[Redskin in Canada]

Whoever deleted my post could have sent this stupid thread to smack as kindly requested.

Way to go.

[Irn-Bru]

[Redskin in Canada]

Has anybody seen sick POSTS ... (more details in the smack thread)

... DESPERATELY SEEKING ATTENTION???

Do not do the honour to oblige them with a RESPONSE

Thank you for your cooperation.

[Redskin in Canada]

[rskin72]

After reading this a couple of times I am again reminded of just how much time and effort you will devote to a team that, by your own words, you do not like/follow/support anymore. While there are some statements that are true (i.e. w/l records), there are many more suppositions drawn from faulty logic…..or the mere premise to try and tweak those of us who come to a Redskins homer website to discuss the team we support in friendly confines. While we may disagree on various Redskin related issues, we are still united in the desire to see our team succeed, and return to glory.

I would dispute your first premise, the definition of overrated. I fail to see how a HOF coach with a winning pct of .621 (.674 if you take away his record when he returned in 04)….which is higher than either Walsh or Parcells…. with 3 SB rings and a 4th trip to the SB, …with three different starting QB’s…could be even in the conversation as overrated. Is Phil Jackson overrated because he only won with “star players”? Is Bill Walsh overrated because he only won with Joe Montana….after all, Walsh had a losing record with the 49er’s prior to the 81 season when Montana started all 16 games? Overrated to me implies someone or something that is highly touted, but consistently fails to live up to expectations. Since the expectation of a NFL franchise is to make it to the playoffs, then to the SB, and to ultimately win the SB, I would say that Joe Gibbs met and exceeded expectations. I can provide some examples that I would classify as overrated…such as the Dallas Cowboys teams of the past decade, Norv Turner, Tony Romo, Steve Spurrier as a NFL coach, Pete Carrol as a NFL coach…sure others on this board can come up with other pertinent examples.

I also love how you seem to consider the strike shortened seasons as some type of advantage for the Redskins over other teams. Each team had the same problem set during a strike season. How is it that the same organizations that could put together multiple SB winning teams in the 80’s like the 49ers and the Giants were suddenly inept for a strike shortened season? For example, in ’87 the Giants were just coming off of a 14-2 season in ’86 and a SB victory...so I fail to see how the Redskins were at a competitive advantage there. In 87, the 49er’s had a better regular season record than the Redskins at 13-2, but LOST to the Vikings in the playoffs, a team that the Redskins beat on their way to a SB triumph. Oh, by the way, that Vikings team was a wild card entry, and was 8-7 during the regular season. Bottom line is that you play with the cards that you are dealt. It is neither the Redskins nor Joe Gibbs fault that those strikes happened….but you chose to give the other teams/coaches a free pass for those two seasons while holding it against Joe Gibbs.

Same rational holds true WRT salary cap….or the lack therein…back in the 80’s. Just like today, every team played under the same rules. Let’s take one year in example, 1987, where the Skins roster was 19th for average salary that season (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1360126.html) You say it was wide knowledge that the Redskins had a larger budget that other teams….citing the Eagles as an example of who we outspent….but you fail to provide references for your assertions. And, based on your prior arguments, why bring up the Eagles….I would ask how did we spend as compared with other winning organizations at the time? It appears that you conveniently forget about Eddie DeBartolo Jr., owner of the 49ers…..he spent a lot of money on his team/organization as evidenced by this paragraph http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/sports/football/49ers-remind-san-francisco-of-glory-years.html?pagewanted=all

“DeBartolo gave it to them. In the days before the salary cap, he provided Walsh with an embarrassment of talent, including, at one point, three All-Pro nose guards. He flew the team on a private plane and gave players’ wives necklaces after Super Bowl triumphs. “

Also, this article provides insight that, again in ’87, the Giants and 49ers spent more in player salaries than did the Redskins….though you would appear correct about the Eagles being outspent by us.
http://articles.mcall.com/1987-02-15/sports/2563787_1_base-salary-average-salary-average-base

This “level playing field” argument is baseless as well. Each team has always played under the same set of league rules. If some teams decided to spend more on player salaries to improve their team vice owners pocketing a larger share of the profits…then that was a decision of the team’s owner. And, as it has been well documented, just because a team owner spends money does not ensure success…..just look at the Redskins over the past few seasons.

The argument of who the Redskins beat in the playoffs back in the 80’s is also a meaningless point as we did not pick our opponents….the record and seeding provided that pairing. Maybe Walsh and Parcells are overrated because their teams lost to inferior competition many times, so more playoff meetings between those teams and the Redskins were not possible…..Heck, Walsh was one and done for 3 straight seasons from 85 – 87. Also, Gibbs took his teams to more playoff games than either Walsh or Parcells and had a higher playoff winning percentage than Parcells…..would have had a higher percentage than Walsh as well if we take out his second stint as a Redskin head coach and compare his record in the 80’s only. Also…that 17-0 loss that the Redskins had to the Giants in 86 that you mention…well, those same Giants smoked Walsh and the 49ers 49 – 3.

Finally, Gibbs HAS been judged, and found worthy, by the HOF voters. So….if you want to debate as to which coach was BETTER, then we can have a civil discussion about that topic. But, as to if a legend (Joe Gibbs) is overrated….well…..that argument holds no water, and you have provided little to no actual evidence to the contrary other than head to head records between Walsh, Gibbs and Parcells.


And....yes....I was bored at work today.....

[ATX_Skins]

^^ Jesus dude, you should publish that novel.

[rskin72]

[ATX_Skins]

[Hooligan]

[fetus]

Idiot

[the poster]

[BigRedskinDaddy]

UH-huh...

I will grace this lunacy with this post and nothing more. I am not the most troll-sensitive cat on the interwebz, but all I had to do was eyeball the thread title and I needed to read no more.

Oh, and just to stay on point (if the OP actually had one): NO, JG is not the most overrated coach of all time. If anything he's underrated. He won THREE Lombardi's with THREE very different squads. The one key ingredient in them all: his consummate ability to gameplan to his team's strengths and minimize opponents' opportunities to exploit their weaknesses, if they had any. There's a reason he's the only HC in history - and almost certainly always will be - to win 3 Super Bowls with 3 different starting QB's.

It's because the man could flat out coach.
Here endeth the lesson. Thanks for playing. We've got some lovely parting gifts for you in the green room -


EDIT: To 'the poster.' Your style reads very much like a good friend of mine on another site; your approach is to try to deconstruct the post you are responding to in something like a classical verbal debate, where both sides discuss talking points in fine detail.


...Oldfan, is that you?
<shakes head>
Nah...couldn't be...

[BigRedskinDaddy]

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I still am squinting at this baby of a girl prick.... He say......... I say . Shee say he gay, and I still wonder is this a faaaan... Is this a shemannn.


Yup. F her

[langleyparkjoe]