sometimes when things don't go right.
To me he is a top five QB. Maybe we don't have any great QBs in the NFL any more, but he is right up there with his brother (now with age and bum neck on his shoulders), he is at least as good as Brees and Rodgers, close to Brady, and better than all the rest.
You probably will be right about the Giants and Coughlin (that just odds, nothing else)!
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I'm glad we have Mike and RGIII - my opinion, is that over the next 3 years, both will be better than Coughlin and Eli |
I hope you're right, but I would settle for just as good. |
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